| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? 23:15 - Aug 12 with 3813 views | HammersmithR |
We keep hearing the word ‘project’. What exactly is the project? Is is simply to play Nourry’s players that his computer has identified. Younger the better? And this is irrespective of how the actual team performs? If this is the case, then the fans will lose patience very quickly. Football is a results business. No one has explained the definition of Nourry’s project. Really struggling to warm to the guy. It’s like he’s using the club for his version of Football Manager. Stephan is clearly being told by above what to do and who should play. |  | | |  |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 23:28 - Aug 12 with 2311 views | DannyPaddox |
The first rule of ‘Project’ club is you do not say what the ‘project’ is. This gives you a competitive advantage. |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 23:38 - Aug 12 with 2254 views | HAMRanger |
How do you know that Stephan is being told who should play? |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 23:39 - Aug 12 with 2235 views | JamesB1979 |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 23:38 - Aug 12 by HAMRanger |
How do you know that Stephan is being told who should play? |
Nourry is still making Marti play 4231 at Leicester 😂 | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 23:40 - Aug 12 with 2225 views | vanrrrr |
Well, I think he has explained it in his own way!! But it is to be a development club and being the best at bringing through young players. Selling them on and repeating that every season ( as opposed to the once a decade Eze deal).
May not work as the champo is not an easy place to develop but if it does it is way to try and overcome our other issues ( ground and revenue) to get self sustaining and challenge at the top end. Lord knows we need to try something else we will end up going further down the pyramid… gonna be hard!
My take anyway. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 23:43 - Aug 12 with 2187 views | HAMRanger |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 23:39 - Aug 12 by JamesB1979 |
Nourry is still making Marti play 4231 at Leicester 😂 |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 23:48 - Aug 12 with 2139 views | ozexile |
It involves not winning football matches. Come aboard. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 23:48 - Aug 12 with 2134 views | HAMRanger |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 23:38 - Aug 12 by HAMRanger |
How do you know that Stephan is being told who should play? |
I think its's fecking hilarious that my post has been disliked cos I asked a question! Brilliant.  | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 00:00 - Aug 13 with 2074 views | nix |
You haven't exactly got a record of supporting anything the club does. You couldn't stand Les and Hoos too.
It's difficult to take seriously a post from someone who has posted almost universally negatively about everything in the club and most of the players for years. |  | | |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 06:15 - Aug 13 with 1817 views | HammersmithR |
Not true. Les was naive and generally meant well. He simply wasn’t up to the job in my opinion. Think there were better people out there for the job. I think on the whole Lee has done a pretty good job sound job. He had a big job dealing wish the fall out of our financial issues. We are on a better footing now because of him. Somethings could have been done better that’s for sure. As for Nourry the jury is out. Football is a results business. We have been dumped out of the cup. Please don’t tell me that Stephan hasn’t been told to play all these youth teamers. Looks at all the clubs in the Premiership. They blood youth teamers alongside experienced players. Those poor players were thrown to the wolves last night. Now they’re out the cup. Unless they get a loan move they’ll be playing Under 21 football for the next few months. So what is the project? I’m still none the wiser. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 07:17 - Aug 13 with 1710 views | ChrisNW6 |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 06:15 - Aug 13 by HammersmithR |
Not true. Les was naive and generally meant well. He simply wasn’t up to the job in my opinion. Think there were better people out there for the job. I think on the whole Lee has done a pretty good job sound job. He had a big job dealing wish the fall out of our financial issues. We are on a better footing now because of him. Somethings could have been done better that’s for sure. As for Nourry the jury is out. Football is a results business. We have been dumped out of the cup. Please don’t tell me that Stephan hasn’t been told to play all these youth teamers. Looks at all the clubs in the Premiership. They blood youth teamers alongside experienced players. Those poor players were thrown to the wolves last night. Now they’re out the cup. Unless they get a loan move they’ll be playing Under 21 football for the next few months. So what is the project? I’m still none the wiser. |
Have you watched the fans forum and other CN interviews?
Thought it was pretty clear what the club's ethos and 'project' is. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:00 - Aug 13 with 1627 views | BushRanger82 |
I think the project they keep banging on about is this, put all our eggs in one basket, primarily, seek promotion to the Premiership, and cling to our place in the top division by our fingernails.
Meanwhile, kiss off every cup competition we enter, because promotion is No.1, or if we're in the Premier league, trying to keep our place will take priority.
This has been the project for the last 20 or so years, and I'm heartily sick of it.
This morning I go into work to a chorus of mocking ridicule. As I have done now for more years than I care to remember, after a cup match.
I'm not sure I can keep on splashing out money on following this shower of shit we call a football club. |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:04 - Aug 13 with 1621 views | nix |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 06:15 - Aug 13 by HammersmithR |
Not true. Les was naive and generally meant well. He simply wasn’t up to the job in my opinion. Think there were better people out there for the job. I think on the whole Lee has done a pretty good job sound job. He had a big job dealing wish the fall out of our financial issues. We are on a better footing now because of him. Somethings could have been done better that’s for sure. As for Nourry the jury is out. Football is a results business. We have been dumped out of the cup. Please don’t tell me that Stephan hasn’t been told to play all these youth teamers. Looks at all the clubs in the Premiership. They blood youth teamers alongside experienced players. Those poor players were thrown to the wolves last night. Now they’re out the cup. Unless they get a loan move they’ll be playing Under 21 football for the next few months. So what is the project? I’m still none the wiser. |
It's absolutely true that you've been consistntly negative about the club, the board, the players. Point me to some positive posts of yours. If you find some it's overwhelmingly outnumbered by slagging everything off. Not even any attempt at nuance and balance.
People keep repeating 'football is a results business' as if they've discovered the strhucture of DNA. Of course it is but it's also increasingly these days about maximising scarce resources, and building over time, at least if you're a smaller club like ours. The season we were spunking millions on Julio Cesar and Rob Green in the same squad Brentford were starting their project in League 1. They lost their first game of the season after a mass clear out of expensive old players and didn't come good until October that season. They ended up being promoted starting their path to sustainability in the Prem. We meanwhile spent millions on flashy toys with no resale value and ended up broke and still in the Championship.
I thought we were doing that under Les but then we find out we spent so much money on Austin and Johanssen one season that we barely squeaked through FFP for the following two seasons, stuffing our chance to build any kind of squad for ages. That was because they listened to a fanbase that demanded short-term results over long term improvement.
If you're not more excited by Burrell over a lumbering second time around, sitting in the stands Austin, Varane over a walking red card Colback, passionate, physical Mbengue over Christmas in Dubai Joel Lynch, 19 year old ex-Spurs Kieran Morgan over 27 year old lightweight ex-Spurs Tom Carroll then I don't know what to tell you.
Of course there are issues: injuries is a massive one. Getting the balance right is another one. We desperately need Dunne, JCS, Frey back to provide some experience. Or some experienced loans like the Hayden one.
BUT it's not even two matches in the Championship season and you're blathering on about results. We've literally played one Championship match that we drew.
And as for the latest slur that Stephan is a puppet, couldn't it just be that a manager with a record of bringing on and developing young players is excited about the prospect of bringing on and developing new players. And that maybe he thinks two matches in is a bit early to throw in the towel. [Post edited 13 Aug 8:06]
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:13 - Aug 13 with 1552 views | Burnleyhoop |
Projects by their very nature have a starting point and an end point with key milestones along the way. It is my understanding that this is a five year plan to to establish a strong youth development structure to facilitate a production line of youth team players that can initially integrate into the first team squad and then play in the first team. Once those milestones are achieved, we become a selling club of young talent that we have always strived to be, but with minimal success. Financially self sustaining is the ultimate goal.
This strategy was implemented at some stage last season with the release of many existing development players and the acquisition of new ones. I don’t have a problem with any of this and fully agree in principle with the project.
However, losing a cup game in the manner we did last night was totally unnecessary and achieved very little IMO. A few of the youngsters stood up to the challenge, but some looked demoralised by it. Removing Burrell at half time killed it for us, but the introduction of 4 first team players would have got us over the line for a much needed cup victory. I suspect Nourry and ST don’t fully understand or appreciate the depth of feeling the fans have with our shocking record in cup competitions.
The supporters desperately needed a win. The management were clearly not that bothered and probably felt more games in cup competitions were the last thing we needed considering our ongoing farcical position with injuries to the first team.
Disappointed, but if we have signed Kone, at least the we have progress with the development of the first team, which at this early point of the project is good to see.
It’s still very early days, get a grip of your shit. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:15 - Aug 13 with 1538 views | nix |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:13 - Aug 13 by Burnleyhoop |
Projects by their very nature have a starting point and an end point with key milestones along the way. It is my understanding that this is a five year plan to to establish a strong youth development structure to facilitate a production line of youth team players that can initially integrate into the first team squad and then play in the first team. Once those milestones are achieved, we become a selling club of young talent that we have always strived to be, but with minimal success. Financially self sustaining is the ultimate goal.
This strategy was implemented at some stage last season with the release of many existing development players and the acquisition of new ones. I don’t have a problem with any of this and fully agree in principle with the project.
However, losing a cup game in the manner we did last night was totally unnecessary and achieved very little IMO. A few of the youngsters stood up to the challenge, but some looked demoralised by it. Removing Burrell at half time killed it for us, but the introduction of 4 first team players would have got us over the line for a much needed cup victory. I suspect Nourry and ST don’t fully understand or appreciate the depth of feeling the fans have with our shocking record in cup competitions.
The supporters desperately needed a win. The management were clearly not that bothered and probably felt more games in cup competitions were the last thing we needed considering our ongoing farcical position with injuries to the first team.
Disappointed, but if we have signed Kone, at least the we have progress with the development of the first team, which at this early point of the project is good to see.
It’s still very early days, get a grip of your shit. |
Now THAT is a fair, well argued and conpletely justifiable post. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:18 - Aug 13 with 1517 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 07:17 - Aug 13 by ChrisNW6 |
Have you watched the fans forum and other CN interviews?
Thought it was pretty clear what the club's ethos and 'project' is. |
I do think the notion of having an emphasis on youth development is solid. However, the key is to transition from DS football to the mans game.
In my view, that's done through: blooding off the bench; playing in end of season games; and, crucially, loans! Throw a team of kids together, because that's what they were, up against a team of men (albeit they had 'some' kids playing) is fraught with danger.
Some will undoubtedly benefit from last night's experience, especially if they can now go out on good loans. But some won't. However, my beef with it are: what message is this sending out? Equally, squandering the opportunity to progress in a cup with the possibility of, dare I say it, a bit of glory and income for a club like QPR, is poor stuff from us. |  |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:44 - Aug 13 with 1416 views | Northolt_Rs |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:15 - Aug 13 by nix |
Now THAT is a fair, well argued and conpletely justifiable post. |
There’s no pride in our club. Last night was a massive pisstake to the 1000 Rs fans who made the journey down to Devon on a Tuesday night. The very least the club could do is compensate them now or to have told us all up front the development squad will be playing. If we lose on Saturday at Watford people will already be calling for the manager’s head. Pisspoor all round. |  |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:48 - Aug 13 with 1393 views | JamesB1979 |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:44 - Aug 13 by Northolt_Rs |
There’s no pride in our club. Last night was a massive pisstake to the 1000 Rs fans who made the journey down to Devon on a Tuesday night. The very least the club could do is compensate them now or to have told us all up front the development squad will be playing. If we lose on Saturday at Watford people will already be calling for the manager’s head. Pisspoor all round. |
No one of sound mind is going to be calling for a managers head after 3 games. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:12 - Aug 13 with 1286 views | stantheman10 |
I would imagine the project comes from far higher up than Nourry ie Ruben who is trying to get back some of the £2 million a month he's ploughing in to the club and the only realistic way he's going to recoup any of that is by developing youngsters and selling them for large amounts of money as opposed to the chances of us reaching the premier league 'promised land'. The only way these youngsters are going to develop is to play them and give them first team experience. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:24 - Aug 13 with 1230 views | HammersmithR |
You can read through many of my messages. I’ll give praise when it’s due and I will be critical when I feel I need to be. I like the majority of Rangers fans want what’s best for the club. The handling of those players yesterday was not right in my opinion. Do I feel like many Rangers fans that the new manager is some kind of puppet for Nourry then the evidence looks pretty clear to me at the moment. There’s no way in 6 weeks in a job that Stephan would have known enough to chuck those players out there last night. This clubs needs to progress. We can’t simply keep aiming to stay up every season. We are Queen’s Park Rangers. Look at our cup record in the last 30 years. It’s beyond embarrassing. Last time I saw us in the QF of the FA Cup was at Old Trafford in 1995!!! A generation of fans have never seen us past the 4th round of the FA Cup. Please don’t tell me that’s acceptable. Both Warburton and Marti were sacked because they didn’t tow the party line. Early evidence is showing that Stephan is towing the line. But we know if results don’t go our way then fans will start to get frustrated. That’s normal. I’ll be there on Saturday and I’ll be there at Coventry etc. The team will always have my support but if I think the board are not doing things right then I will certainly say what I think which we as fans are all entitled to. | | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:30 - Aug 13 with 1182 views | WokingR |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:04 - Aug 13 by nix |
It's absolutely true that you've been consistntly negative about the club, the board, the players. Point me to some positive posts of yours. If you find some it's overwhelmingly outnumbered by slagging everything off. Not even any attempt at nuance and balance.
People keep repeating 'football is a results business' as if they've discovered the strhucture of DNA. Of course it is but it's also increasingly these days about maximising scarce resources, and building over time, at least if you're a smaller club like ours. The season we were spunking millions on Julio Cesar and Rob Green in the same squad Brentford were starting their project in League 1. They lost their first game of the season after a mass clear out of expensive old players and didn't come good until October that season. They ended up being promoted starting their path to sustainability in the Prem. We meanwhile spent millions on flashy toys with no resale value and ended up broke and still in the Championship.
I thought we were doing that under Les but then we find out we spent so much money on Austin and Johanssen one season that we barely squeaked through FFP for the following two seasons, stuffing our chance to build any kind of squad for ages. That was because they listened to a fanbase that demanded short-term results over long term improvement.
If you're not more excited by Burrell over a lumbering second time around, sitting in the stands Austin, Varane over a walking red card Colback, passionate, physical Mbengue over Christmas in Dubai Joel Lynch, 19 year old ex-Spurs Kieran Morgan over 27 year old lightweight ex-Spurs Tom Carroll then I don't know what to tell you.
Of course there are issues: injuries is a massive one. Getting the balance right is another one. We desperately need Dunne, JCS, Frey back to provide some experience. Or some experienced loans like the Hayden one.
BUT it's not even two matches in the Championship season and you're blathering on about results. We've literally played one Championship match that we drew.
And as for the latest slur that Stephan is a puppet, couldn't it just be that a manager with a record of bringing on and developing young players is excited about the prospect of bringing on and developing new players. And that maybe he thinks two matches in is a bit early to throw in the towel. [Post edited 13 Aug 8:06]
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This is my 'Post of the Year' so far.
Absolutely spot on. |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:31 - Aug 13 with 1164 views | wombat |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 08:48 - Aug 13 by JamesB1979 |
No one of sound mind is going to be calling for a managers head after 3 games. |
thats true ive got the 7th game in my calender to get the pitchforks out .
its makes no diff Belk will get the boot first , Then the manager , then ben williams at the end . the puppett master will remain in his ivory tower long after they leave the building. |  |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:40 - Aug 13 with 1086 views | Northolt_Rs |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:12 - Aug 13 by stantheman10 |
I would imagine the project comes from far higher up than Nourry ie Ruben who is trying to get back some of the £2 million a month he's ploughing in to the club and the only realistic way he's going to recoup any of that is by developing youngsters and selling them for large amounts of money as opposed to the chances of us reaching the premier league 'promised land'. The only way these youngsters are going to develop is to play them and give them first team experience. |
Agreed but last night wasn’t just blooding a few youngsters. It was a pisstake to all of us who made that fkn journey. | |
| Scooters, Tunes, Trainers and QPR. |
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:43 - Aug 13 with 1063 views | NorthantsHoop |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 09:30 - Aug 13 by WokingR |
This is my 'Post of the Year' so far.
Absolutely spot on. |
I took two things from last night, one Burrell looks a really good prospect and should go straight in the forward line at Watford and that Vale is developing well. Some of the youngsters did look a little lost and surprisingly Nardi in the 2nd half was flapping a bit, maybe persevering with Walsh is a good plan. |  | | |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 10:11 - Aug 13 with 988 views | Juzzie |
IMO it involves making money. Winning football matches is just the thing that facilitates that. [Post edited 13 Aug 10:15]
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| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 10:14 - Aug 13 with 974 views | Juzzie |
| The ‘project’…please enlighten me? on 23:48 - Aug 12 by ozexile |
It involves not winning football matches. Come aboard. |
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