| Freedom vs "security" 09:20 - Aug 13 with 919 views | saint901 |
The police have just been given more powers to use facial recognition technology to trace and presumably arrest suspects and those who have breached their release conditions.
According to the BBC, this technology resulted in 580 suspects being detained in London in the last period reported on. This included 50+ sex offenders who had breached their release rules.
There is one argument that says the use of such technology without the permission of those being filmed, is an unwarranted intrusion on our freedoms and allows the "state" to use that information for purposes unknown. As such, it is an unwanted and unwelcome intrusion.
On the other side is an argument that if you have done nothing wring, then you have no concerns and that any technology that takes criminals and potential criminals off the streets has to be welcomed as it makes the rest of us safer.
I have to say I'm not convinced that identifying those who may be guilty (or suspected of being guilty) of minor crimes which would bring perhaps a caution, several hours of wasted time all round and then back on the street, is sensible. It may even be that this "reason" is in fact hiding a darker truth? |  | | |  |
| Freedom vs on 10:19 - Aug 13 with 839 views | 1885_SFC |
Talking of Trump - he's going to be extremely annoyed on Friday after talks with the short-arsed little sh1t Putin and no doubt he'll take it out on Zelensky. Trump will do his best to sell Ukraine down the river. The whole of Europe knows it - and so does Zelensky of course. Putin will give up nothing & continue his war against Ukraine no matter the costs. For Europe it's all about peace and ending the war. For Trump, it's all about him winning that Nobel Peace Prize. |  |
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| Freedom vs "security" on 12:31 - Aug 13 with 776 views | arfurdent |
The reality has always been that The Establishment regards you of guilty until proven innocent, unless you are mega-rich |  |
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| Freedom vs on 13:06 - Aug 13 with 749 views | kingslandstand1 |
| Freedom vs on 10:19 - Aug 13 by 1885_SFC |
Talking of Trump - he's going to be extremely annoyed on Friday after talks with the short-arsed little sh1t Putin and no doubt he'll take it out on Zelensky. Trump will do his best to sell Ukraine down the river. The whole of Europe knows it - and so does Zelensky of course. Putin will give up nothing & continue his war against Ukraine no matter the costs. For Europe it's all about peace and ending the war. For Trump, it's all about him winning that Nobel Peace Prize. |
Pretty well sums it up. And then Starmer will want to get involved and he'll probably offer more of Ukraine than Putin already occupies at the moment for a promise that he'll be a good boy from now on! |  |
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| Freedom vs on 13:35 - Aug 13 with 723 views | 1885_SFC |
| Freedom vs on 13:06 - Aug 13 by kingslandstand1 |
Pretty well sums it up. And then Starmer will want to get involved and he'll probably offer more of Ukraine than Putin already occupies at the moment for a promise that he'll be a good boy from now on! |
Starmer is a weak, clueless PM. He's shown that numerous times already on various issues.
My bet is that after Putin has played Trump yet again, with much joy, sniggering & laughter back in the Kremlin afterwards, Trump will blame Zelensky in the phone call afterwards & once again, withhold vital arms & military equipment to Ukraine because Zelensky said "no" to just handing over vast swathes of his country to the commie shortarse. Putin will double his efforts after the talks & Ukraine will suffer even more than it is now. Trump, being Trump, will claim that Zelensky has brought this all upon himself - saying that "He'd negotiated a terrific deal - but Zelensky wouldn't play ball". Cue "no cards to play" etc etc.
Starmer, in the meantime, won't want to upset dear old Donnie & will do what he always does - sit on the fence with his arse full of splinters. | |
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| Freedom vs on 14:00 - Aug 13 with 703 views | saintmark1976 |
| Freedom vs on 13:35 - Aug 13 by 1885_SFC |
Starmer is a weak, clueless PM. He's shown that numerous times already on various issues.
My bet is that after Putin has played Trump yet again, with much joy, sniggering & laughter back in the Kremlin afterwards, Trump will blame Zelensky in the phone call afterwards & once again, withhold vital arms & military equipment to Ukraine because Zelensky said "no" to just handing over vast swathes of his country to the commie shortarse. Putin will double his efforts after the talks & Ukraine will suffer even more than it is now. Trump, being Trump, will claim that Zelensky has brought this all upon himself - saying that "He'd negotiated a terrific deal - but Zelensky wouldn't play ball". Cue "no cards to play" etc etc.
Starmer, in the meantime, won't want to upset dear old Donnie & will do what he always does - sit on the fence with his arse full of splinters. |
I very much hope that I am wrong but I can’t see Trump making any useful progress against Putin.
Hasn’t it long been suggested that Putin has evidence of certain elements of Trump’s pre political career behaviour which if made public wouldn’t necessarily be beneficial to his current occupation ? | |
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| Freedom vs on 14:16 - Aug 13 with 688 views | 1885_SFC |
| Freedom vs on 14:00 - Aug 13 by saintmark1976 |
I very much hope that I am wrong but I can’t see Trump making any useful progress against Putin.
Hasn’t it long been suggested that Putin has evidence of certain elements of Trump’s pre political career behaviour which if made public wouldn’t necessarily be beneficial to his current occupation ? |
Couple that with the 2019 scandal where Donald Trump attempted to coerce Ukraine into investigating his political rival Joe Biden and there's no wonder Trump has little time for Zelensky...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal | |
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| Freedom vs "security" on 14:16 - Aug 13 with 688 views | saint901 |
Yes, the USA is going full fat despot. | | | |
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| Freedom vs "security" on 14:33 - Aug 13 with 669 views | Heisenberg |
In 2003 protestors broke into an army base with the aim to stop arms being flown to the Iraq war. In court the defence successfully argued it was an act of conscience and part of a peaceful democratic protest. Human rights lawyer Keir Starmer defended them
2025 - Over 700 people arrested, many of them pensioners, for holding a placard or wearing a T shirt. The same Keir Starmer proclaiming them as terrorists.
The attack on our rights and the right to peaceful protest is unprecedented. |  |
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| Freedom vs "security" on 14:54 - Aug 13 with 641 views | saintmark1976 |
| Freedom vs "security" on 14:33 - Aug 13 by Heisenberg |
In 2003 protestors broke into an army base with the aim to stop arms being flown to the Iraq war. In court the defence successfully argued it was an act of conscience and part of a peaceful democratic protest. Human rights lawyer Keir Starmer defended them
2025 - Over 700 people arrested, many of them pensioners, for holding a placard or wearing a T shirt. The same Keir Starmer proclaiming them as terrorists.
The attack on our rights and the right to peaceful protest is unprecedented. |
Yep, and today’s B B C news tells us that a further Five Police Forces including Hampshire are going to routinely use Facial Recognition Cameras but with “ safeguards “.
Let’s all hope that their “ safeguards” are rather better than those in force prior to the time leading up to Constable Wayne Couzens and David Carrick’s recent convictions.
George Orwell’s 1984 appears to have been well ahead of it’s time. | |
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| Freedom vs "security" on 15:34 - Aug 13 with 607 views | mushinexile |
Rigorous safeguards. For them, not for us. | |
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| Freedom vs "security" on 16:57 - Aug 13 with 553 views | DorsetIan |
It's absolutely no wonder that Jelly and hundred's of thousands of Americans think that the UK no longer has freedom of speech when over 500+ are arrested for holding placards.
And the difference with Russia is that most of these people will be released without charge, possible with comp for wrongful arrest, rather than ending up in a Gulag, but even so.
Such a stupid set of decisions by Yvette Cooper and the police. | |
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| Freedom vs "security" on 18:48 - Aug 13 with 497 views | UTS1885 |
Dont let le tissier see that  |  | | |
| Freedom vs "security" on 21:21 - Aug 13 with 458 views | Southamptonfan |
This is BigBrother and he's becoming more and more intrusive. As soon as criminals find out about this, they will just wear a covid mask and / or avoid certain areas, so that they aren't captured. It's just a lazy way of working, because the technology does all the work. It enables officers to sit in a portable office all day until the technology recognises someone, which I doubt it will, as criminals will just walk the other way. Meanwhile can we trust the authorities to keep our data safe?
Nowadays, my phone seems to know everywhere I go. I walk in a shop or a football stadium, and receive an email the next day asking me about my experience! This has happened a few times at football grounds. But where does this information go? If ever you buy something, they want all your details. It feels like someone somewhere is watching me constantly.
As for arresting people for holding up placards, it's no different here to Russia. And that's a worry. [Post edited 13 Aug 21:26]
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| Freedom vs "security" on 09:11 - Aug 14 with 319 views | saint901 |
The erosion of civil liberty rights - face recognition cameras is just one example - is a worry.
In Russia the consequences are, as pointed out above, likely be arrest, falling down the stairs at the police station, a show trial, several years in a prison and perhaps execution by inmates on the orders of the authorities.
In the USA the consequences are a withdrawal of funding, arrest, a criminal record which makes getting a job difficult, denied access to any welfare, perhaps deportation if your great grandfather came from elsewhere.
In the UK, perhaps a caution on your record and a brief moment of fame on TV.
We are a long way from Russia/USA but we're on that path.
Where we differ is perhaps that we have laws about protest and support of "terrorist" organisations which are often introduced at the last minute when our politicians wake up to an inconvenience or threat. IN Russia and increasingly in the USA these restrictions of freedom are deliberate and part of carefully thought out policy. | | | |
| Freedom vs "security" on 12:13 - Aug 14 with 274 views | arfurdent |
| Freedom vs "security" on 09:11 - Aug 14 by saint901 |
The erosion of civil liberty rights - face recognition cameras is just one example - is a worry.
In Russia the consequences are, as pointed out above, likely be arrest, falling down the stairs at the police station, a show trial, several years in a prison and perhaps execution by inmates on the orders of the authorities.
In the USA the consequences are a withdrawal of funding, arrest, a criminal record which makes getting a job difficult, denied access to any welfare, perhaps deportation if your great grandfather came from elsewhere.
In the UK, perhaps a caution on your record and a brief moment of fame on TV.
We are a long way from Russia/USA but we're on that path.
Where we differ is perhaps that we have laws about protest and support of "terrorist" organisations which are often introduced at the last minute when our politicians wake up to an inconvenience or threat. IN Russia and increasingly in the USA these restrictions of freedom are deliberate and part of carefully thought out policy. |
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| Freedom vs "security" on 13:21 - Aug 14 with 228 views | HaroldKSteptoe |
Don’t bother me I’m not a gangster. Strange to have face recognition when government to scared to ban face coverings. If I did decide to become a part time murderer though I’d just wear a burka. | | | |
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