| Taxi for Marti 21:57 - Aug 13 with 7222 views | stowmarketrange |
Lost on pens at Huddersfield. |  | | |  |
| Taxi for Marti on 09:41 - Aug 14 with 2449 views | ChrisNW6 |
| Taxi for Marti on 09:00 - Aug 14 by CamberleyR |
I don't think that's the case. The European place would go to the next team not in Europe in the Premier League table. The League Cup winners also go into the Conference League and not the Europa League like the FA Cup winners.
It's similar to how we got into Europe after the 1983-84 season by finishing 5th which normally wouldn't have qualified us (only 2nd 3rd and 4th in the league) but did in our case. Liverpool won the league and the league cup so their European place for winning the league cup went to us in 5th. |
Thanks for clarifying 😂 |  | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 09:46 - Aug 14 with 2444 views | stowmarketrange |
| Taxi for Marti on 09:39 - Aug 14 by stantheman10 |
There's a lot more money playing in the Champions League than there is in winning the league cup! |
They finished 8 points clear of the team in 6th,and with their vastly superior GD probably 9 points.Would it have damaged Arteta’s reputation too much by finishing 3rd or 4th but reaching a cup final? | | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 09:49 - Aug 14 with 2407 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Taxi for Marti on 09:39 - Aug 14 by stantheman10 |
There's a lot more money playing in the Champions League than there is in winning the league cup! |
"Although the League Cup is one of the four domestic trophies attainable by English league teams, it is regarded as of lower prestige than the league title or the FA Cup.[2] League Cup winners receive £100,000 prize money (awarded by the Football League) with the runners-up receiving £50,000, considered relatively insignificant to top-flight teams, compared to the £2 million prize money of the FA Cup, which is in turn eclipsed by the Premier League's television money (awarded on final league position) and consequent participation in the Champions League.[3][4]"
-- bit different to the Champions League
"Every club that qualifies earns an automatic £15.7m - even if they lose every game and go out at the league phase" |  | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 09:53 - Aug 14 with 2370 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Taxi for Marti on 09:46 - Aug 14 by stowmarketrange |
They finished 8 points clear of the team in 6th,and with their vastly superior GD probably 9 points.Would it have damaged Arteta’s reputation too much by finishing 3rd or 4th but reaching a cup final? |
Premier League champions, Liverpool - £174.9m
2nd, Arsenal - £171.5m
3rd, Manchester City - £165.5m
4th, Chelsea - £163.7m
5th, Newcastle United - £160.2m
6th, Aston Villa - £159.3m
7th, Nottingham Forest - £152.5m
8th, Brighton - £145.1m
So, it was 7.8m difference between 2nd and 4th last season. Not sure if the £100k prize for the EFL Trophy covers that, not sure the box office and TV added in makes the difference either. Only people who would benefit are the fans and we know no-one cares about them | | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 10:24 - Aug 14 with 2263 views | E17hoop |
| Taxi for Marti on 22:44 - Aug 13 by stowmarketrange |
Is there a European place for the runners up if one of the big clubs win it and qualify via league place? |
This is the finalists since 2000:
Arsenal 3
Aston Villa 2
Birmingham City 2
Blackburn Rovers 1
Bolton Wanderers 1
Bradford City 1
Cardiff City 1
Chelsea 7
Leicester City 1
Liverpool 8
Manchester City 6
Manchester United 6
Middlesbrough 1
Newcastle United 2
Southampton 1
Sunderland 1
Swansea City 1
Tottenham Hotspur 5
Tranmere Rovers 1
Wigan Athletic 1 |  |
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| Taxi for Marti on 10:32 - Aug 14 with 2228 views | stowmarketrange |
| Taxi for Marti on 09:53 - Aug 14 by nick_hammersmith |
Premier League champions, Liverpool - £174.9m
2nd, Arsenal - £171.5m
3rd, Manchester City - £165.5m
4th, Chelsea - £163.7m
5th, Newcastle United - £160.2m
6th, Aston Villa - £159.3m
7th, Nottingham Forest - £152.5m
8th, Brighton - £145.1m
So, it was 7.8m difference between 2nd and 4th last season. Not sure if the £100k prize for the EFL Trophy covers that, not sure the box office and TV added in makes the difference either. Only people who would benefit are the fans and we know no-one cares about them |
What about the extra revenue that cup final would bring in if they managed to reach it?80,000 shirts at £55 equals £4.4 million,without extras like hats,scarves and stuff? | | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 12:33 - Aug 14 with 2064 views | slmrstid |
| Taxi for Marti on 08:47 - Aug 14 by Watford_Ranger |
If he’s not got them with a realistic chance of automatic promotion at Christmas he’s probably in trouble and knows that. Going out in the first or fourth round of this makes a negligible difference to his prospects. Saying that, while he made changes, that’s a lot of experience to lose to Hudds reserves. |
I'm not sure really, it all depends what squad they finish August with. Lots of reports up here still that a lot of players need to be sold to balance the books with very little coming in.
If that ends up happening no way are they threatening to top 6. |  | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 12:47 - Aug 14 with 2031 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Taxi for Marti on 10:32 - Aug 14 by stowmarketrange |
What about the extra revenue that cup final would bring in if they managed to reach it?80,000 shirts at £55 equals £4.4 million,without extras like hats,scarves and stuff? |
What? Everyone who goes to Wembley buys a new shirt?
The club doesn't get £55 of profit for every shirt sale. They only get a small percentage of it. Its probably a better deal than Nike do for the big clubs, but we sell a much lower volume.
I don't think the street vendors pay anything back to the club either?
I get it, I think its wrong as well. Clubs should compete for all competitions they are in. I'm just trying to explain why it might be better for a PL to finish 2nd than 4th and win the League cup. | | | |
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| Taxi for Marti on 12:54 - Aug 14 with 1999 views | ChrisNW6 |
| Taxi for Marti on 10:24 - Aug 14 by E17hoop |
This is the finalists since 2000:
Arsenal 3
Aston Villa 2
Birmingham City 2
Blackburn Rovers 1
Bolton Wanderers 1
Bradford City 1
Cardiff City 1
Chelsea 7
Leicester City 1
Liverpool 8
Manchester City 6
Manchester United 6
Middlesbrough 1
Newcastle United 2
Southampton 1
Sunderland 1
Swansea City 1
Tottenham Hotspur 5
Tranmere Rovers 1
Wigan Athletic 1 |
I thought Tranmere was a typo until I googled the 2000 final 👏
I think the format changes for the bigger clubs to enter in the later rounds has really limited this happening again. We can always dream, but the comp has turned into a backdoor to European football. | | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 13:17 - Aug 14 with 1928 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Taxi for Marti on 12:54 - Aug 14 by ChrisNW6 |
I thought Tranmere was a typo until I googled the 2000 final 👏
I think the format changes for the bigger clubs to enter in the later rounds has really limited this happening again. We can always dream, but the comp has turned into a backdoor to European football. |
Future legend of the sport Clint Hill played for Tranmere that day and got sent off. [Post edited 14 Aug 13:18]
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| Taxi for Marti on 14:04 - Aug 14 with 1768 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Taxi for Marti on 12:54 - Aug 14 by ChrisNW6 |
I thought Tranmere was a typo until I googled the 2000 final 👏
I think the format changes for the bigger clubs to enter in the later rounds has really limited this happening again. We can always dream, but the comp has turned into a backdoor to European football. |
Surprised to see Jason Koumas missing from the lineup too.
A player i'd loved to have seen play for us. |  | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 14:31 - Aug 14 with 1706 views | TK1 |
| Taxi for Marti on 09:46 - Aug 14 by stowmarketrange |
They finished 8 points clear of the team in 6th,and with their vastly superior GD probably 9 points.Would it have damaged Arteta’s reputation too much by finishing 3rd or 4th but reaching a cup final? |
Far be it from me to defend Arsenal but...
They got to the semi final of the League Cup, a full-strength team losing to Newcastle who won the thing. They also got to the semi final of the Champions League, if you recall, so I don't think you can really can accuse Arteta of sacking off cups to come second! They were desperate for a cup final. In fact, they may have done better in both league and CL if they had sacked off the league cup as they lost players to injuries and suspension throughout. | | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 14:33 - Aug 14 with 1656 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Taxi for Marti on 23:10 - Aug 13 by NW5Hoop |
Because it's lose-lose. Every half-decent Premier League team can field 11 reserves who'd beat almost all Championship side. Twenty years ago, when the Premier League was not so much richer, you might still have a shot. Now you might go on a bit of a run, but you're never going to win the bloody thing. You'll just get injuries and then you'll get knocked out.
Even these "upsets" like Palace winning the Cup – it's still a team with several astounding talents. That's the bar now. It's an upset if your best players are only worth £60m. |
Jesus wept! With an attitude like that, why play/support pro football at all? |  |
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| Taxi for Marti on 14:54 - Aug 14 with 1603 views | Myke |
I don't wish Marti any ill will at all. He did a decent job for for us in difficult circumstances and hope he does well at Leicester Have a soft spot for Leicester anyway. He has moved on, we have moved on and so it goes. | | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 14:57 - Aug 14 with 1565 views | stantheman10 |
| Taxi for Marti on 10:32 - Aug 14 by stowmarketrange |
What about the extra revenue that cup final would bring in if they managed to reach it?80,000 shirts at £55 equals £4.4 million,without extras like hats,scarves and stuff? |
It still wouldn't cover the difference between finishing 2nd and 4th in the premier league! | | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 15:50 - Aug 14 with 1468 views | kensalriser |
| Taxi for Marti on 10:32 - Aug 14 by stowmarketrange |
What about the extra revenue that cup final would bring in if they managed to reach it?80,000 shirts at £55 equals £4.4 million,without extras like hats,scarves and stuff? |
Whatever you do, don't start a business!
Revenue does not equal profit. Let's say they did manage £5m additional sales. You can deduct a sixth of that for VAT straight off, that leaves you 4.17. Then take off production and sales costs (let's say 25% but it may be more), which gives you 3.125.
Then - and this the big one - the profit split or royalty deal with the supplier/sponsor. The average percentage net revenue from merch sales for PL clubs is 7.5%, maximum 20% - not sure what that's based on but let's say revenues minus VAT and Arsenal are at 15%. That's £625,500.
So tl:dr, it's not a lot. It's why I always have a bit of a laugh when people say we're borrowing a player like Yang for the extra shirt sales. For a club like QPR, it's chump change. |  |
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| Taxi for Marti on 16:47 - Aug 14 with 1364 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Taxi for Marti on 14:33 - Aug 14 by stainrods_elbow |
Jesus wept! With an attitude like that, why play/support pro football at all? |
Thats why we have leagues though isn't it?
So in theory every week in the Championship you get to play teams of a similar level so the matches are competitive.
If we had to play a PL team every week you would hope we wouldn't be using much of our current squad otherwise it would be worse than Southampton's efforts last season.
I think the League cup has been successfully devalued now, so that most people understand its a Mickey Mouse thing and for a lot of the teams in it who might be a). aiming for Promotion or b). avoiding a relegation these extra games are an unwelcome distraction
I know its a trope, but didn't Wigan win the FA Cup and then get relegated?
Shall we ask a Wigan fan if that was the best thing for their club? [Post edited 14 Aug 16:49]
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| Taxi for Marti on 16:53 - Aug 14 with 1346 views | francisbowles |
| Taxi for Marti on 15:50 - Aug 14 by kensalriser |
Whatever you do, don't start a business!
Revenue does not equal profit. Let's say they did manage £5m additional sales. You can deduct a sixth of that for VAT straight off, that leaves you 4.17. Then take off production and sales costs (let's say 25% but it may be more), which gives you 3.125.
Then - and this the big one - the profit split or royalty deal with the supplier/sponsor. The average percentage net revenue from merch sales for PL clubs is 7.5%, maximum 20% - not sure what that's based on but let's say revenues minus VAT and Arsenal are at 15%. That's £625,500.
So tl:dr, it's not a lot. It's why I always have a bit of a laugh when people say we're borrowing a player like Yang for the extra shirt sales. For a club like QPR, it's chump change. |
Not sure exactly what you mean by 'chump change'.
I believe QPR needs every penny of revenue it can get. It's not just the shirts with Yang either, it's the extra ticket sales, online match streams, carrier bags full of club shop merchandise, hits on the website and maybe other factors too. | | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 16:53 - Aug 14 with 1348 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Taxi for Marti on 15:50 - Aug 14 by kensalriser |
Whatever you do, don't start a business!
Revenue does not equal profit. Let's say they did manage £5m additional sales. You can deduct a sixth of that for VAT straight off, that leaves you 4.17. Then take off production and sales costs (let's say 25% but it may be more), which gives you 3.125.
Then - and this the big one - the profit split or royalty deal with the supplier/sponsor. The average percentage net revenue from merch sales for PL clubs is 7.5%, maximum 20% - not sure what that's based on but let's say revenues minus VAT and Arsenal are at 15%. That's £625,500.
So tl:dr, it's not a lot. It's why I always have a bit of a laugh when people say we're borrowing a player like Yang for the extra shirt sales. For a club like QPR, it's chump change. |
There was a great video from TiFo about how much the big clubs really make from shirt sales, and it was a very small percentage.
I think it can make a difference when you have someone like a Messi at your club, but then the snide market for moody shirts is big its probably negated somewhat.
We had that year where we made the shirts in house (Clubhouse?) not sure if that meant we made more that way, but we don't do it anymore! | | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 17:12 - Aug 14 with 1320 views | LowerloftLad |
I think the clubs in Europe should step aside from the league cup.
I feel everyone else would take it more seriously and its a great day out and Wembley would still be sold out.
Maybe offer the winners a chance to play in the conference trophy too. |  |
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| Taxi for Marti on 21:29 - Aug 14 with 1146 views | stowmarketrange |
| Taxi for Marti on 17:12 - Aug 14 by LowerloftLad |
I think the clubs in Europe should step aside from the league cup.
I feel everyone else would take it more seriously and its a great day out and Wembley would still be sold out.
Maybe offer the winners a chance to play in the conference trophy too. |
Or just don’t bother playing in it because it’s not worth anything money wise.
Just save your main players to finish mid table in the premier league or the championship.
Just as well we didn’t have this attitude in 1966-67 or our cupboard would be as bare as Fulham or Brentford’s.
Who said romance is dead? | | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 13:26 - Aug 15 with 790 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Taxi for Marti on 21:29 - Aug 14 by stowmarketrange |
Or just don’t bother playing in it because it’s not worth anything money wise.
Just save your main players to finish mid table in the premier league or the championship.
Just as well we didn’t have this attitude in 1966-67 or our cupboard would be as bare as Fulham or Brentford’s.
Who said romance is dead? |
The money involved wasn't the same 60 years ago though was it?
Like it or not irs a different competition now | | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 15:38 - Aug 15 with 614 views | stowmarketrange |
| Taxi for Marti on 13:26 - Aug 15 by nick_hammersmith |
The money involved wasn't the same 60 years ago though was it?
Like it or not irs a different competition now |
Is it only about the money though?If us fans accept putting out a crap side because we might drop from 13th to 15th in May,then might as well all pack up and go home.
Would Wigan fans prefer they’d stayed up for another season or have a day out at Wembley to actually win the FA cup a few years ago?
You can’t buy memories of trophies won,or days out at Wembley.It seems you can buy 11th place instead of 12th. | | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 15:56 - Aug 15 with 563 views | DavieQPR |
The sponsors pay us to put their name on our shirts there is no royalty deal. Fashion has one of the highest markups. So pre tax it is easy to see £55 made on a shirt by the time name, number and badges are added. |  | | |
| Taxi for Marti on 16:07 - Aug 15 with 519 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Taxi for Marti on 15:38 - Aug 15 by stowmarketrange |
Is it only about the money though?If us fans accept putting out a crap side because we might drop from 13th to 15th in May,then might as well all pack up and go home.
Would Wigan fans prefer they’d stayed up for another season or have a day out at Wembley to actually win the FA cup a few years ago?
You can’t buy memories of trophies won,or days out at Wembley.It seems you can buy 11th place instead of 12th. |
I said the same thing earlier ^^
"Thats why we have leagues though isn't it?
So in theory every week in the Championship you get to play teams of a similar level so the matches are competitive.
If we had to play a PL team every week you would hope we wouldn't be using much of our current squad otherwise it would be worse than Southampton's efforts last season.
I think the League cup has been successfully devalued now, so that most people understand its a Mickey Mouse thing and for a lot of the teams in it who might be a). aiming for Promotion or b). avoiding a relegation these extra games are an unwelcome distraction
I know its a trope, but didn't Wigan win the FA Cup and then get relegated?
Shall we ask a Wigan fan if that was the best thing for their club?"
I loved going to Wembley, but I'd rather we competed in the league than the league cup. FA Cup is a bit more special, but yes I'd rather we didn't get relegated. L1 could kill this club | | | |
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