| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 21:46 - Aug 21 with 2874 views | shandyjack |
Tbf if I was VIP I’d be raging too after watching that performance from Cullen on Saturday and not getting on the pitch.
Cullen spent 90 mins refusing to challenge for any headers, just doing some pretend half arsed thing of running towards the CH heading the ball. He was late to every thing and at one point pulled out of a header on the 6 yard box that was plum on his head.
He should have been hooked HT, after 60 mins latest. If he wasn’t from the academy AS would be getting pelters for persisting with him. |  |
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| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 21:58 - Aug 21 with 2764 views | 01swans |
There was talk of 2 strikers coming in which this would explain… 1 perm and a loan happy days I think |  | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:02 - Aug 21 with 2713 views | Whiterockin |
If we get strikers in offloading Vipotnik may not be an issue. |  | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:04 - Aug 21 with 2689 views | Landore_Jack |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 21:46 - Aug 21 by shandyjack |
Tbf if I was VIP I’d be raging too after watching that performance from Cullen on Saturday and not getting on the pitch.
Cullen spent 90 mins refusing to challenge for any headers, just doing some pretend half arsed thing of running towards the CH heading the ball. He was late to every thing and at one point pulled out of a header on the 6 yard box that was plum on his head.
He should have been hooked HT, after 60 mins latest. If he wasn’t from the academy AS would be getting pelters for persisting with him. |
Totally agree. I still don't understand why Sheehan sees Cullen as a striker when he clearly isn't. Vipotnik didn't help himself against Crawley. He frustrated me a lot last season. His all round play and awareness isn't great. Sometimes it feels like he isn't interested and he is slow to react to certain situations. I wouldn't be sorry to see him leave. I think we can do better than Cullen and Vipotnik. |  |
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| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:13 - Aug 21 with 2612 views | cimlaswan |
I would give Bobby Wales a chance on Saturday but I think Cullen will start. | | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:15 - Aug 21 with 2598 views | swansjack84 |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 21:46 - Aug 21 by shandyjack |
Tbf if I was VIP I’d be raging too after watching that performance from Cullen on Saturday and not getting on the pitch.
Cullen spent 90 mins refusing to challenge for any headers, just doing some pretend half arsed thing of running towards the CH heading the ball. He was late to every thing and at one point pulled out of a header on the 6 yard box that was plum on his head.
He should have been hooked HT, after 60 mins latest. If he wasn’t from the academy AS would be getting pelters for persisting with him. |
Without this turning into a Cullen debate. Yes we need a striker. But Sheehan is spot on, Cullen contributes much more to the team on match day. VP has had chances. He has glimpses. But his work rate, switching off and heading, is not there. VP was already on the outside of Sheehan mind for some while. Sheehan gave him a chance and hasn't claimed his spot. Today's comments from Sheehan about Cullen should tell us more that VP will go if right offer comes in and new Striker is on the menu. | | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:19 - Aug 21 with 2561 views | Fireboy2 |
I think that some people need to give their head a wobble, there is a reason why cullen doesn't really go up for headers and thats because he cant really head the ball well, thats why he isnt a no 9.
Cullen cant be blamed for being poor as a no9 when he isnt one, it isnt his fault hes being picked up front, hes doing the best he can with the tools he has.
Vip needs to wind his neck in and realise that if an average attacking midfielder is getting the striker spot in front of him then he either has to work harder or fvck off. |  | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:20 - Aug 21 with 2557 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:15 - Aug 21 by swansjack84 |
Without this turning into a Cullen debate. Yes we need a striker. But Sheehan is spot on, Cullen contributes much more to the team on match day. VP has had chances. He has glimpses. But his work rate, switching off and heading, is not there. VP was already on the outside of Sheehan mind for some while. Sheehan gave him a chance and hasn't claimed his spot. Today's comments from Sheehan about Cullen should tell us more that VP will go if right offer comes in and new Striker is on the menu. |
Cullen contributes basically nothing as the lead striker. He never has. Even when he had the likes of Joel Piroe supporting him. That is the problem. He's not even a physical presence.
Even Vip's worst critics concede that he can at least win the occasional header. |  |
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| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:35 - Aug 21 with 2464 views | swansjack84 |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:20 - Aug 21 by Dr_Winston |
Cullen contributes basically nothing as the lead striker. He never has. Even when he had the likes of Joel Piroe supporting him. That is the problem. He's not even a physical presence.
Even Vip's worst critics concede that he can at least win the occasional header. |
Look do I want a striker, and one that replaces Cullen in the team. 100%. But his overall game at this time contributes alot more than VP. Sheehan knows it, the fans know it. [Post edited 21 Aug 22:36]
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| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:43 - Aug 21 with 2403 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:35 - Aug 21 by swansjack84 |
Look do I want a striker, and one that replaces Cullen in the team. 100%. But his overall game at this time contributes alot more than VP. Sheehan knows it, the fans know it. [Post edited 21 Aug 22:36]
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His overall game contributed nothing last Saturday. Nor did it at The Riverside.
I like Sheehan overall but he's got this one wrong. | |
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| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:48 - Aug 21 with 2353 views | swansjack84 |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:43 - Aug 21 by Dr_Winston |
His overall game contributed nothing last Saturday. Nor did it at The Riverside.
I like Sheehan overall but he's got this one wrong. |
Genuine Question, what has he got wrong? Saying Cullen is his first choice and VP not taking the shirt?
I have been vocal on wanting VP to be the striker we all want. Cullen is not a striker
But his work rate and overall match day contribution is much better than VP.
I don't think I have ever seen VP win a header from a goal kick when competing. Not that Cullen does. Cullen does need to be better. But VP switches off. Copy and paste highlights from the last year, of him missing a sitter on the line | | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:50 - Aug 21 with 2320 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:43 - Aug 21 by Dr_Winston |
His overall game contributed nothing last Saturday. Nor did it at The Riverside.
I like Sheehan overall but he's got this one wrong. |
It did last week and in the first half v boro but not as a striker though.
Hes an attacking midfielder and he plays his game as one, as sheehan has stated he brings other players into the game, he scores the odd goal in the box but as i have said he isnt a striker, the sooner we get one the better.
And after what ive just heard unless we get a striker before 7pm on the 1st of September we will be seeing cullen up front until January. | | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:53 - Aug 21 with 2296 views | swansjack84 |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:50 - Aug 21 by Fireboy2 |
It did last week and in the first half v boro but not as a striker though.
Hes an attacking midfielder and he plays his game as one, as sheehan has stated he brings other players into the game, he scores the odd goal in the box but as i have said he isnt a striker, the sooner we get one the better.
And after what ive just heard unless we get a striker before 7pm on the 1st of September we will be seeing cullen up front until January. |
100%. Couldnt of said it better myself. 👍👍 | | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:54 - Aug 21 with 2278 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:48 - Aug 21 by swansjack84 |
Genuine Question, what has he got wrong? Saying Cullen is his first choice and VP not taking the shirt?
I have been vocal on wanting VP to be the striker we all want. Cullen is not a striker
But his work rate and overall match day contribution is much better than VP.
I don't think I have ever seen VP win a header from a goal kick when competing. Not that Cullen does. Cullen does need to be better. But VP switches off. Copy and paste highlights from the last year, of him missing a sitter on the line |
You keep saying "overall match day contribution".
Thus far this season Cullen's "overall match day contribution" has been non-existent. He can't win a header, he can't hold the ball up, he can't bring others into play. He's been nowhere near 99% of service into the box (a Cardinal sin on Vipotniks part but oddly excused for Cullen).
He might as well not be there at all for all he's offered. | |
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| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:58 - Aug 21 with 2246 views | swansjack84 |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:54 - Aug 21 by Dr_Winston |
You keep saying "overall match day contribution".
Thus far this season Cullen's "overall match day contribution" has been non-existent. He can't win a header, he can't hold the ball up, he can't bring others into play. He's been nowhere near 99% of service into the box (a Cardinal sin on Vipotniks part but oddly excused for Cullen).
He might as well not be there at all for all he's offered. |
We will have to agree to disagree on this one Everyone sees things different. But his hold up play and bringing players into the game is far more better than VP. He adds much more to the team on match day. Maybe not always and maybe not what we want in the long term but we all see things different I suppose. | | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 23:02 - Aug 21 with 2220 views | Fireboy2 |
Well as ive said we will be seeing cullen alot more and vip alot less so that tells you what our manager thinks of both players. | | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 00:01 - Aug 22 with 2044 views | ncswan |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:20 - Aug 21 by Dr_Winston |
Cullen contributes basically nothing as the lead striker. He never has. Even when he had the likes of Joel Piroe supporting him. That is the problem. He's not even a physical presence.
Even Vip's worst critics concede that he can at least win the occasional header. |
I'm not one of his worst critics, but any "occasional header" Vip wins hasn't gone in or led to someone else scoring, at least not recently. He is either lazy or just totally unaware of where he is on the front line.
Vip's presence up front is abysmal since he doesn't know where to properly be when the Swans are in the attacking third of the field. We all saw in a recent match how he just stayed offside while his teammate was waiting for him to come back onside but then the teammate had to finally dish off the ball in a way that caused the promising attack to fizzle out.
Cullen on the other hand shows much more energy, chasing the opponents' play, that it inspires his teammates. At least that's what I think Sheehan sees when Cullen is playing the #9 position. Cullen's play is also a lot like Yates' in that he's a poacher, waiting to pounce on a ball in front of the net. And, yes, Cullen had more goals and assists in league play than Vip last season, 11 goals to 7 goals; 3 assists to 0 assists. | | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 00:37 - Aug 22 with 1978 views | RichardO |
Neither Cullen or Vipotnik offer enough up top for various reasons, the concerns for me is neither cause problems for the centrebacks Cullen because of his height and stature, Vipotnik because he seem unaware how to challenge in the air, neither have the pace or skill levels to go passed players. Vipotnik in his attempts to break the line of defence invariably caught offside, while people are calling Cullen a poacher he very seldom attacks the box preferring to drop deep to receive a pulled back cross which to covert successfully into a goal is quite a skill to completed and the average completion rate by Cullen is relatively low and can clutter the edge of the box for oncoming midfielders.
Maybe with a more fluid midfield both may get better chances, Inoussa's looks quite a unit not easily knocked of the ball, It should be noted all be it against Crawley, Wales was able to with one touch able to get the ball into a shooting and scoring position, I have not seen Cullen or Vipotnik from memory scoring anything but first time strikes.
Cullen's closing down work is better and often leave fullbacks with the only option to play down the line but our defence needs to be able to close attackers down swiftly while they ensure they are able to deal with the ball in behind. Vipotnik just doesn't seem to understand what he is trying do accomplish while closing down players or how to reduce the avenues for the opposition to pass which Cullen does.
I hope I am proved wrong. | | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 00:39 - Aug 22 with 1967 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 22:19 - Aug 21 by Fireboy2 |
I think that some people need to give their head a wobble, there is a reason why cullen doesn't really go up for headers and thats because he cant really head the ball well, thats why he isnt a no 9.
Cullen cant be blamed for being poor as a no9 when he isnt one, it isnt his fault hes being picked up front, hes doing the best he can with the tools he has.
Vip needs to wind his neck in and realise that if an average attacking midfielder is getting the striker spot in front of him then he either has to work harder or fvck off. |
Cullen is the best forward no 9 to come from the CoE and Academy in recent decades nd is not very good with a glaring lack of physicality. He has good games but is often anonymous.
If I was Montague I would be asking Anthony Wright and other long termers for an explanation. At on time the club was investing £5m a year. It suggests a systematic problem. |  |
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| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 01:31 - Aug 22 with 1926 views | dobjack2 |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 00:37 - Aug 22 by RichardO |
Neither Cullen or Vipotnik offer enough up top for various reasons, the concerns for me is neither cause problems for the centrebacks Cullen because of his height and stature, Vipotnik because he seem unaware how to challenge in the air, neither have the pace or skill levels to go passed players. Vipotnik in his attempts to break the line of defence invariably caught offside, while people are calling Cullen a poacher he very seldom attacks the box preferring to drop deep to receive a pulled back cross which to covert successfully into a goal is quite a skill to completed and the average completion rate by Cullen is relatively low and can clutter the edge of the box for oncoming midfielders.
Maybe with a more fluid midfield both may get better chances, Inoussa's looks quite a unit not easily knocked of the ball, It should be noted all be it against Crawley, Wales was able to with one touch able to get the ball into a shooting and scoring position, I have not seen Cullen or Vipotnik from memory scoring anything but first time strikes.
Cullen's closing down work is better and often leave fullbacks with the only option to play down the line but our defence needs to be able to close attackers down swiftly while they ensure they are able to deal with the ball in behind. Vipotnik just doesn't seem to understand what he is trying do accomplish while closing down players or how to reduce the avenues for the opposition to pass which Cullen does.
I hope I am proved wrong. |
Vipotnik doesn't look a championship standard striker to me. Slow to think, slow to react, always seems to be a yard behind where he needs to be when it matters. League 1 or possibly league 2 is his level. I don't believe we would have considered signing him under our revamped scouting.
Agree Cullen works hard but isn't a main striker. Bellamy can see that and uses his strengths in a different way. | | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 06:29 - Aug 22 with 1733 views | Whiterockin |
There's those who like Cullen and those who don't and those opinions are clouding people's judgment. The fact is Vipotnik is useless and needs to go. Cullen is the best we have and has to play up front unless Wales develops very quickly. In the ideal world we need two forwards in, Vipotnik out and Cullen deeper like he plays for Wales or benched to come on as a utility player. | | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 06:34 - Aug 22 with 1704 views | PawelAbbott |
It is pretty clear that both current options are poor.
Bobby Wales has had 1 game and gets a goal and an assist.
He played regularly in Scotland. Why not give him more of a chance?
But, after spending millions on the midfield and offloading 3 forwards that we had spent around £6m on, for very little return. It seems a very unfortunate position to be in with a week of the transfer window left and the key position left unfilled. | | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 06:34 - Aug 22 with 1703 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 06:29 - Aug 22 by Whiterockin |
There's those who like Cullen and those who don't and those opinions are clouding people's judgment. The fact is Vipotnik is useless and needs to go. Cullen is the best we have and has to play up front unless Wales develops very quickly. In the ideal world we need two forwards in, Vipotnik out and Cullen deeper like he plays for Wales or benched to come on as a utility player. |
There we go. Bring in a championship level striker
Cullen on the bench, mainly to be used as an attacking midfielder
Vipotnik as backup to the striker, or if he thinks he deserves to be starting, let him find a club
Neither of them are good enough in that role. | | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 08:19 - Aug 22 with 1453 views | scruffyjack |
With regards to Vipotnik I cannot think of one attribute that he possesses, and that is very unusual for a professional footballer. | | | |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 08:30 - Aug 22 with 1385 views | Dr_Winston |
| Swansea City Exclusive : Vipotnik not at all happy, striker disclosure examined on 06:29 - Aug 22 by Whiterockin |
There's those who like Cullen and those who don't and those opinions are clouding people's judgment. The fact is Vipotnik is useless and needs to go. Cullen is the best we have and has to play up front unless Wales develops very quickly. In the ideal world we need two forwards in, Vipotnik out and Cullen deeper like he plays for Wales or benched to come on as a utility player. |
Accuses people of having clouded judgement about Cullen. Immediately proceeds to demonstrate clouded judgement on Vipotnik.
The "fact" is that Vipotnik is far better at leading the line then Cullen is, but because he's apparently the Antichrist and Cullen is a lovely local boy people pretend otherwise.
Cullen is good at some things. I'm happy to acknowledge that. Playing as a lone forward isn't one of them. It never has been. | |
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