| Disrespectful I know... 07:25 - Sep 22 with 3329 views | dixiefrog |
To talk about another Manager whilst we still have WS in place, but if Graham Potter was to become available would he be worth a punt? |  |
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| Disrespectful I know... on 15:02 - Sep 22 with 1028 views | Southamptonfan |
| Disrespectful I know... on 14:17 - Sep 22 by dixiefrog |
The current boss is still in place, however here’s a few stats (*) to consider when comparing Graham Potter and Will Still…
Professional games played - GP 320
Professional games played - WS 0
Total games managed - GP 490
Total games managed- WS 135
Win % of games managed - GP 42%
Win % of games managed - WD 42%
I think the most telling number here is the games played. It would be interesting to know the thoughts of the current first team and how they view a boss who has never played the game (professionally). It’s early days but are we already seeing a reaction from the senior players who simply have no respect and are not playing for the boss?
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I think that's right. Anyone in any line of work, would you take instructions from a boss who had never done it themselves? This is how to perform brain surgery, I read it in a book.
Is Adam Armstrong going to a listen to someone telling him where to be on the pitch, how to shoot etc by a manager who never played himself? I don't think so. WS won't command the respect of the players, and they have an easy excuse to say to each other "He doesn't know what he is doing as he never played the game. He wouldn't understand the reality" [Post edited 22 Sep 15:04]
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| Disrespectful I know... on 15:11 - Sep 22 with 999 views | saint901 |
| Disrespectful I know... on 12:53 - Sep 22 by kingslandstand1 |
Or are SR just looking for yes men who will put a budding youngster in the team for the shop window?
An earlier thread was reference Potter who may soon become available as he did well at Brighton. But Brighton have decent owners and clearly a decent recruitment pattern which helped Potter get "top jobs and a decent reputation". Unfortunately for him Chelsea's expectation was too high and West Ham have indifferent owners who the fans, like us, want the owners out
I can't see them sacking WS unless it all goes absolutely t1ts up and unfortunately it may not do his reputation much good |
Brighton have a well developed and efficient young player and developing player program. Probably as good as or better than we had a decade ago.
They have training camps for kids (6 to 18) on the East Coast of the USA as well as various European locations.
They can sell some decent young players to other PL teams because that have a pipeline of newer players. | | | |
| Disrespectful I know... on 15:20 - Sep 22 with 981 views | kingslandstand1 |
| Disrespectful I know... on 14:17 - Sep 22 by dixiefrog |
The current boss is still in place, however here’s a few stats (*) to consider when comparing Graham Potter and Will Still…
Professional games played - GP 320
Professional games played - WS 0
Total games managed - GP 490
Total games managed- WS 135
Win % of games managed - GP 42%
Win % of games managed - WD 42%
I think the most telling number here is the games played. It would be interesting to know the thoughts of the current first team and how they view a boss who has never played the game (professionally). It’s early days but are we already seeing a reaction from the senior players who simply have no respect and are not playing for the boss?
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Different era but Laurie Mac I don't think played professionally (Gateshed? I stand corrected if need be), and similarly Jose Mourinho had minimal top level playing experience although he was Bobby Robson's translater for a while |  |
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| Disrespectful I know... on 15:25 - Sep 22 with 975 views | Ifonly |
| Disrespectful I know... on 15:02 - Sep 22 by Southamptonfan |
I think that's right. Anyone in any line of work, would you take instructions from a boss who had never done it themselves? This is how to perform brain surgery, I read it in a book.
Is Adam Armstrong going to a listen to someone telling him where to be on the pitch, how to shoot etc by a manager who never played himself? I don't think so. WS won't command the respect of the players, and they have an easy excuse to say to each other "He doesn't know what he is doing as he never played the game. He wouldn't understand the reality" [Post edited 22 Sep 15:04]
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"in any line of work, would you take instructions from a boss who had never done it themselves?"
So the teams WS managed in France just completely ignored him?? Mourinho's teams completely ignore him?? Does the current Germany team just ignore Nagelsmann?? etc. etc. No, of course not.
WS can be criticised for a number of things, including a lack of experience, but if a player ignores him just because he doesn't have the playing experience, then that player is not only an idiot but is shooting themselves in the foot.
Like any manager, WS will start with reserves of respect from the players for prior achievements. Any manager, ex-player or not can go on to lose the dressing room due to poor performance, but that takes a while to happen and we're not there yet. | | | |
| Disrespectful I know... on 15:39 - Sep 22 with 939 views | Southamptonfan |
| Disrespectful I know... on 15:25 - Sep 22 by Ifonly |
"in any line of work, would you take instructions from a boss who had never done it themselves?"
So the teams WS managed in France just completely ignored him?? Mourinho's teams completely ignore him?? Does the current Germany team just ignore Nagelsmann?? etc. etc. No, of course not.
WS can be criticised for a number of things, including a lack of experience, but if a player ignores him just because he doesn't have the playing experience, then that player is not only an idiot but is shooting themselves in the foot.
Like any manager, WS will start with reserves of respect from the players for prior achievements. Any manager, ex-player or not can go on to lose the dressing room due to poor performance, but that takes a while to happen and we're not there yet. |
Hmm, if I asked you this - You wanted to learn how to be a successful footballer. You can be coached by Glenn Hoddle, Koeman, Poch (have a look at their goals and they instantly get respect0. You know they know what they're talking about. ) or Will Still who would you choose? Yes, there are one or two examples of managers who have never played, but very very few and nowadays I think it puts him at a disadvantage from the off.
Could a nurse who has never actually been a nurse teach someone how to have a good bedside manner if they have never spoken to a patient in their life? I doubt it.
I will see if I can find the clip but on going home with Adam and Joe. Tessem said he would struggle being told what to do by someone who had never experienced the live game as a player. So it could be in some players minds. [Post edited 22 Sep 15:43]
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| Disrespectful I know... on 15:47 - Sep 22 with 910 views | Ifonly |
| Disrespectful I know... on 15:39 - Sep 22 by Southamptonfan |
Hmm, if I asked you this - You wanted to learn how to be a successful footballer. You can be coached by Glenn Hoddle, Koeman, Poch (have a look at their goals and they instantly get respect0. You know they know what they're talking about. ) or Will Still who would you choose? Yes, there are one or two examples of managers who have never played, but very very few and nowadays I think it puts him at a disadvantage from the off.
Could a nurse who has never actually been a nurse teach someone how to have a good bedside manner if they have never spoken to a patient in their life? I doubt it.
I will see if I can find the clip but on going home with Adam and Joe. Tessem said he would struggle being told what to do by someone who had never experienced the live game as a player. So it could be in some players minds. [Post edited 22 Sep 15:43]
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There is very little correlation between playing ability and coaching/manging ability. I thought everyone knew that. Who was the more successful manager, Bobby or Jack Charlton? Wayne Rooney or Will Still? | | | |
| Disrespectful I know... on 16:13 - Sep 22 with 879 views | PatfromPoole |
| Disrespectful I know... on 15:39 - Sep 22 by Southamptonfan |
Hmm, if I asked you this - You wanted to learn how to be a successful footballer. You can be coached by Glenn Hoddle, Koeman, Poch (have a look at their goals and they instantly get respect0. You know they know what they're talking about. ) or Will Still who would you choose? Yes, there are one or two examples of managers who have never played, but very very few and nowadays I think it puts him at a disadvantage from the off.
Could a nurse who has never actually been a nurse teach someone how to have a good bedside manner if they have never spoken to a patient in their life? I doubt it.
I will see if I can find the clip but on going home with Adam and Joe. Tessem said he would struggle being told what to do by someone who had never experienced the live game as a player. So it could be in some players minds. [Post edited 22 Sep 15:43]
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The game has changed.
Probably half of the managers in the Prem didn't play top-flight football in their playing careers, if they ever had a playing career.
If not more than half.
Even Graham Potter barely played top-flight football. And he was bloody shite when he did.... |  |
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| Disrespectful I know... on 17:04 - Sep 22 with 820 views | felly1 |
| Disrespectful I know... on 15:39 - Sep 22 by Southamptonfan |
Hmm, if I asked you this - You wanted to learn how to be a successful footballer. You can be coached by Glenn Hoddle, Koeman, Poch (have a look at their goals and they instantly get respect0. You know they know what they're talking about. ) or Will Still who would you choose? Yes, there are one or two examples of managers who have never played, but very very few and nowadays I think it puts him at a disadvantage from the off.
Could a nurse who has never actually been a nurse teach someone how to have a good bedside manner if they have never spoken to a patient in their life? I doubt it.
I will see if I can find the clip but on going home with Adam and Joe. Tessem said he would struggle being told what to do by someone who had never experienced the live game as a player. So it could be in some players minds. [Post edited 22 Sep 15:43]
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Stills record at his previous two clubs were .
Reims W 21 L 17. Reims are a small club overachieving in Ligue 1 .
Lens. W17 L 11. 8th place finish. Steadied the ship after they sold their best players.
Whilst at Reims he took them on a 17 game unbeaten run in ligue 1 including to draws with PSG .
His track record is pretty decent, admittedly a lack of experience of English football but that hasn't stopped many other foreign guys being successful .
6 games in and people calling for his head is frankly ridiculous.
We may well be crap for a while but surely we have to give this guy more time than 6 games ffs! | | | |
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| Disrespectful I know... on 17:21 - Sep 22 with 801 views | Ifonly |
| Disrespectful I know... on 17:04 - Sep 22 by felly1 |
Stills record at his previous two clubs were .
Reims W 21 L 17. Reims are a small club overachieving in Ligue 1 .
Lens. W17 L 11. 8th place finish. Steadied the ship after they sold their best players.
Whilst at Reims he took them on a 17 game unbeaten run in ligue 1 including to draws with PSG .
His track record is pretty decent, admittedly a lack of experience of English football but that hasn't stopped many other foreign guys being successful .
6 games in and people calling for his head is frankly ridiculous.
We may well be crap for a while but surely we have to give this guy more time than 6 games ffs! |
I agree. He's been poor so far, but that doesn't mean we should sack him now. I have doubts about him too, but he should be given a fair chance.
I'd also say that he's really only had 2 games with his squad. Both very disappointing games, but just 2 games. It's now up to him, he has to deliver, but he should be judged on results with us, not on where he came from or what he did before he started managing. | | | |
| Disrespectful I know... on 17:46 - Sep 22 with 756 views | kingslandstand1 |
| Disrespectful I know... on 16:13 - Sep 22 by PatfromPoole |
The game has changed.
Probably half of the managers in the Prem didn't play top-flight football in their playing careers, if they ever had a playing career.
If not more than half.
Even Graham Potter barely played top-flight football. And he was bloody shite when he did.... |
It does seem that most people on this site could apparently manage better than WS and I'd guess not many on here played at the top level?
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| Disrespectful I know... on 18:50 - Sep 22 with 689 views | Monksway |
I'm not sure that they are not playing for the boss but this is a continuation of much that happened last year with the collective confidence pretty shot. In retrospect the transfer window was a mess and we are left with too many players from last year. THB, Stephens, Downes, Aribo, Edozie, Archer and Armstrong all needed to go. Only Manning and Fraser have started the season moderately well. Sesay and Robinson looked good in pre-season. Downs and Quarshie need a chance. Edwards and Wood need a run of games together to establish a partnership. Still needs to be really strong and take a risk with a completely new team if he wants to banish the legacy of last year regardless of current status and experience within the squad. | | | |
| Disrespectful I know... on 21:13 - Sep 22 with 552 views | 1885_SFC |
| Disrespectful I know... on 18:50 - Sep 22 by Monksway |
I'm not sure that they are not playing for the boss but this is a continuation of much that happened last year with the collective confidence pretty shot. In retrospect the transfer window was a mess and we are left with too many players from last year. THB, Stephens, Downes, Aribo, Edozie, Archer and Armstrong all needed to go. Only Manning and Fraser have started the season moderately well. Sesay and Robinson looked good in pre-season. Downs and Quarshie need a chance. Edwards and Wood need a run of games together to establish a partnership. Still needs to be really strong and take a risk with a completely new team if he wants to banish the legacy of last year regardless of current status and experience within the squad. |
THB needs dropping. He's underperforming so badly and needs time out. Same goes for captain Jack.
I would certainly give Ronnie Edwards a run of games 100%.
Same goes for Jay Robinson. |  |
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| Disrespectful I know... on 22:38 - Sep 22 with 446 views | dixiefrog |
| Disrespectful I know... on 17:04 - Sep 22 by felly1 |
Stills record at his previous two clubs were .
Reims W 21 L 17. Reims are a small club overachieving in Ligue 1 .
Lens. W17 L 11. 8th place finish. Steadied the ship after they sold their best players.
Whilst at Reims he took them on a 17 game unbeaten run in ligue 1 including to draws with PSG .
His track record is pretty decent, admittedly a lack of experience of English football but that hasn't stopped many other foreign guys being successful .
6 games in and people calling for his head is frankly ridiculous.
We may well be crap for a while but surely we have to give this guy more time than 6 games ffs! |
Leaving aside the Liverpool game, here are the next six games taking us through to the end of October.
Borough H
Sheffield United A
Derby A
Swansea H
Bristol City A
Blackburn A
It may sound defeatist but the way we’ve been playing recently, I can’t see picking up any more than four point from these games.
At what point will SR admit their WS experiment is an utter disaster and look to appoint Potter (or another experienced Manager) to pull us out of the sh1t hole that they have created.
You say six games isn’t enough, well how about twelve embarrassing performances or maybe eighteen, how far will SR stretch your patience. | |
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| Disrespectful I know... on 23:41 - Sep 22 with 408 views | DorsetIan |
| Disrespectful I know... on 22:38 - Sep 22 by dixiefrog |
Leaving aside the Liverpool game, here are the next six games taking us through to the end of October.
Borough H
Sheffield United A
Derby A
Swansea H
Bristol City A
Blackburn A
It may sound defeatist but the way we’ve been playing recently, I can’t see picking up any more than four point from these games.
At what point will SR admit their WS experiment is an utter disaster and look to appoint Potter (or another experienced Manager) to pull us out of the sh1t hole that they have created.
You say six games isn’t enough, well how about twelve embarrassing performances or maybe eighteen, how far will SR stretch your patience. |
The clowns in charge are not capable of a ruthless, quick decision. Ralph, Jones and Martin all dragged on too long, and there was no attempt at all to replace Selles or Juric.
You say 6 games for WS. I would give him no more than 4 if there's no signs of improvement.
But I suspect he'll be here for at least another 10 games, no matter what happens.
And then they'll make the same mistake again with the next guy. | |
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| Disrespectful I know... on 23:55 - Sep 22 with 398 views | Southamptonfan |
| Disrespectful I know... on 23:41 - Sep 22 by DorsetIan |
The clowns in charge are not capable of a ruthless, quick decision. Ralph, Jones and Martin all dragged on too long, and there was no attempt at all to replace Selles or Juric.
You say 6 games for WS. I would give him no more than 4 if there's no signs of improvement.
But I suspect he'll be here for at least another 10 games, no matter what happens.
And then they'll make the same mistake again with the next guy. |
And by then it will be too late to get promotion. | |
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| Disrespectful I know... on 06:38 - Sep 23 with 246 views | saintwizzler |
| Disrespectful I know... on 23:55 - Sep 22 by Southamptonfan |
And by then it will be too late to get promotion. |
When you have Phil Parsons publicly saying at the fans forum that Southampton FC can’t compete financially in The Premier League what’s the point of promotion?!
‘So building on that everything off the pitch, well we'll continue to focus on actually growing revenues as well because we can't compete otherwise. There's a very very big gap when it comes to Premier League. Used to be three-fold top to bottom. It's now five-fold. Um, so you're up against it.’
Might as well be mid table in The Championship with no VAR than a repeat of last seasons’s horror show.
I thought Solak was a billionaire?
The Sport Republic way. [Post edited 23 Sep 6:51]
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| Disrespectful I know... on 08:05 - Sep 23 with 153 views | Buggalugs |
Anyone suggesting we should be getting Potter in as a replacement for Still really doesn't understand the realities of football. Not a cat in hells chance a Premier league manager on a bumper contract would throw his severance pay away to manage a struggling championship side. Off the scale delusion. |  |
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| Disrespectful I know... on 10:09 - Sep 23 with 69 views | dixiefrog |
| Disrespectful I know... on 08:05 - Sep 23 by Buggalugs |
Anyone suggesting we should be getting Potter in as a replacement for Still really doesn't understand the realities of football. Not a cat in hells chance a Premier league manager on a bumper contract would throw his severance pay away to manage a struggling championship side. Off the scale delusion. |
Potter won’t leave West Ham, he’ll get sacked thereby getting his severance pay. Even if Potter doesn’t come to Saints there are plenty of out of work managers who might welcome the challenge. Gerrard and Solskjær both spring to mind. Both have played and managed at the top level and most importantly will have the players respect. | |
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| Disrespectful I know... on 10:19 - Sep 23 with 49 views | saintwizzler |
| Disrespectful I know... on 10:09 - Sep 23 by dixiefrog |
Potter won’t leave West Ham, he’ll get sacked thereby getting his severance pay. Even if Potter doesn’t come to Saints there are plenty of out of work managers who might welcome the challenge. Gerrard and Solskjær both spring to mind. Both have played and managed at the top level and most importantly will have the players respect. |
Gerrard and Solskjær are way too normal appointments for Sport Republic. | |
| We thought that we had the answers,
It was the questions we had wrong. |
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| Disrespectful I know... on 10:43 - Sep 23 with 32 views | Buggalugs |
| Disrespectful I know... on 10:09 - Sep 23 by dixiefrog |
Potter won’t leave West Ham, he’ll get sacked thereby getting his severance pay. Even if Potter doesn’t come to Saints there are plenty of out of work managers who might welcome the challenge. Gerrard and Solskjær both spring to mind. Both have played and managed at the top level and most importantly will have the players respect. |
Sacked managers don't get a lump sum, they get the remainder of their contracts paid to terms, so on the drip like their salary. When they get another job, that stops altogether and it becomes the responsibility of the buying club to compensate them. He'll be on a serious wedge at West Ham, so there's no way he'll pass up on that unless another more money that sense club pays him his dues. Never in a million years will that be us. | |
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