| Tyler Smith To Return? on 10:51 - Oct 3 with 2932 views | ChaffRAFC |
Also didn't realise Kyron Gordon and Tyler Smith were brothers!
Smith will have worked with Jason Taylor at Barrow last season as well. |  |
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 12:01 - Oct 3 with 2803 views | EllDale |
Might be needed if Walsall don’t want Amantchi cuptied. |  | | |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 12:05 - Oct 3 with 2784 views | D_Alien |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 12:01 - Oct 3 by EllDale |
Might be needed if Walsall don’t want Amantchi cuptied. |
Or, to replace him |  |
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 12:30 - Oct 3 with 2708 views | SaxonDale |
Wonder if this suggests a longer time out for Henderson or a fitness issue with Rodney. |  | | |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 13:16 - Oct 3 with 2530 views | dingdangblue |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 12:30 - Oct 3 by SaxonDale |
Wonder if this suggests a longer time out for Henderson or a fitness issue with Rodney. |
I'd say more to not flog Rodney. Jim mentioned issues with him playing Sat/Tue or Wed/Sat. Amantchi is in no way a like for like replacement for Rodney and I think Smith is more of a match. From what I can remember he is pacey so unlike McBride or Barlow either. Without Rodney on Wednesday we looked desperately short of pace upfront. |  |
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 13:34 - Oct 3 with 2461 views | jonahwhereru |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 12:30 - Oct 3 by SaxonDale |
Wonder if this suggests a longer time out for Henderson or a fitness issue with Rodney. |
Seems hie’s was unattached, so I think it will take more than a couple of weeks to get match and longer to get sharp. Make me think this is a more long view signing than needing to cover injury doubts. He has played lots of football at a higher level, without being prolific. But the same can be said about Devante Rodney.
Interesting, even a sign of strength perhaps.
Having said all that he will start tomorrow. | | | |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 13:44 - Oct 3 with 2409 views | D_Alien |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 13:16 - Oct 3 by dingdangblue |
I'd say more to not flog Rodney. Jim mentioned issues with him playing Sat/Tue or Wed/Sat. Amantchi is in no way a like for like replacement for Rodney and I think Smith is more of a match. From what I can remember he is pacey so unlike McBride or Barlow either. Without Rodney on Wednesday we looked desperately short of pace upfront. |
One factor not yet mentioned in terms of player burn-out is that finishing top of the table will avoid having to play a potential three extra games at the back end of the season when real burnout is a factor. Same for all sides involved of course, but whilst i don't follow what other managers are doing with team selection, i doubt they'll be following the McNulty tinkering policy; at least not to the same extent (the Brackley changes, for example)
This makes it all the more imperative we give ourselves the best chance of taking all three points in every single fixture at this stage of the season [Post edited 3 Oct 13:50]
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 14:51 - Oct 3 with 2237 views | EllDale |
I wonder if that was a factor when the likes of York opted out of the National League Cup. | | | |
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 15:29 - Oct 3 with 2134 views | TVOS1907 |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 12:01 - Oct 3 by EllDale |
Might be needed if Walsall don’t want Amantchi cuptied. |
They're hardly comparable players and we still have Henderson. |  |
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 17:37 - Oct 3 with 1870 views | 442Dale |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 13:44 - Oct 3 by D_Alien |
One factor not yet mentioned in terms of player burn-out is that finishing top of the table will avoid having to play a potential three extra games at the back end of the season when real burnout is a factor. Same for all sides involved of course, but whilst i don't follow what other managers are doing with team selection, i doubt they'll be following the McNulty tinkering policy; at least not to the same extent (the Brackley changes, for example)
This makes it all the more imperative we give ourselves the best chance of taking all three points in every single fixture at this stage of the season [Post edited 3 Oct 13:50]
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Looking at the opening games and the top XI appearance makers for the top three teams:
Forest Green
3 players started all 13 games
2 started 12
1 started 11
2 started 10
1 started 9
2 started 8
Dale
6 started 10 of our 11 games
3 started 9
1 started 8
1 started 7
Carlisle
3 started all 13 games
1 started 12
2 started 11
2 started 10
1 started 9
1 started 8
1 started 7
Soccerbase stats, apologies if anything is wrong. |  |
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 19:01 - Oct 3 with 1707 views | D_Alien |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 17:37 - Oct 3 by 442Dale |
Looking at the opening games and the top XI appearance makers for the top three teams:
Forest Green
3 players started all 13 games
2 started 12
1 started 11
2 started 10
1 started 9
2 started 8
Dale
6 started 10 of our 11 games
3 started 9
1 started 8
1 started 7
Carlisle
3 started all 13 games
1 started 12
2 started 11
2 started 10
1 started 9
1 started 8
1 started 7
Soccerbase stats, apologies if anything is wrong. |
No need to apologise, but those stats aren't able to take injuries into account, and even if they were, the perception of changing a winning formula is far more important than lists of numerals | |
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 19:11 - Oct 3 with 1671 views | 442Dale |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 19:01 - Oct 3 by D_Alien |
No need to apologise, but those stats aren't able to take injuries into account, and even if they were, the perception of changing a winning formula is far more important than lists of numerals |
I was apologising if they were wrong, are they?
Nor have I looked at how many changes those teams made after winning games, but I do know Hughes copped a lot of flak for messing about with selection and formation recently.
If I have doubts, I’ll try and find out if there’s evidence to back it up. Because just saying it is only an opinion which might be incorrect and misinterpreted as fact.
Edit: we changed a winning formula to bring in Bercoe and McBride. We then won again. [Post edited 3 Oct 19:13]
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 19:22 - Oct 3 with 1645 views | D_Alien |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 19:11 - Oct 3 by 442Dale |
I was apologising if they were wrong, are they?
Nor have I looked at how many changes those teams made after winning games, but I do know Hughes copped a lot of flak for messing about with selection and formation recently.
If I have doubts, I’ll try and find out if there’s evidence to back it up. Because just saying it is only an opinion which might be incorrect and misinterpreted as fact.
Edit: we changed a winning formula to bring in Bercoe and McBride. We then won again. [Post edited 3 Oct 19:13]
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There are no doubts about what happened against Brackley, or about our starting line-up against Halifax
You've said so yourself. Perceptions are more relevant than stats
Just as a matter of further interest, Halifax left two, sometimes three players upfield whilst defending corners. It looked like a damn good strategy to me, and the Halifax manager may have decided the stats that have us defending corners with all eleven players back in the box needed to be challenged | |
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 19:30 - Oct 3 with 1602 views | 442Dale |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 19:22 - Oct 3 by D_Alien |
There are no doubts about what happened against Brackley, or about our starting line-up against Halifax
You've said so yourself. Perceptions are more relevant than stats
Just as a matter of further interest, Halifax left two, sometimes three players upfield whilst defending corners. It looked like a damn good strategy to me, and the Halifax manager may have decided the stats that have us defending corners with all eleven players back in the box needed to be challenged |
Yep, disagreed with the changes made in those two games and said as much
I didn’t say that I doubted whether other managers would follow the same “tinkering policy”. I found out that other teams in the top three have made the changes listed above. We look to have been pretty consistent with selection, with mistakes made on two occasions.
Yeah, on the corners it was a great tactic. It made the penalty area less chaotic. And we actually seemed to struggle with that as our players usually thrive on having an opposition to block creating space. We may need to come up with different routines.
Someone should try it against Arsenal too. | |
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 19:50 - Oct 3 with 1551 views | Newbury_Dale |
Not really seeing much of a contribution from Amantchi. He looks very limited technically. Maybe this signing will result in him returning to Walsall ? | | | |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 19:58 - Oct 3 with 1516 views | 442Dale |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 19:50 - Oct 3 by Newbury_Dale |
Not really seeing much of a contribution from Amantchi. He looks very limited technically. Maybe this signing will result in him returning to Walsall ? |
Amantchi returning in January (or before) looks to be more likely that it did a few weeks ago. Can’t be certain of course, but the comments from the Walsall boss allied to his lack of game time lean that way.
He did pretty well only ten days ago against Solihull though, so there’s times for things to change.
If not, the obvious alternative appears unable to make it into the starting XI a few miles away in L2. If that’s not on the radar of player and those at Spotland, it would be a surprise. | |
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 20:00 - Oct 3 with 1511 views | D_Alien |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 19:50 - Oct 3 by Newbury_Dale |
Not really seeing much of a contribution from Amantchi. He looks very limited technically. Maybe this signing will result in him returning to Walsall ? |
It's possible, as i alluded to earlier
In fact... i hope so. Whilst Amantchi was probably seen as a like-for-like replacement should Mani not be available, it appears that Mani is irreplaceable and we might do better to consider a variation in how we set up our attack | |
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 08:55 - Oct 4 with 1099 views | TalkingSutty |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 17:37 - Oct 3 by 442Dale |
Looking at the opening games and the top XI appearance makers for the top three teams:
Forest Green
3 players started all 13 games
2 started 12
1 started 11
2 started 10
1 started 9
2 started 8
Dale
6 started 10 of our 11 games
3 started 9
1 started 8
1 started 7
Carlisle
3 started all 13 games
1 started 12
2 started 11
2 started 10
1 started 9
1 started 8
1 started 7
Soccerbase stats, apologies if anything is wrong. |
Stats are great but the one that stands out is that when McNulty rests players and brings in others we lose the game. He rested the captain and our leader in a rock solid defensive unit and replaced him with a player who hasn't started a league game this season in Wednesdays local derby. He broke up a quality front two in Mani and Rodney and started with one forward. Halifax must have been rubbing their hands when they saw both those players missing. Squad rotation is great but only if you are rotating players of equal ability. [Post edited 4 Oct 8:58]
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 09:18 - Oct 4 with 1042 views | 442Dale |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 08:55 - Oct 4 by TalkingSutty |
Stats are great but the one that stands out is that when McNulty rests players and brings in others we lose the game. He rested the captain and our leader in a rock solid defensive unit and replaced him with a player who hasn't started a league game this season in Wednesdays local derby. He broke up a quality front two in Mani and Rodney and started with one forward. Halifax must have been rubbing their hands when they saw both those players missing. Squad rotation is great but only if you are rotating players of equal ability. [Post edited 4 Oct 8:58]
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We’ve also rested players and won. I don’t see anyone disagreeing that leaving out EEL and Rodney from the start on Wednesday ended up being an error.
The stats were an illustration that other clubs do the same in case there was a doubt they may not.
We don’t play with a front two. Rodney and Barlow/McBride play either side of Dieseruvwe. The other night it was Barlow and McBride. We play three forwards, the two wide of the centre forward drop deeper at times. [Post edited 4 Oct 9:22]
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 11:25 - Oct 4 with 842 views | TalkingSutty |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 09:18 - Oct 4 by 442Dale |
We’ve also rested players and won. I don’t see anyone disagreeing that leaving out EEL and Rodney from the start on Wednesday ended up being an error.
The stats were an illustration that other clubs do the same in case there was a doubt they may not.
We don’t play with a front two. Rodney and Barlow/McBride play either side of Dieseruvwe. The other night it was Barlow and McBride. We play three forwards, the two wide of the centre forward drop deeper at times. [Post edited 4 Oct 9:22]
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Resting Rodney weakens our scoring prowess, you know what i mean. I think everybody will agree we are more of a threat when Mani and Rodney play together. Neither Barlow or McBride can be compared to Rodney when it comes down to their ability to put the ball in the net. There is no doubt about it though, no other manager in the country has made as many changes to their team from one game to the next as McNulty. I also have my doubts that any other manager would rest one of their main strikers and their central defender and captain for a local derby. If you can find me stats on that i would be grateful and also surprised. Other managers make changes for a variety of reasons but i woukd suggest that fatigue after less than a quarter of the season played isn't one of them. He's done that twice now with EEL and Rodney in the first eleven games. Golden rule in football, don't change a winning team. He's deliberatley ignored that twice and we've lost both games. That's a statistic for you. [Post edited 4 Oct 11:30]
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 11:26 - Oct 4 with 841 views | D_Alien |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 09:18 - Oct 4 by 442Dale |
We’ve also rested players and won. I don’t see anyone disagreeing that leaving out EEL and Rodney from the start on Wednesday ended up being an error.
The stats were an illustration that other clubs do the same in case there was a doubt they may not.
We don’t play with a front two. Rodney and Barlow/McBride play either side of Dieseruvwe. The other night it was Barlow and McBride. We play three forwards, the two wide of the centre forward drop deeper at times. [Post edited 4 Oct 9:22]
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No - and as i've already pointed out - those stats will include players being replaced due to injury or suspension, not just to "rest" players
There's no indication of the relative rates of reasons for changes, and to argue otherwise is disingenuous
I' m sure that wasn't your intention, but there it is | |
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 11:34 - Oct 4 with 784 views | 442Dale |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 11:26 - Oct 4 by D_Alien |
No - and as i've already pointed out - those stats will include players being replaced due to injury or suspension, not just to "rest" players
There's no indication of the relative rates of reasons for changes, and to argue otherwise is disingenuous
I' m sure that wasn't your intention, but there it is |
And I wasn’t arguing otherwise. Nor was I saying I doubt other clubs do it without any evidence.
The stats were presented as facts around how many players have played in the relative number of games. If they will include players replaced due to injury or suspension, that could be presented as fact too, rather than an assumption.
For example, Dale would almost certainly have had a seventh player who would have started 10 of the 11 games in Dieseruvwe had he not been suspended against Solihull. | |
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 11:54 - Oct 4 with 733 views | TalkingSutty |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 11:34 - Oct 4 by 442Dale |
And I wasn’t arguing otherwise. Nor was I saying I doubt other clubs do it without any evidence.
The stats were presented as facts around how many players have played in the relative number of games. If they will include players replaced due to injury or suspension, that could be presented as fact too, rather than an assumption.
For example, Dale would almost certainly have had a seventh player who would have started 10 of the 11 games in Dieseruvwe had he not been suspended against Solihull. |
A factor that also needs to be considered is the strength of squad size and the quality of the players waiting to replace what's deemed to be the strongest starting eleven, in comparison to our rival clubs. I don't think we can replace Rodney and EEL with the same quality. I was hoping Amantchi would provide a real goal threat but he played like a human battering ram on Wednesday, the jury is out on him. Hendo seems to have run his race now. EEL is probably playing his best football since he came to the club and Hogan is advancing in years, he slowed us down against Halifax. I'm glad McNulty brought in another forward this week, i think we need another centre half also if EEL needs resting every five or six games. [Post edited 4 Oct 11:55]
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 13:25 - Oct 4 with 551 views | 442Dale |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 11:54 - Oct 4 by TalkingSutty |
A factor that also needs to be considered is the strength of squad size and the quality of the players waiting to replace what's deemed to be the strongest starting eleven, in comparison to our rival clubs. I don't think we can replace Rodney and EEL with the same quality. I was hoping Amantchi would provide a real goal threat but he played like a human battering ram on Wednesday, the jury is out on him. Hendo seems to have run his race now. EEL is probably playing his best football since he came to the club and Hogan is advancing in years, he slowed us down against Halifax. I'm glad McNulty brought in another forward this week, i think we need another centre half also if EEL needs resting every five or six games. [Post edited 4 Oct 11:55]
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Think you’re right about the central defensive position. Wasn’t convinced retaining Hogan was the best option in the summer and his appearances this season back that up. It’s not that he’s been really bad, more that he takes games to get up to speed - we saw that last season. He won’t get that opportunity.
The squad construction has been weighted too much towards the upper half of the pitch. Could br proven totally wrong by the end of the season, but I’m not sure what having Humbles/Mancini bring that Burger or Henderson don’t cover. Maybe one of the two, but both?
A central defender who can challenge EEL and cover Beckwith would have been preferred. | |
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| Tyler Smith To Return? on 13:43 - Oct 4 with 514 views | D_Alien |
| Tyler Smith To Return? on 11:34 - Oct 4 by 442Dale |
And I wasn’t arguing otherwise. Nor was I saying I doubt other clubs do it without any evidence.
The stats were presented as facts around how many players have played in the relative number of games. If they will include players replaced due to injury or suspension, that could be presented as fact too, rather than an assumption.
For example, Dale would almost certainly have had a seventh player who would have started 10 of the 11 games in Dieseruvwe had he not been suspended against Solihull. |
"We’ve also rested players and won..."
"The stats were an illustration that other clubs do the same in case there was a doubt they may not."
Apologies if i misinterpreted what you meant by this, from the post i replied to, but either way, glad you've cleared it up in your subsequent post | |
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