| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 11:16 - Oct 14 with 1122 views | saintwizzler |
Will Still is a good coach?
He needs to get some results on the pitch then PDQ.
Lallana is circling in the wings to step in.
Nothing but a win on Saturday will suffice Mr Will. [Post edited 14 Oct 11:18]
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 11:21 - Oct 14 with 1104 views | DorsetIan |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 11:16 - Oct 14 by saintwizzler |
Will Still is a good coach?
He needs to get some results on the pitch then PDQ.
Lallana is circling in the wings to step in.
Nothing but a win on Saturday will suffice Mr Will. [Post edited 14 Oct 11:18]
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Game's got draw written all over it. |  |
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 11:33 - Oct 14 with 1076 views | saintwizzler |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 11:21 - Oct 14 by DorsetIan |
Game's got draw written all over it. |
Will Still will still take positives out of that. | |
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 11:34 - Oct 14 with 1076 views | PatfromPoole |
This story baffles me.
Jelert looked really good at Anfield.
Certainly a big upgrade on Roerslev, who looks a big waste of about £5 million.
We would have been better off keeping Bree and spending the £5 million on a striker.
QPR are a poor side, but are above us because they bought Kone from Wycombe. He would have been ideal for us. |  |
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 11:59 - Oct 14 with 1029 views | 1885_SFC |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 11:34 - Oct 14 by PatfromPoole |
This story baffles me.
Jelert looked really good at Anfield.
Certainly a big upgrade on Roerslev, who looks a big waste of about £5 million.
We would have been better off keeping Bree and spending the £5 million on a striker.
QPR are a poor side, but are above us because they bought Kone from Wycombe. He would have been ideal for us. |
I've been singing Kone's praises for ages - but Sport Republic own us so there was no chance of getting him in.
Terrific youngster with a big future I reckon. Not sure why SR didn't bring him in as he ticks all of their boxes... especially the most important one which reads 'Very healthy sell-on clause'. |  |
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 12:23 - Oct 14 with 995 views | SaintNick |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 11:34 - Oct 14 by PatfromPoole |
This story baffles me.
Jelert looked really good at Anfield.
Certainly a big upgrade on Roerslev, who looks a big waste of about £5 million.
We would have been better off keeping Bree and spending the £5 million on a striker.
QPR are a poor side, but are above us because they bought Kone from Wycombe. He would have been ideal for us. |
At Anfield we were playing a load of kids, so not so physical.
What is baffling is why we have signed so many players who arent getting in the team, including Jelert |  |
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 12:29 - Oct 14 with 990 views | 1885_SFC |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 12:23 - Oct 14 by SaintNick |
At Anfield we were playing a load of kids, so not so physical.
What is baffling is why we have signed so many players who arent getting in the team, including Jelert |
Probably because those players were signed over the head of Will Still and he had no choice in the matter?
Can't think of any other reason... unless they're not getting along with WS over at Staplewood? | |
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 13:01 - Oct 14 with 939 views | PatfromPoole |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 12:23 - Oct 14 by SaintNick |
At Anfield we were playing a load of kids, so not so physical.
What is baffling is why we have signed so many players who arent getting in the team, including Jelert |
He was up against a highly-rated left-winger at Anfield.
Can’t remember his name but he was pretty quick. | |
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 13:03 - Oct 14 with 934 views | PatfromPoole |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 12:23 - Oct 14 by SaintNick |
At Anfield we were playing a load of kids, so not so physical.
What is baffling is why we have signed so many players who arent getting in the team, including Jelert |
To answer your other point, we signed too many players in positions where we didn’t need to.
But not enough players in positions where we did need them.
Bonkers, really. | |
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 14:08 - Oct 14 with 865 views | MattFinish |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 11:34 - Oct 14 by PatfromPoole |
This story baffles me.
Jelert looked really good at Anfield.
Certainly a big upgrade on Roerslev, who looks a big waste of about £5 million.
We would have been better off keeping Bree and spending the £5 million on a striker.
QPR are a poor side, but are above us because they bought Kone from Wycombe. He would have been ideal for us. |
Totally agree Pat. Jelert had Liverpool’s future star Ngumoha absolutely in his pocket for 75 minutes until he was subbed off
I heard Jelert came off with an injury. Is that why he hasn’t figured since? |  | | |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 16:44 - Oct 14 with 751 views | grumpy |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 14:08 - Oct 14 by MattFinish |
Totally agree Pat. Jelert had Liverpool’s future star Ngumoha absolutely in his pocket for 75 minutes until he was subbed off
I heard Jelert came off with an injury. Is that why he hasn’t figured since? |
Jelert played for Denmark's U19&21 and the full Denmark's squad 3 times.
He's only 22 and has looked promising.
Why do we mess around like this?
These new signings play 'musical chairs' with selection. |  | | |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 16:55 - Oct 14 with 733 views | MattFinish |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 16:44 - Oct 14 by grumpy |
Jelert played for Denmark's U19&21 and the full Denmark's squad 3 times.
He's only 22 and has looked promising.
Why do we mess around like this?
These new signings play 'musical chairs' with selection. |
For sure Grumps, it’s crazy
I think we bought a lot of players of similar standard with no stand out stars so Still is finding it difficult to see who will earn their place
Out of all the new signings this season including returning loan players I’d say only Charles and Jander have made themselves undroppable | | | |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 16:56 - Oct 14 with 729 views | cocklebreath |
Another waste of money, why loan him if you’re not gonna play him? Every year we get 2 or 3 like this. Moronic club making wrong decisions constantly. Fook off sports republic player trading idiots. |  |
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 17:03 - Oct 14 with 712 views | grumpy |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 16:55 - Oct 14 by MattFinish |
For sure Grumps, it’s crazy
I think we bought a lot of players of similar standard with no stand out stars so Still is finding it difficult to see who will earn their place
Out of all the new signings this season including returning loan players I’d say only Charles and Jander have made themselves undroppable |
Hi Matt.
The fans will want to see an improvement after the international break. | | | |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 17:15 - Oct 14 with 699 views | Ifonly |
Again, nonsense to say we have a good squad when we don't have a single fit centre forward.
As for Jelert, on his one appearance when he was given decent time, he played at right back, not left, and he looked our best right back. | | | |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 17:21 - Oct 14 with 678 views | Ron11 |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 12:29 - Oct 14 by 1885_SFC |
Probably because those players were signed over the head of Will Still and he had no choice in the matter?
Can't think of any other reason... unless they're not getting along with WS over at Staplewood? |
I think there's more than a hint of the true situation at Staplewood right there... | | | |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 17:39 - Oct 14 with 656 views | saint22 |
I would say this just shines a light on the bigger issues at our club
This guy looked solid against Liverpool - albeit their second d string he was up against a quality player and dealt with him]
He looked as good if not better than Mads yet now we bin him off
Is he worse than Downs? On what we have seen so far I would say no yet we are done with him already??? | | | |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 18:36 - Oct 14 with 601 views | Ifonly |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 17:39 - Oct 14 by saint22 |
I would say this just shines a light on the bigger issues at our club
This guy looked solid against Liverpool - albeit their second d string he was up against a quality player and dealt with him]
He looked as good if not better than Mads yet now we bin him off
Is he worse than Downs? On what we have seen so far I would say no yet we are done with him already??? |
Indeed. Nick told me that I was writing off Downs too early. But here it seems the club are binning off Jelert after less time and better performance than Downs. So hopefully Nick will be duly critical of the club in his next post  | | | |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 19:35 - Oct 14 with 508 views | kingslandstand1 |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 16:44 - Oct 14 by grumpy |
Jelert played for Denmark's U19&21 and the full Denmark's squad 3 times.
He's only 22 and has looked promising.
Why do we mess around like this?
These new signings play 'musical chairs' with selection. |
Also, possibly more important, it would put future prospective (decent) signings off coming to the club with these clowns in charge |  |
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 23:15 - Oct 14 with 334 views | sledger |
weve binned off our best full backs,gellert cant get a sniff and charlie taylor has been given to a rival,i dont understand this club and still is starting to look dead iffy. | | | |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 09:25 - Oct 15 with 146 views | saint901 |
In my view, what we are seeing is a number of different agendas and plans being imposed upon the parties involved and to date at least nobody is willing to give up their own objectives and pull together toward a common target.
The owners are still in the business of making money and whether that is in football or making widgets, they don't care. It's all about the bottom line and keeping investors happy. That means - in the level of football we are at - buying players and selling them again for a profit. It's a bonus if they get some first team minutes (and perhaps some are given those minutes at the insistence of the owners over the objections of the manager?) because that increases their value.
The "Director of Football" has assembled a squad with little cohesion or process and we have either got 3x or 4x cover for some positions and zero for others, but he is happy because he has stock he can sell and keep the owners happy - and if the team fails to perform he can blame the manager.
The manager is untested at this level and has a squad he may not have chosen. The weakness this brings is that he does not have the experience to get the best from the players he has at his disposal and is therefore experimenting. That is not just with players but with tactics, game management and himself. I think he will be a very good manager in due course - hopefully for us - but there is a period to be endured whilst he is learning.
The players are nervous and that comes across as a lack of confidence in system and themselves and that is why (IMO) we see such inconsistency at the moment. Some will feel that they are playing out of position in a system that doesn't suit them. Some (like Captain Jack perhaps?) are wondering if they can get back into the first team and if not, then where is their future.
So we have all of this going on and a focus on individual jobs, objectives and ambitions and in the meantime we meet teams who have been in the league for a while and know what it takes to grind out results. | | | |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 10:16 - Oct 15 with 113 views | saintmark1976 |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 09:25 - Oct 15 by saint901 |
In my view, what we are seeing is a number of different agendas and plans being imposed upon the parties involved and to date at least nobody is willing to give up their own objectives and pull together toward a common target.
The owners are still in the business of making money and whether that is in football or making widgets, they don't care. It's all about the bottom line and keeping investors happy. That means - in the level of football we are at - buying players and selling them again for a profit. It's a bonus if they get some first team minutes (and perhaps some are given those minutes at the insistence of the owners over the objections of the manager?) because that increases their value.
The "Director of Football" has assembled a squad with little cohesion or process and we have either got 3x or 4x cover for some positions and zero for others, but he is happy because he has stock he can sell and keep the owners happy - and if the team fails to perform he can blame the manager.
The manager is untested at this level and has a squad he may not have chosen. The weakness this brings is that he does not have the experience to get the best from the players he has at his disposal and is therefore experimenting. That is not just with players but with tactics, game management and himself. I think he will be a very good manager in due course - hopefully for us - but there is a period to be endured whilst he is learning.
The players are nervous and that comes across as a lack of confidence in system and themselves and that is why (IMO) we see such inconsistency at the moment. Some will feel that they are playing out of position in a system that doesn't suit them. Some (like Captain Jack perhaps?) are wondering if they can get back into the first team and if not, then where is their future.
So we have all of this going on and a focus on individual jobs, objectives and ambitions and in the meantime we meet teams who have been in the league for a while and know what it takes to grind out results. |
Superb summary of what I also believe to be the current situation with our Club saint901.
Only two points to add in my opinion:-
1. Our owners and their employees at Sports Republic are totally indifferent as to which league we play in given that they are only using any league as a vehicle to display their stock, ie the players. To a certain degree it suits their purpose to be outside of The Premier League for two reasons :-
A.) Their costs ( mainly players wages ) are much lower.
B. ) Their players look better performing against lower league opposition rather than being seen as well below average when attempting to be competitive in The Premier League.
2. Their business model is diametrically opposite to the wishes of the majority of Saints fans who want to see an ambitious team going forward. Their answer to what will inevitably be reduced match day attendance in lower leagues has been to turn St Mary’s into a fun park with ever increasing numbers of remaining spectators providing additional revenue from non football related activities. [Post edited 15 Oct 10:45]
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 10:40 - Oct 15 with 68 views | PatfromPoole |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 10:16 - Oct 15 by saintmark1976 |
Superb summary of what I also believe to be the current situation with our Club saint901.
Only two points to add in my opinion:-
1. Our owners and their employees at Sports Republic are totally indifferent as to which league we play in given that they are only using any league as a vehicle to display their stock, ie the players. To a certain degree it suits their purpose to be outside of The Premier League for two reasons :-
A.) Their costs ( mainly players wages ) are much lower.
B. ) Their players look better performing against lower league opposition rather than being seen as well below average when attempting to be competitive in The Premier League.
2. Their business model is diametrically opposite to the wishes of the majority of Saints fans who want to see an ambitious team going forward. Their answer to what will inevitably be reduced match day attendance in lower leagues has been to turn St Mary’s into a fun park with ever increasing numbers of remaining spectators providing additional revenue from non football related activities. [Post edited 15 Oct 10:45]
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I still don't get the financial sense in wanting to stay in the Championship.
Once the parachute payments run out, the road to financial ruin lies ahead.
I thought that all this Level 1 and gulags nonsense was a means of generating extra turnover to enable us to navigate the FFP rules in the Prem.
Of course, having an insane transfer policy and recruiting inexperienced managers will render all of that irrelevant. | |
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| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 11:49 - Oct 15 with 9 views | SaintNick |
| Will Still Appears To Have Decided Loanee Has No Future At St Mary's on 18:36 - Oct 14 by Ifonly |
Indeed. Nick told me that I was writing off Downs too early. But here it seems the club are binning off Jelert after less time and better performance than Downs. So hopefully Nick will be duly critical of the club in his next post |
Its not the club binning off Jelert or Downs it is the manager, I said elsewhere that you can't judge Jelert on the back of a couple of short sub appearances in the Championship and the same with Downs.
Saints history is littered with players who have made instant impacts and gone on to be legends, it is also littered with players who made instant impacts and then never built on them.
Conversely there are plenty of players who took their time to get going and went on to become club legends, Sadio Mane for instance didnt score in his first 3 appearances for the club and then got his first goal in the 4th League game in what was his 216th minute of football (more if you add his barren game in the League cup).
He would then go 7 games before scoring again, plus a league cup game at Sheffield United where the fans were really on his bag, the rest as they say was history.
Likewise James Beattie in his first season 98/99 just 5 goals in 22 +(13 sub) appearances in the League was ok but not great and then the following season 8(10) appearances saw not a single goal, that is what you call a slow start to a career and likewise the rest as they say is history.
In contrast Manolo Gabbiadini made an explosive start, in his first 3 league games he scored 4 goals with 2 in the League cup final sandwiched in the middle. 6 in just 4 games.
He would not score again in 8 games played in the remainder of the season, the following season he would score 5 times in 36 appearances in all competitions and the following half season score just once.
In his two years at the club he played 25 plus 26 sub games for the club in the League and hit just 10 goals, 4 of those in the first 3 games.
But he is remembered a lot more fondly than he perhaps should be, for those first 4 games plus that winner at Swansea City in May 2018. | |
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