| Trust AGM? 17:21 - Oct 17 with 1928 views | judd |
Am I correct in thinking that the Trust AGM is to be held tomorrow morning?
I cannot see anything on social media that I use, and given the desire of the organisation to be all-inclusive, am finding the behaviour somewhat at odds with what a member-led organisation that is trying to attract further members, should be doing.
This, don't forget, from an organisation that was, for the first time ever, forced to hold an EGM by members using the correctly defined process for calling such a meeting, which was met with delay and obfuscation every step of the way, including emails being sent anonymously. The minutes of the EGM took 53 days to reach members, whereas CAB meetings are reported on in around 2 days of late.
In response to one of two emails sent in by members complaining about a safeguarding issue, an internal series of responses was inadvertently shared with one of the concerned members, the email thread from Trust board members referring to members as "Toxic five" and a "mob". Think about it. Safeguarding concerns leaked amidst abuse of members following the procedure laid down by the Trust.
I am aware that one of these complaints remains outstanding, awaiting a conclusion. Probably the same for the other.
There has to be a reason for the silence, pretty much as the way the process of electing a Trust main board director was pushed upon members ( this decision had been taken before the end of last season from what I am hearing). The EGM was informed that several applications had been received , but when nominations were closed, only a serving Trust board member had actually applied (the aforementioned fait accompli).
If you are a current Trust member reading this, ask yourself if such behaviour of a member-elected board in railroading decision making through without proper consultation and accountability is how you want the Golden Share to be managed. (I think the Community Trust should be the custodian in any case.)
I do hope that the AGM will be quorate - 20 members or 5% of the membership as defined in the Trust Model Rules. |  |
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| Trust AGM? on 17:30 - Oct 17 with 1887 views | D_Alien |
Thanks judd
I have given thought to whether the Trust, as currently "led" can be given responsibility for a Golden Share, and have expressed my doubts previously
I'm also concerned that the Dale board share that view, hence why it hasn't been actioned. There may be an alternative reason, but it'd be useful for all Dale fans to have some insight into that
Your post sets out precisely where we are, and it's all available on record, despite the inadequacies of the Trust minutes from the EGM, which weren't in fact minutes |  |
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| Trust AGM? on 19:24 - Oct 17 with 1729 views | Plattyswrinklynuts |
No email to trust members? No reminders? That really is poor…
The eternal cynic in me would suspect that there appears to be moves afoot to circumvent awkward scrutiny/ questions relating to trust board business (& I’m being very careful about what I say here).
Looks like the “toxic 5” & their trusty sidekicks will have to use their super powers to kick open a few doors… |  | | |
| Trust AGM? on 19:31 - Oct 17 with 1709 views | judd |
| Trust AGM? on 19:24 - Oct 17 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
No email to trust members? No reminders? That really is poor…
The eternal cynic in me would suspect that there appears to be moves afoot to circumvent awkward scrutiny/ questions relating to trust board business (& I’m being very careful about what I say here).
Looks like the “toxic 5” & their trusty sidekicks will have to use their super powers to kick open a few doors… |
I understand that an email was sent out 2nd October but there have been a number of members not receiving trust emails this year. | |
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| Trust AGM? on 20:17 - Oct 17 with 1622 views | TalkingSutty |
| Trust AGM? on 17:30 - Oct 17 by D_Alien |
Thanks judd
I have given thought to whether the Trust, as currently "led" can be given responsibility for a Golden Share, and have expressed my doubts previously
I'm also concerned that the Dale board share that view, hence why it hasn't been actioned. There may be an alternative reason, but it'd be useful for all Dale fans to have some insight into that
Your post sets out precisely where we are, and it's all available on record, despite the inadequacies of the Trust minutes from the EGM, which weren't in fact minutes |
The Trust being given the responsibilty for the Golden Share sounds like a nice idea but that could only happen if the Ogden family could trust the Trust. Can they always trust the individuals on the Trust? Individuals who will be replaced with persons unknown further down the line. Who polices the Trust board members and is there any background checks done on individuals who put themselves forward for influential positions? Positions that give individuals access to members personal details, some of those members will be classed as vulnerable for a multitude of reasons. Positions that give individuals access to finances also. History shows that persons with bad intentions do gravitate towards football clubs, we've witnessed that first hand over the last few years and so have plenty of other clubs. What safeguarding measures does the Trust implement to ensure those in trusted positions are 'clean skins'? I would suggest they don't do anything, no CRB (DBS) checks etc. Flag up a credible safeguarding concern and you're treated like the enemy. So no, i would urge the Ogdens to have a good think about the Golden Share issue, especially now they have forged links with the council and football in the community etc. The Golden Share needs to be watertight when it comes to securing the future of the club, i'm sure the Ogdens will employ the best legal brains to ensure that happens and make the best decision for the club and the Town. [Post edited 17 Oct 20:24]
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| Trust AGM? on 23:07 - Oct 17 with 1450 views | Sandyman |
Received the latest Trust newsletter via e mail this evening.
Nowhere within it is tomorrow's AGM mentioned. Prime time to remind people surely? |  | | |
| Trust AGM? on 06:36 - Oct 18 with 1299 views | judd |
| Trust AGM? on 23:07 - Oct 17 by Sandyman |
Received the latest Trust newsletter via e mail this evening.
Nowhere within it is tomorrow's AGM mentioned. Prime time to remind people surely? |
Just adds credence to the view of underhand machinations. | |
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| Trust AGM? on 09:16 - Oct 18 with 1181 views | D_Alien |
| Trust AGM? on 06:36 - Oct 18 by judd |
Just adds credence to the view of underhand machinations. |
Once again, in the newsletter, there's reference to the Trust publishing CAB minutes
On at least two occasions, these have been rushed out within a couple of days of the CAB meeting. This contrasts pointedly with the 53 day hiatus prior to publishing the EGM "Q&A" non-minutes, citing lack of time, and also citing lack of time for issuance of the Trust newsletter itself
Rank hypocrisy, apparently without even realising the dissonance, let alone whether CAB would rather its own minutes were the valid source for an account of the meeting [Post edited 18 Oct 11:55]
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| Trust AGM? on 09:35 - Oct 18 with 1151 views | judd |
| Trust AGM? on 09:16 - Oct 18 by D_Alien |
Once again, in the newsletter, there's reference to the Trust publishing CAB minutes
On at least two occasions, these have been rushed out within a couple of days of the CAB meeting. This contrasts pointedly with the 53 day hiatus prior to publishing the EGM "Q&A" non-minutes, citing lack of time, and also citing lack of time for issuance of the Trust newsletter itself
Rank hypocrisy, apparently without even realising the dissonance, let alone whether CAB would rather its own minutes were the valid source for an account of the meeting [Post edited 18 Oct 11:55]
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Indeed,one set of CAB minutes they issued contained incorrect information.
I appreciate the enthusiasm, but members should all be treated equally. | |
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| Trust AGM? on 10:20 - Oct 18 with 1067 views | 442Dale |
Has it been confirmed at CAB meetings that those present can release information ahead of the official minutes being published?
If so, does this apply to all involved, not just certain individuals/organisations? |  |
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| Trust AGM? on 10:56 - Oct 18 with 986 views | Dalenet |
Does anybody know who the Trust Chair is? I still don't recall seeing anything since Judd stepped down. |  | | |
| Trust AGM? on 12:07 - Oct 18 with 865 views | judd |
| Trust AGM? on 10:56 - Oct 18 by Dalenet |
Does anybody know who the Trust Chair is? I still don't recall seeing anything since Judd stepped down. |
Things may change after today, but there is a chief executive in place
Who’s Who 2024/2025 – Rochdale Supporters Trust https://share.google/FRCLK7K6zFv4r0SAp | |
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| Trust AGM? on 12:13 - Oct 18 with 855 views | tony_roch975 |
| Trust AGM? on 10:56 - Oct 18 by Dalenet |
Does anybody know who the Trust Chair is? I still don't recall seeing anything since Judd stepped down. |
I think Bob Morrisey has been Interim Chair in 2024/5. Murray Knight reported at today's AGM that the post of Chair is elected by the Board from amongst its number and following the AGM election of the new Board that election would be held. [Post edited 18 Oct 12:15]
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| Trust AGM? on 12:19 - Oct 18 with 836 views | tony_roch975 |
Murray Knight also reported that the award of a Golden Share to the Supporters Trust is still in train and awaits edits to the Club's Articles of Association.
With regard to being quorate it was reported that 18 members were present but that received proxies exceeded the Quorum. | |
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| Trust AGM? on 12:22 - Oct 18 with 828 views | judd |
| Trust AGM? on 12:19 - Oct 18 by tony_roch975 |
Murray Knight also reported that the award of a Golden Share to the Supporters Trust is still in train and awaits edits to the Club's Articles of Association.
With regard to being quorate it was reported that 18 members were present but that received proxies exceeded the Quorum. |
Were proxies in attendance? | |
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| Trust AGM? on 12:33 - Oct 18 with 797 views | tony_roch975 |
| Trust AGM? on 12:22 - Oct 18 by judd |
Were proxies in attendance? |
I don't think so - Murray simply reported that but for the received proxies the meeting would have been inquorate and thus closed. | |
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| Trust AGM? on 12:40 - Oct 18 with 781 views | judd |
| Trust AGM? on 12:33 - Oct 18 by tony_roch975 |
I don't think so - Murray simply reported that but for the received proxies the meeting would have been inquorate and thus closed. |
Thanks. I guess the proxies were allocated to the Trust board members, but I will still check the articles.
35 members pulled together an EGM in the face of an uncooperative board that itself failed to get the minimum number of members to attend an AGM. | |
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| Trust AGM? on 13:03 - Oct 18 with 752 views | judd |
Im sure the minimum attendance is 20 members or 5% of membership, whichever is higher., as.per the EGM requirement.
I think the Trust has to prove it is quorate, not rely on just saying so. It's about transparency. | |
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| Trust AGM? on 13:35 - Oct 18 with 711 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
All this is not a good look for the many lapsed Trust Members or for the Club in general. Waiting to see that things are being sorted. Thanks Judd for keeping an eye on developments.
As an exile away from local gossip, I'm keeping my powder dry before signing up again. | | | |
| Trust AGM? on 13:44 - Oct 18 with 690 views | D_Alien |
Will be "interesting" to see how long it takes to issue minutes of the AGM. Those minutes can then be compared to what was issued following the EGM, in terms of format
At the very least, the Trust is leaving itself wide open to questions of competence, truth, and validity
No doubt there's some good things happening, which the Trust newsletter seeks to advertise, but there's more fundamental issues around governance which just can't be brushed under the carpet | |
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| Trust AGM? on 19:54 - Oct 18 with 379 views | Dalenet |
| Trust AGM? on 12:13 - Oct 18 by tony_roch975 |
I think Bob Morrisey has been Interim Chair in 2024/5. Murray Knight reported at today's AGM that the post of Chair is elected by the Board from amongst its number and following the AGM election of the new Board that election would be held. [Post edited 18 Oct 12:15]
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Thanks for sharing that. | | | |
| Trust AGM? on 21:00 - Oct 18 with 306 views | 100notout |
| Trust AGM? on 13:35 - Oct 18 by Yorkshire_Dale |
All this is not a good look for the many lapsed Trust Members or for the Club in general. Waiting to see that things are being sorted. Thanks Judd for keeping an eye on developments.
As an exile away from local gossip, I'm keeping my powder dry before signing up again. |
Thats a good point about lapsed members. Talking of which - how many trust members are there?
These figures were always published on the trust website but I note the website currently states that the list is "under review" whatever that means.
It can't be difficult to publish how many members there are. We need a strong trust, unfortunately we haven't got one. | |
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