| Is this the fanbase we have become? 09:36 - Aug 6 with 12816 views | Ned_Kennedys |
Disappointed by the mass bed wetting on here this weekend:a number calling for Ainsworth to go after the bloody first match of the season FFS. We are surely better than that.
Loads of negatives about the team and formation yesterday and the post match interview wasn’t great but do any of you think the squad we currently have available is what Ainsworth wants and isn’t the major factor for yesterday? The four experienced centre backs he had at the end of last season have gone or are injured. Laird not replaced. Midfield so weak that Dozzell is in the team.
Judge the guy after 5/6 games when we should have our better players fit and a few new players in the squad inc loans. McClaren had a disastrous start to his season but he was given a chance: surely Ainsworth deserves this? A lot of the current problems are down to those above him at QPR and those problems will remain whoever is the manager…. |  | | |  |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 13:25 - Aug 6 with 2121 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 10:08 - Aug 6 by essextaxiboy |
I agree with the basic sentiment of the OP , been saying all summer we need to see 10 games with transfers decided and how other teams start , no team has ever been relegated before 10 games have been played .
However Ainsworth is not beyond criticism , he got a few things wrong IMO yesterday , selecting Kelman and not Armstrong and less obvious Dozzell and not DM who I have always liked for his attitude and all out effort . Smyth was not fully fit IMO .
His tactics of not pressing them until halfway for example , they made runs across the pitch which when tracked left a hole in behind . The late substitution were a joke and if he was trying to prove a point to someone it backfired IMO.
On a positive apart from Dozzell who is just a spectator I didnt see anyone who looked like they were not bothered
I understand its gallows humour but to hear some of the so called supporters yesterday was soul destroying . Most of the worst ones left at HT .
A 4-0 away defeat to a team still suckling off Prem money is not a disaster. IMO |
That last sentence is an incredible thing to say.
We have fallen so far and lost so pathetically with such consistency for so long that some of our fans view a 4-0 loss away at Watford (which could / should have been been at least 7) as ‘not a disaster’.
I really don’t know what to say about that. A 4-0 loss an a league game should never, ever be tolerated in any way. Let alone going in at half time 4-0 down and the opponents treating the second half like a training exercise. |  | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 13:27 - Aug 6 with 2105 views | Northernr |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 13:25 - Aug 6 by Padulas_Shampoo |
That last sentence is an incredible thing to say.
We have fallen so far and lost so pathetically with such consistency for so long that some of our fans view a 4-0 loss away at Watford (which could / should have been been at least 7) as ‘not a disaster’.
I really don’t know what to say about that. A 4-0 loss an a league game should never, ever be tolerated in any way. Let alone going in at half time 4-0 down and the opponents treating the second half like a training exercise. |
Agreed. If Watford had played the second half in the same manner as the first that could have gone to double figures. We're incredibly fortunate they decided to effectively treat it as an extra pre-season friendly to prepare themselves for their season starting for real next week. |  | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 13:32 - Aug 6 with 2056 views | daveB |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 10:08 - Aug 6 by essextaxiboy |
I agree with the basic sentiment of the OP , been saying all summer we need to see 10 games with transfers decided and how other teams start , no team has ever been relegated before 10 games have been played .
However Ainsworth is not beyond criticism , he got a few things wrong IMO yesterday , selecting Kelman and not Armstrong and less obvious Dozzell and not DM who I have always liked for his attitude and all out effort . Smyth was not fully fit IMO .
His tactics of not pressing them until halfway for example , they made runs across the pitch which when tracked left a hole in behind . The late substitution were a joke and if he was trying to prove a point to someone it backfired IMO.
On a positive apart from Dozzell who is just a spectator I didnt see anyone who looked like they were not bothered
I understand its gallows humour but to hear some of the so called supporters yesterday was soul destroying . Most of the worst ones left at HT .
A 4-0 away defeat to a team still suckling off Prem money is not a disaster. IMO |
Sorry a 4-0 defeat with all 4 scored in the first half is a disaster whoever you are playing
We did the same at Blackpool last season |  | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 13:33 - Aug 6 with 2051 views | Rangersw12 |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 13:21 - Aug 6 by Northernr |
Yeh I think sadly there's a lot to this post Baz, found myself sadly nodding along.
Particularly on the recruitment. As I said in the preview I'd have been quite up for seeing some of this supposed deep knowledge of League One and Two in the acquisitions, but we've only made one of those (Smyth, who was here anyway) and the four players like that we've been linked with (Wing, Forino, Knight, Smyth) are all people who played for him at Wycombe.
Falling over ourselves, and offering multi year contracts, to get people like Begovic and Colback in and acting like we've somehow tempted fcking Dennis Bergkamp into the building and just cannot believe anybody as incredibly brilliant as Asmir Begovic would even give us the time of day is, frankly, fcking weird. |
Let's not forget Begovic is only here because he's got a soccer school opening up in Acton |  | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 13:51 - Aug 6 with 1977 views | daveB |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 12:51 - Aug 6 by baz_qpr |
I have never called for a manager to go first game of the season, I've always believed in giving the manager time. But...
I've never witnessed in my near 50 years supporting the club, such a shambolic pre-season and set up for the first game of the season. The approach of 22 players need to adapt to my old skool way of thinking and playing (rather than the coach adapting to get the best out of his players) He was supposed to be the great motivator Mr Positivity but its all "I will keep us up" "We can be competitive" . I've never seen anything like it. Where are all these lower league Gems, he wants control of recruitment and he has brought in the square root of f-all bar some big "names" 33 and 36 years old who he talks about like he is a Sunday league manager who has a got an ex-pro to come down and play for him.He's lost the dressing room (if he ever had it), He's lost the supporters.
What on earth is there to wait for, I'm really sorry he's made such huge mistakes that look unrecoverable from. He says dont blame the players blame me, well I am and its miles of not being good enough |
I’s sack him today and go cap in hand begging warburton to come back instead we’ll sign some more old farts to play his way and sack him after the Rotherham defeat in November when it will be too late [Post edited 6 Aug 2023 14:09]
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| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 13:56 - Aug 6 with 1960 views | cpgerber |
Don’t forget we did the double over Watford last season, which probably highlights how far we have regessed (I don’t think Watford progressed by that much).
There are mitigating circumstances, certainly the Dunne and JCS injuries (the latter totally predictable, so we should have had a back-up plan. Still think letting Masterson go was a big mistake). But I am also not seeing any progress here. Week in week out its the same issues and the same response from players and manager.
I don’t really know what or how to feel at the moment. Keep supporting the team and hope next game will go better, although I am not very optimistic.
Problem is, I can’t see myself ever supporting any other team in England, so I am in this for life. Unlike some players running down a contract…. |  | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 14:04 - Aug 6 with 1921 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 13:51 - Aug 6 by daveB |
I’s sack him today and go cap in hand begging warburton to come back instead we’ll sign some more old farts to play his way and sack him after the Rotherham defeat in November when it will be too late [Post edited 6 Aug 2023 14:09]
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I agree 100%,
I always think back to that pre-season friendly away at Borehamwood where Warburton had inherited a strike-force of Oteh + Shodipo from my poor memory, and I just thought we are certainties to get relegated in the forthcoming season,
Warburton knew immediately what he needed and went for the likes of Dom Ball, Lee Wallace etc, pro's he could trust, and somehow cobbled together a competitive side in a very short space of time, and this is what we need now, urgently.
I can't see any other option, and if there's a Rangers fan who would'nt take Warburton over Ainsworth and this debacle, I just give up. | | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 14:09 - Aug 6 with 1903 views | ThGrimRanger |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 12:51 - Aug 6 by baz_qpr |
I have never called for a manager to go first game of the season, I've always believed in giving the manager time. But...
I've never witnessed in my near 50 years supporting the club, such a shambolic pre-season and set up for the first game of the season. The approach of 22 players need to adapt to my old skool way of thinking and playing (rather than the coach adapting to get the best out of his players) He was supposed to be the great motivator Mr Positivity but its all "I will keep us up" "We can be competitive" . I've never seen anything like it. Where are all these lower league Gems, he wants control of recruitment and he has brought in the square root of f-all bar some big "names" 33 and 36 years old who he talks about like he is a Sunday league manager who has a got an ex-pro to come down and play for him.He's lost the dressing room (if he ever had it), He's lost the supporters.
What on earth is there to wait for, I'm really sorry he's made such huge mistakes that look unrecoverable from. He says dont blame the players blame me, well I am and its miles of not being good enough |
Amazing how some clubs seem to be able to lose their manager to better jobs, take the compo and then recruit another manager who goes on to do just as well or even better.
QPR has been very badly run in a football sense for years - the owners have thrown good money after bad at the club. They delegated the running and recruitment to others who have done an absolutely shit job and weren't held accountable soon enough.
As a consequence Ainsworth has inherited a shit squad with a number of players that don't giove a fcuk, other players who've been paid for years but will never be good enough and no money to secure the league one players that he'd like to have brought. Just think if the money spent on paying dead-wood squad players for the last 6 years was used by someone who knew what they were doing.
I wish we'd held onto Critchley as he's a decent manager - you watch him go at Blackpool. We have to get it into our heads that this is not all down to the manager but down to how bad our running and recruitment has been. He's left a very decent job to join this car crash.
We're aiming for 21st place this season so there are going to be more downs than ups so lets get behind Ainsworth and see where we are in October. |  |
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| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 14:26 - Aug 6 with 1847 views | Discodroids |
I love me old muckers Essextaxi, PaulParker and Ned, but lads, if it wasn't for watford hitting the woodwork a couple of times, our Goalie doing his finest impression of Rinat dasayev, and them soaking their plates in maldon sea salt and matey bubble bath in the second half, we would have been done by 8.
The Camera lingered on Ainsworth and his F -troop crew mid second half when there was an extended break in play. It was embarrassing. They looked shellshocked.
All shuffling about in despair and looking to the skies in great pain as if hoping for a deity to float down on his Oort cloud with a 1957 Rothmans Football year book to update their Tactics.
With the exception of Paul Hall, (who was delivering an Amphetamine rant into some blokes ear who looked like he wanted to inject a potash of phenobarbital and apple sauce into his skull, he was so fackn bored), Ainsworth and the bloke with the Mick Belker 'Tache, looked as if they had been hit with the Rampton chemical cosh while waiting at the Hotplate to suck their liquified Mousakka supper through a Nesquick straw.
It was painful to watch. Really, really Bad.
A Broken Club Managed by The Love child of Alvin Stardust and Kirk St Moritz.
No plumb line in creation can measure the depth to which we have sunk. [Post edited 6 Aug 2023 14:35]
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| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 14:39 - Aug 6 with 1816 views | essextaxiboy |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 13:25 - Aug 6 by Padulas_Shampoo |
That last sentence is an incredible thing to say.
We have fallen so far and lost so pathetically with such consistency for so long that some of our fans view a 4-0 loss away at Watford (which could / should have been been at least 7) as ‘not a disaster’.
I really don’t know what to say about that. A 4-0 loss an a league game should never, ever be tolerated in any way. Let alone going in at half time 4-0 down and the opponents treating the second half like a training exercise. |
My last sentence was in the context of the whole season and the possible outcome not the game in isolation . |  | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 14:43 - Aug 6 with 1796 views | ted_hendrix |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 14:26 - Aug 6 by Discodroids |
I love me old muckers Essextaxi, PaulParker and Ned, but lads, if it wasn't for watford hitting the woodwork a couple of times, our Goalie doing his finest impression of Rinat dasayev, and them soaking their plates in maldon sea salt and matey bubble bath in the second half, we would have been done by 8.
The Camera lingered on Ainsworth and his F -troop crew mid second half when there was an extended break in play. It was embarrassing. They looked shellshocked.
All shuffling about in despair and looking to the skies in great pain as if hoping for a deity to float down on his Oort cloud with a 1957 Rothmans Football year book to update their Tactics.
With the exception of Paul Hall, (who was delivering an Amphetamine rant into some blokes ear who looked like he wanted to inject a potash of phenobarbital and apple sauce into his skull, he was so fackn bored), Ainsworth and the bloke with the Mick Belker 'Tache, looked as if they had been hit with the Rampton chemical cosh while waiting at the Hotplate to suck their liquified Mousakka supper through a Nesquick straw.
It was painful to watch. Really, really Bad.
A Broken Club Managed by The Love child of Alvin Stardust and Kirk St Moritz.
No plumb line in creation can measure the depth to which we have sunk. [Post edited 6 Aug 2023 14:35]
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Don't ever 'jack It In' posting on here Disc, keep em coming through thick and thin.
**All shuffling about in despair and looking to the skies in great pain as if hoping for a deity to float down on his Oort cloud with a 1957 Rothmans Football year book to update their Tactics.**
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| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 14:49 - Aug 6 with 1762 views | Benny_the_Ball |
No offence Ned but I find these kind of threads condescending. Who are you to criticise the fanbase, especially after being served up that slop yesterday?
Gareth has been in situ since February and the team is getting progressively worse. Fans have every right to complain, that's their prerogative. The tactics are pre-historic and don't suit the players at his disposal. His only hope is to recruit some capable players that fit his style in what remains of the transfer window. However, given the business conducted thus far, I'm not holding my breath. [Post edited 6 Aug 2023 16:27]
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| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 14:52 - Aug 6 with 1741 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 10:16 - Aug 6 by DejR_vu |
Personally, I think the apathy of a large part of the fanbase is a big part of the problem.
Is a supporter someone who dutifully goes along to every game, clapping furiously at whatever slop is served up, or one who, at some point says, enough is enough, I’m not going to sit here every week watching the club being destroyed.
If the fanbase wasn’t so subservient, perhaps these owners would have been long gone, at a time when we were attractive enough to have attracted decent owners. [Post edited 6 Aug 2023 10:17]
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This. I'm more embarrassed by Stockholm Syndrome Supporters who try and always see the rainbow no matter how hard it's raining. | | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 14:57 - Aug 6 with 1725 views | essextaxiboy |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 14:49 - Aug 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
No offence Ned but I find these kind of threads condescending. Who are you to criticise the fanbase, especially after being served up that slop yesterday?
Gareth has been in situ since February and the team is getting progressively worse. Fans have every right to complain, that's their prerogative. The tactics are pre-historic and don't suit the players at his disposal. His only hope is to recruit some capable players that fit his style in what remains of the transfer window. However, given the business conducted thus far, I'm not holding my breath. [Post edited 6 Aug 2023 16:27]
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But its ultimately self defeating isnt it ? . Wherever you sit on this debate we all want improvement and results . I dont see how anybody will improve (at anything really) by being publicly ridiculed and abused. | | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:05 - Aug 6 with 1698 views | kensalriser |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 13:21 - Aug 6 by Northernr |
Yeh I think sadly there's a lot to this post Baz, found myself sadly nodding along.
Particularly on the recruitment. As I said in the preview I'd have been quite up for seeing some of this supposed deep knowledge of League One and Two in the acquisitions, but we've only made one of those (Smyth, who was here anyway) and the four players like that we've been linked with (Wing, Forino, Knight, Smyth) are all people who played for him at Wycombe.
Falling over ourselves, and offering multi year contracts, to get people like Begovic and Colback in and acting like we've somehow tempted fcking Dennis Bergkamp into the building and just cannot believe anybody as incredibly brilliant as Asmir Begovic would even give us the time of day is, frankly, fcking weird. |
Weren't we all kidding ourselves that Ainsworth has a deeper insight into the talent available down the league? I'm going to assume here that QPR, along with every other club in the division, employs scouts. I know if it was my job to know about lower league players I would indeed know all about them and if you gave me a position and a budget I'd be able to give you at least three three choices pdq. I'm going to assume that all Championship scouts know this stuff inside out, and probably more than managers do. |  |
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| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:07 - Aug 6 with 1691 views | Northernr |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:05 - Aug 6 by kensalriser |
Weren't we all kidding ourselves that Ainsworth has a deeper insight into the talent available down the league? I'm going to assume here that QPR, along with every other club in the division, employs scouts. I know if it was my job to know about lower league players I would indeed know all about them and if you gave me a position and a budget I'd be able to give you at least three three choices pdq. I'm going to assume that all Championship scouts know this stuff inside out, and probably more than managers do. |
Well, it seems that way doesn't it mate, but he said it himself that he knew those leagues and would be shopping there so I was quite looking forward to seeing what came of that.
Mind you I'm fast arriving at the point where you just cannot believe anything he says. | | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:07 - Aug 6 with 1690 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 14:57 - Aug 6 by essextaxiboy |
But its ultimately self defeating isnt it ? . Wherever you sit on this debate we all want improvement and results . I dont see how anybody will improve (at anything really) by being publicly ridiculed and abused. |
Nope. Constructive criticism is a key ingredient in any successful venture, particularly when the mistakes being made are glaringly obvious. No successful team has achieved success by pretending everything is rosy and blowing smoke up people's Rs. | | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:15 - Aug 6 with 1644 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:05 - Aug 6 by kensalriser |
Weren't we all kidding ourselves that Ainsworth has a deeper insight into the talent available down the league? I'm going to assume here that QPR, along with every other club in the division, employs scouts. I know if it was my job to know about lower league players I would indeed know all about them and if you gave me a position and a budget I'd be able to give you at least three three choices pdq. I'm going to assume that all Championship scouts know this stuff inside out, and probably more than managers do. |
This, for me, has been the biggest disappointment. I was willing to cut Gareth some slack last season because of the squad he inherited. However, after a decade managing Wycombe, I expected him to know League 1 inside out and to tap into its talent pool this summer. | | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:16 - Aug 6 with 1632 views | essextaxiboy |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:07 - Aug 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
Nope. Constructive criticism is a key ingredient in any successful venture, particularly when the mistakes being made are glaringly obvious. No successful team has achieved success by pretending everything is rosy and blowing smoke up people's Rs. |
I agree "constructive" .
Singing "we're fckin shit" "How shit must you be its only 4-0" "we want our Rangers back" "You dont know what your doing" and ironically cheering when we strung a few passes together .
I am not sure how that works | | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:18 - Aug 6 with 1616 views | traininvain |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:05 - Aug 6 by kensalriser |
Weren't we all kidding ourselves that Ainsworth has a deeper insight into the talent available down the league? I'm going to assume here that QPR, along with every other club in the division, employs scouts. I know if it was my job to know about lower league players I would indeed know all about them and if you gave me a position and a budget I'd be able to give you at least three three choices pdq. I'm going to assume that all Championship scouts know this stuff inside out, and probably more than managers do. |
And I doubt the likes of Begovic and Colback have arrived on low wages. That’s a big part of our budget gone when maybe shopping in the lower leagues might’ve found a few more players for the same kind of outlay. |  | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:24 - Aug 6 with 1594 views | rbee |
I hear what Ned_Kennedys is saying and I have no doubt Gaz will be given a minimum of 5/6 games but the vast majority of QPR fans are not expecting any dramatic improvements in team performances and results during that time.
Us in the vast majority are also not football experts but you don't have to be a football expert to identify many of the mistakes that Gareth made yesterday. Football is a simple game, 11 v 11 and even though the opposition may have better players you can still set up your 11 players to make life difficult for the opposition, frustrate them, make them work hard to create goal scoring opportunities. Let them know that they have been in a game.
The performance and result at Oxford rang alarm bells so loudly that many of us were expecting another poor performance and similar result yesterday. Unfortunately we were not disappointed.
The first game of the new season, away from home, post Oxford required a defensive approach. It required a repeat performance of what we achieved at Burnley and Stoke only a few months ago. No doubt Watford were expecting us to park the bus and would have been surprised by our starting 11 but that surprise lasted for around 36 seconds. Gareth and Dobbo being professional football people should have made changes before the second goal went in.
We all know what Gareth has inherited, we all know that we are not allowed to spend money but that is no excuse for the oppostion beating us so easily.
Our owners are nice people, our owners are wealthy people, our owners are not football people. Our owners appointed a Director of Football to run the football side of the football club for them. Looking at the state of Queens Park Rangers Football Club today you have to say that The Director of Football did not do a very good job. He was hampered by a majority shareholder who thought he was a football person but clearly wasn't.
Both have now gone. We are left with a football club failing at all levels lacking structure, direction and leadership.
A few weeks ago I thought that breaking the Profit and Sustainabilty Regulatations was the way to go, anything to avoid relegation, but now I think we have to reset, employ a wise old head as Director of Football who can hopefully turn the club upside down and get us moving forward once again. We have to accept that the starting point might be from Division One but with a superb training facility and new chapters to write.
Come On Urrrsssss! [Post edited 6 Aug 2023 17:30]
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| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:34 - Aug 6 with 1565 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:16 - Aug 6 by essextaxiboy |
I agree "constructive" .
Singing "we're fckin shit" "How shit must you be its only 4-0" "we want our Rangers back" "You dont know what your doing" and ironically cheering when we strung a few passes together .
I am not sure how that works |
You've gone off-piste. If you re-read the OP's submission you will see that he was referring to opinions on this message board or, as he put it, "the mass bed wetting on here this weekend". He was not talking about chants at the match so we're not addressing that here. There's another thread entitled "Our Rangers Back" which is debating that.
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/forum/300182/andquot;ou | | | |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:41 - Aug 6 with 1541 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 14:09 - Aug 6 by ThGrimRanger |
Amazing how some clubs seem to be able to lose their manager to better jobs, take the compo and then recruit another manager who goes on to do just as well or even better.
QPR has been very badly run in a football sense for years - the owners have thrown good money after bad at the club. They delegated the running and recruitment to others who have done an absolutely shit job and weren't held accountable soon enough.
As a consequence Ainsworth has inherited a shit squad with a number of players that don't giove a fcuk, other players who've been paid for years but will never be good enough and no money to secure the league one players that he'd like to have brought. Just think if the money spent on paying dead-wood squad players for the last 6 years was used by someone who knew what they were doing.
I wish we'd held onto Critchley as he's a decent manager - you watch him go at Blackpool. We have to get it into our heads that this is not all down to the manager but down to how bad our running and recruitment has been. He's left a very decent job to join this car crash.
We're aiming for 21st place this season so there are going to be more downs than ups so lets get behind Ainsworth and see where we are in October. |
Ainsworth set that team up yesterday. That ‘performance’ is 100% on him. |  |
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| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:41 - Aug 6 with 1539 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Is this the fanbase we have become? on 15:34 - Aug 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
You've gone off-piste. If you re-read the OP's submission you will see that he was referring to opinions on this message board or, as he put it, "the mass bed wetting on here this weekend". He was not talking about chants at the match so we're not addressing that here. There's another thread entitled "Our Rangers Back" which is debating that.
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/forum/300182/andquot;ou |
I was referring to those calling for Ainsworth to be sacked after one game and I would add to that those suggesting we beg Warburton to come back to save us.
To be clear though if Ainsworth continues to give team selections, formations, performances and results like yesterday over the next month then of course he should go: he has to get this sorry bunch to perform better and win matches. | | | |
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