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That one is on Marti 17:01 - Mar 29 with 14615 views

The starting line up was never ever going to work.

Having a centre forward, even one as limited as Lloyd would make a difference. Starting Dembele through the middle and with keeping Anderson helping Paal. Doomed to fail. I think today also showed Morrison must start also. And Yang too, given current availabilities.

Another infuriating game when the plan is in place when we are out of the game.

Yes we have bad injuries, but we still could be competitive, it's only Stoke, but we were set up to lose the game.

This is on the manager today, am sad to say.

[Post edited 29 Mar 17:02]

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That one is on Marti on 20:40 - Mar 29 with 1828 views

Rangersw12

That one is on Marti on 20:32 - Mar 29 by rbee
Mentioned in my larger post above. I am not saying my suggestions would have reaped rewards but there were other options available to Marti.

Yeah I think ignoring the sports science hasn't worked out for us in the past ( Chris Willock )

I actually thought we did set up to frustrate but the players played like absolute fannies . No tackles , no running and lost every 2nd ball or 50/50!.

Doesn't matter who starts when they play with no desire and nobody in that squad would have changed the result .

As I've said on another thread this is all about the piss poor recruitment in the summer coming back to haunt us again .

Oh well we've got another summer of FM Nourry digging out the laptop and wasting our budget on more foreign slop.....yey

That one is on Marti on 20:42 - Mar 29 with 1813 views

Northernr

Revisit this in a year’s time.

If you keep changing manager and this keeps happening the manager isn’t your problem.

That one is on Marti on 20:43 - Mar 29 with 1806 views

Rangersw12

That one is on Marti on 20:34 - Mar 29 by mart_Goblin

You make a couple of good points Brian but ultimately, with the aptitude and desire as a team today we would have got beaten no matter how MC set us up.
We don’t have the strength in depth , quality or desire .
And Marti must take his fair share of blame for motivation, plans of action etc. no where near it .

See Fox in an interview just now telling the fans to “stick with us”
We will of course, but all very well in 7 games time when you are off, and us poor sods are watching whoever remains of this carcass in league 1.

The club is a shambles.

Is that the same Fox who seemed to lose every header against their striker even when he had the run on him .

That one is on Marti on 20:46 - Mar 29 with 1795 views

Rangersw12

That one is on Marti on 20:42 - Mar 29 by Northernr
Revisit this in a year’s time. If you keep changing manager and this keeps happening the manager isn’t your problem.

Yeah but the next appointment could be the ONE........

That one is on Marti on 20:53 - Mar 29 with 1749 views

rbee

That one is on Marti on 20:40 - Mar 29 by Rangersw12

Lloyd was fine when he came on.

Again, if Morrison isn't fit why is he wasting a space on the bench?

I agree with what you say about the players but I don't think we set up to frustrate today. We didn't get eleven players behind the ball and deny Stoke the space to play, they played through us and around us far too many times.

Instead we hoofed the ball up the field, chased the ball and jogged back.

[Post edited 29 Mar 21:45]

That one is on Marti on 20:54 - Mar 29 with 1743 views

BrianMcCarthy

That one is on Marti on 20:34 - Mar 29 by Mr_Beef
Fair points, Brian, but t arguably shuffling the decks and probably likely to get the same result. It's hard to see many combinations of the starting eleven and that bench getting much against the majority of this division.

I agree.

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That one is on Marti on 20:58 - Mar 29 with 1721 views

BrianMcCarthy

That one is on Marti on 20:34 - Mar 29 by mart_Goblin

Agree with most of that too, Mart, as I always do with your posts.

There's a few things in there I just don't know enough about to comment.

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That one is on Marti on 21:01 - Mar 29 with 1706 views

Northernr

That one is on Marti on 20:46 - Mar 29 by Rangersw12
Yeah but the next appointment could be the ONE........

From the recruitment operation that spent £3m+ and a 5 year contract on Nicholas Madsen comes… a glorious new manager.

That one is on Marti on 21:02 - Mar 29 with 1689 views

Ned_Kennedys

That one is on Marti on 19:55 - Mar 29 by Mr_Beef
Interested to hear what the plenty of things he could have done differently in terms of who he picked are?

I’d have played Morrison in defence and move Edwards to midfield as he did well there against Leeds. I’d have moved Smyth over to the left and brought Min-Hyeok in on the right. Would’ve started Lloyd up front.

That one is on Marti on 21:08 - Mar 29 with 1661 views

Rangersw12

That one is on Marti on 21:02 - Mar 29 by Ned_Kennedys
I’d have played Morrison in defence and move Edwards to midfield as he did well there against Leeds. I’d have moved Smyth over to the left and brought Min-Hyeok in on the right. Would’ve started Lloyd up front.

But if they are not doing the basics ( running , tackling and heading ) then it doesn't really matter who he picks.

This squad has to be 100% on it to even compete and when were not we get performances like today

That one is on Marti on 21:14 - Mar 29 with 1632 views

rbee

That one is on Marti on 21:08 - Mar 29 by Rangersw12
But if they are not doing the basics ( running , tackling and heading ) then it doesn't really matter who he picks. This squad has to be 100% on it to even compete and when were not we get performances like today

Isn't this partly down to Marti and his team?

As I said in the match thread all the players leaving us in the summer will be looking for new clubs. They aren't going to get the best of deals if they jog around not showing a level of commitment to their current club.

That one is on Marti on 21:16 - Mar 29 with 1618 views

NorthantsHoop

Didn't even do the usual VPN stuff to watch this game and went down the pub with my Palace mate to discuss old times and hopefully them winning a trophy. Let's face it you ain't gonna win a game in this league if you play a vertically challenged forward line against big tall fxckers in this league, when I are we going to learn this lesson, no so time me thinks. It's all so predictable, one goal down game lost. URsss

That one is on Marti on 21:31 - Mar 29 with 1533 views

ted_hendrix

We have a squad of players who are below average for this league.

Yes those same players will win games and even put a run together but no Sir they are not good enough for 40 odd games.

I swear to fck 39 games into the season and we still do not have a recognised striker/ half decent goal poacher.

Fck this do you want to do this again next season In this league or the one below?

Kill me for repeating myself but It's the same year after year,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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That one is on Marti on 21:55 - Mar 29 with 1439 views

Rangersw12

That one is on Marti on 21:14 - Mar 29 by rbee
Isn't this partly down to Marti and his team? As I said in the match thread all the players leaving us in the summer will be looking for new clubs. They aren't going to get the best of deals if they jog around not showing a level of commitment to their current club.

We had this when Beale left and had lots of players in on loan and out of contract and look what happened to them .

The squad has been badly mismanaged , which is nothing to do with Marti . Yes he could have maybe picked Morrison at CB today but ultimately he isn't the issue at the club .

That one is on Marti on 21:58 - Mar 29 with 1430 views

JamesB1979

Our squad isn’t great and bottom 1/3 is our level. But I don’t think these players are full of “bad eggs”. It’s such an easy way out to say the players aren’t trying. I’ve always thought this squad has a decent attitude. Yes performances like today are partly down to the players but Marti has to accept some responsibility. He’s the manager and should set them up right and get them ready for the game. Today was far from that level.

That one is on Marti on 22:42 - Mar 29 with 1298 views

stainrods_elbow

That one is on Marti on 20:42 - Mar 29 by Northernr
Revisit this in a year’s time. If you keep changing manager and this keeps happening the manager isn’t your problem.

I'd suggest all our managers, in different ways, are/have been problematic. Which doesn't mean that the failings stop there.

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That one is on Marti on 23:18 - Mar 29 with 1233 views

JamesB1979

That one is on Marti on 22:42 - Mar 29 by stainrods_elbow
I'd suggest all our managers, in different ways, are/have been problematic. Which doesn't mean that the failings stop there.

We can’t blame Marti for this but we can’t say that he’s blameless either. This is not the same squad of 3 years ago. There no Roberts, Laird as an example. I don’t believe this squad is very good but I don’t think that Dunne, Smyth, Fox, Colback, Varane, Morgan, Anderson are just throwing the towel in are not trying.

That one is on Marti on 23:44 - Mar 29 with 1191 views

Gus_iom

That one is on Marti on 20:26 - Mar 29 by BrianMcCarthy
I'm pretty much the same. If - and we don't know, of course - Lloyd didn't have a full game in him, then maybe he could have started him and see how long he lasted? The other position of worry was Anderson on the left, clearly out of form, and now out of position as well. Maybe Smyth to the left and Min-hyeok to the right? But then that affects the set-pieces. One to sleep on.

But Anderson was decent against Leeds, as was Dembele, when he came on.
As you say, we don't know how fit Lloyd or Morrison really are. Lloyd offers no threat anyway.
I kind of wonder if Marti is sending a message when he brings Madsen on. A bit like someone blinking when being held under duress.
I might pick up on my 10 season long development squad rant soon.

That one is on Marti on 23:47 - Mar 29 with 1184 views

strikerace

I still support Marti. He had no hand to play today due to injuries. My concern is he seems beaten down, maybe by the internal QPR politics we don't see.

That one is on Marti on 23:50 - Mar 29 with 1152 views

stainrods_elbow

That one is on Marti on 23:18 - Mar 29 by JamesB1979
We can’t blame Marti for this but we can’t say that he’s blameless either. This is not the same squad of 3 years ago. There no Roberts, Laird as an example. I don’t believe this squad is very good but I don’t think that Dunne, Smyth, Fox, Colback, Varane, Morgan, Anderson are just throwing the towel in are not trying.

Of that little lot, as I said on the match thread, Dunne's game has really fallen off a cliff of late. Today, Smyth hardly seemed to touch the ball or get involved, meaningfully or otherwise, Fox looked slow and inept, Colback faffed about but achieved the square root of nothing, Varane remains for me as overrated as ever, Morgan looked what he is (a kid still trying to get a foothold in a man's game), and, as for Andersen, the resurrected corpse of his namesake Hans Christian might as well have started for all he brought to the table.

I know a couple of our Oompa Loompas were missing, but does anyone seriously think if Frey had managed to play, we'd have done a lot better?

The players are clearly failing/not at it, but if anyone thinks Marti and Calm are earning their corn right now, they need to check in for psychiatric evaluation.

I expect we'll now clobber Cardiff and people'll be unfolding their Cifuentes banner, but all in the garden is certainly not lovely.

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That one is on Marti on 00:19 - Mar 30 with 1107 views

BrianWilson

That one is on Marti on 21:01 - Mar 29 by Northernr
From the recruitment operation that spent £3m+ and a 5 year contract on Nicholas Madsen comes… a glorious new manager.

Madsen will go out on loan to a league that is more used to his...eh....relaxed style then we will sell him for a small loss. if we can survive Ned Zelic then...

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That one is on Marti on 00:31 - Mar 30 with 1082 views

johnhoop

That one is on Marti on 00:19 - Mar 30 by BrianWilson
Madsen will go out on loan to a league that is more used to his...eh....relaxed style then we will sell him for a small loss. if we can survive Ned Zelic then...

I think “a small loss” is being pretty optimistic if the fee was indeed £3+ million as Clive implies.

That one is on Marti on 00:37 - Mar 30 with 1068 views

numptydumpty

That one is on Marti on 20:42 - Mar 29 by Northernr
Revisit this in a year’s time. If you keep changing manager and this keeps happening the manager isn’t your problem.

i started the thread and its the first time criticised the manager as to the starting line up.

But personally, Marti is absolutely not the problem, I think he has proven to be far and away our best manager in recent times, and i would keep him for as long as we can.

Today, the starting eleven was only ever going to be defeated, and I feel, we could have got something if he had started with Morrison, Lloyd and Yang instead of Fox, Dembele and Anderson.

I trust him to get it right against Cardiff, which is now a MASSIVE game. Three points is a MUST.

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That one is on Marti on 05:09 - Mar 30 with 922 views

NorthantsHoop

That one is on Marti on 00:37 - Mar 30 by numptydumpty

Pretty much as I see it, looked at that starting line up and thought nothing to see here, especially away to an industrial side like Stoke. The next 3 home games against Cardiff, Bristol City and Swansea which are all winnable and key as our away form is woeful. We might get a point at Oxford but with our lot if they go a goal down it usually is game over.

That one is on Marti on 05:40 - Mar 30 with 871 views

Rsole

That one is on Marti on 21:01 - Mar 29 by Northernr
From the recruitment operation that spent £3m+ and a 5 year contract on Nicholas Madsen comes… a glorious new manager.

Nico’s not that bad….look at the stats for those glorious 45 Mins !!!

He’s never offside for example.

Attacking
Total Shots
0
Offsides
0
Expected Assists
0
Key Passes
0
Passes Into Final Third
0
Backward Passes
5
Passes Completed
8/14 (57%)
Touches
22
Was Fouled
0
Defending
Fouls Made
0
Possession Lost
11
Was Dribbled Past
0
Clearances
0
Interceptions
0
Ball Recovery
0

Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?

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