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That one is on Marti 17:01 - Mar 29 with 12773 views

The starting line up was never ever going to work.

Having a centre forward, even one as limited as Lloyd would make a difference. Starting Dembele through the middle and with keeping Anderson helping Paal. Doomed to fail. I think today also showed Morrison must start also. And Yang too, given current availabilities.

Another infuriating game when the plan is in place when we are out of the game.

Yes we have bad injuries, but we still could be competitive, it's only Stoke, but we were set up to lose the game.

This is on the manager today, am sad to say.

[Post edited 29 Mar 17:02]

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That one is on Marti on 12:26 - Mar 30 with 1812 views

Ned_Kennedys

That one is on Marti on 11:09 - Mar 30 by Wilkinswatercarrier

At this stage of the season you want to keep youngsters as far away as possible from this team. They are not ready for 1st team football.

I do think it is funny reading comments on here that some are shocked by the performance or the manner of the defeat and getting angry.
These type of performances have become the norm over the past four years. MC has worked a miracle doing what he has done so far with these players, remove half a dozen OKish players and they haven't got a hope.

I still think MC is the right manager, but when we have comments saying Alfie Lloyd should start, then my God he deserves a fcking medal if we stay up. We've been dog shyte all season.
And that mid season winning run was only because we had two in midfield who could tackle and run, take them out and we are more spongy and even softer.

He'll walk into another job in the summer, and I can only wish him well.

And who would YOU have picked to start up front away at a physical side in Stoke?
Perhaps our only available forward Alfie Lloyd who for all his weaknesses does get stuck in and battle.
Instead we went with one of our mini attacking midfielders.

That one is on Marti on 12:39 - Mar 30 with 1766 views

Rangersw12

That one is on Marti on 12:26 - Mar 30 by Ned_Kennedys
And who would YOU have picked to start up front away at a physical side in Stoke? Perhaps our only available forward Alfie Lloyd who for all his weaknesses does get stuck in and battle. Instead we went with one of our mini attacking midfielders.

Starting Lloyd wouldn't have made any difference to the result.

I mean it's Alfie Lloyd FFS he's game but come on he isn't all that is he .

Plus he is coming back from injury and couldn't be risked to start.

Marti clearly didn't want to start a mini number 10 but that's the hand he's been dealt with by Nourry and the recruitment team .

That one is on Marti on 12:53 - Mar 30 with 1738 views

baz_qpr

It was either play him first 45 or send 45. I think the mistake here was to go for the 2nd 45. Anyway the problem was the midfield and the back 5

That one is on Marti on 12:56 - Mar 30 with 1708 views

lassel

That one is on Marti on 12:26 - Mar 30 by Ned_Kennedys
And who would YOU have picked to start up front away at a physical side in Stoke? Perhaps our only available forward Alfie Lloyd who for all his weaknesses does get stuck in and battle. Instead we went with one of our mini attacking midfielders.

I mean whichever way you cut it, it’s either play Lloyd the first 45, try and nick something and then survive the Alamo in the second half of try and hold out for 60 minutes, bring on a couple of injury limited players and see if you can nick something.

Neither option was going to lead to sexy football being played. And as it was with most of them phoning it in it wouldn’t have made any difference regardless

That one is on Marti on 12:56 - Mar 30 with 1708 views

Mr_Beef

That one is on Marti on 12:39 - Mar 30 by Rangersw12
Starting Lloyd wouldn't have made any difference to the result. I mean it's Alfie Lloyd FFS he's game but come on he isn't all that is he . Plus he is coming back from injury and couldn't be risked to start. Marti clearly didn't want to start a mini number 10 but that's the hand he's been dealt with by Nourry and the recruitment team .

That so many are saying that Lloyd should have started is one of a few indicators of how weak this squad is.

That one is on Marti on 12:56 - Mar 30 with 1711 views

Ned_Kennedys

That one is on Marti on 12:39 - Mar 30 by Rangersw12
Starting Lloyd wouldn't have made any difference to the result. I mean it's Alfie Lloyd FFS he's game but come on he isn't all that is he . Plus he is coming back from injury and couldn't be risked to start. Marti clearly didn't want to start a mini number 10 but that's the hand he's been dealt with by Nourry and the recruitment team .

The argument that whatever players were picked yesterday would’ve made no difference is total guesswork.
I’d suggest picking our only fit forward as our forward and playing a wide player on the left would’ve possibly given us a better chance from the start.

That one is on Marti on 14:11 - Mar 30 with 1598 views

Wilkinswatercarrier

That one is on Marti on 12:26 - Mar 30 by Ned_Kennedys
And who would YOU have picked to start up front away at a physical side in Stoke? Perhaps our only available forward Alfie Lloyd who for all his weaknesses does get stuck in and battle. Instead we went with one of our mini attacking midfielders.

I would have gone with what MC went with. And the fact he started a mini attacking midfielder up front is all we need to know to see what he thinks of Lloyd.

Let's be honest about Lloyd. He is utter shyte for the Championship. If you can't control a ball or finish then you have no right playing at that level.
He is 22 in a month's time, he isn't a 17/18yo learning his trade, he is what he is. Not very good and he isn't going to get any better.
Amazingly though, the less he plays the better he is getting.

That one is on Marti on 14:17 - Mar 30 with 1583 views

Rangersw12

That one is on Marti on 12:56 - Mar 30 by Ned_Kennedys
The argument that whatever players were picked yesterday would’ve made no difference is total guesswork. I’d suggest picking our only fit forward as our forward and playing a wide player on the left would’ve possibly given us a better chance from the start.

He wasn't fit which is why he didn't start

That one is on Marti on 15:43 - Mar 30 with 1462 views

rbee

That one is on Marti on 12:56 - Mar 30 by Ned_Kennedys
The argument that whatever players were picked yesterday would’ve made no difference is total guesswork. I’d suggest picking our only fit forward as our forward and playing a wide player on the left would’ve possibly given us a better chance from the start.

I suggested it last night and it makes even more sense to me today. Missing so many players we should have parked the bus.

Instead we hoofed the ball forward and Dembele, Andersen and Smythe chased it. Stoke regained possession and came forward whilst our players jogged back. Probably the worst tactic we could have adopted.

That one is on Marti on 15:51 - Mar 30 with 1446 views

rbee

That one is on Marti on 11:34 - Mar 30 by LongRanger
I think we underestimate the importance of Cook and Field to this team, anyone know the stats of n points with/without the 2 of them? And when the 2 of them play together? May be wrong but think it would be telling.

At the beginning of the season our stats were best with JCS in the side, all too briefly.

Losing Sam Field was the straw that broke the camels back for me.

However, we got a point against Leeds and we have to show that same fighting spirit during the next seven games. That is down to Marti, his team and the players.

That one is on Marti on 16:10 - Mar 30 with 1372 views

GroveR

That one is on Marti on 14:11 - Mar 30 by Wilkinswatercarrier

This is a phenomena known as the Kelman Paradox

That one is on Marti on 16:37 - Mar 30 with 1298 views

Rsole

That one is on Marti on 16:10 - Mar 30 by GroveR
This is a phenomena known as the Kelman Paradox

Brother of our very own Danny Paradox ?

Both artists in their own fields.

Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?

That one is on Marti on 17:09 - Mar 30 with 1222 views

RangersDave

That one is on Marti on 05:40 - Mar 30 by Rsole
Nico’s not that bad….look at the stats for those glorious 45 Mins !!! He’s never offside for example. Attacking Total Shots 0 Offsides 0 Expected Assists 0 Key Passes 0 Passes Into Final Third 0 Backward Passes 5 Passes Completed 8/14 (57%) Touches 22 Was Fouled 0 Defending Fouls Made 0 Possession Lost 11 Was Dribbled Past 0 Clearances 0 Interceptions 0 Ball Recovery 0

This guys obviously good, give him a 10 year playing contract

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That one is on Marti on 17:15 - Mar 30 with 1207 views

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That one is on Marti on 10:35 - Mar 30 by Dorse
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That one is on Marti on 17:25 - Mar 30 with 1173 views

Ned_Kennedys

That one is on Marti on 14:17 - Mar 30 by Rangersw12
He wasn't fit which is why he didn't start

…….. and yet an hour later he was fit enough to play 50 minutes in the second half.
Miraculous.

That one is on Marti on 17:45 - Mar 30 with 1114 views

Mr_Beef

That one is on Marti on 17:25 - Mar 30 by Ned_Kennedys
…….. and yet an hour later he was fit enough to play 50 minutes in the second half. Miraculous.

There's a big difference between coming on to play a second half against players who've played a half than starting a game. And we're talking about Lloyd here. Perhaps if the recruitment over the summer had been better we wouldn't be relying on him at all. We certainly shouldn't be.

That one is on Marti on 19:48 - Mar 30 with 932 views

stainrods_elbow

That one is on Marti on 12:39 - Mar 30 by Rangersw12
Starting Lloyd wouldn't have made any difference to the result. I mean it's Alfie Lloyd FFS he's game but come on he isn't all that is he . Plus he is coming back from injury and couldn't be risked to start. Marti clearly didn't want to start a mini number 10 but that's the hand he's been dealt with by Nourry and the recruitment team .

For the love of God!

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Playoffs?

That one is on Marti on 20:06 - Mar 30 with 900 views

mart_Goblin

That one is on Marti on 17:25 - Mar 30 by Ned_Kennedys
…….. and yet an hour later he was fit enough to play 50 minutes in the second half. Miraculous.

Yes this is the bit I’m struggling with .

Hence my previous rants about sports science and ‘managing the load’ etc .
If he’s fit then play him . If he ain’t then leave him at home ready for next Saturday .
He looked ok to me for a half .

As I said on a different thread , the whole sports science thing I can’t help feel is people trying to justify their existence half the time .

And (I’m sorry in advance Ned) worth remembering that the whole ‘sports science’ team plus Ben Williams and the team he bought in , are all part of Christian Nourry’s past company and its sister companies . So is the new stadium manager , Box office manager etc etc etc .

And people had the nerve to say ‘jobs for the boys’ to Les .

They might all work and be great . But it’s dangerous ground I think .

That one is on Marti on 20:20 - Mar 30 with 853 views

Northernr

That one is on Marti on 20:06 - Mar 30 by mart_Goblin

There were about a dozen people in our squad photo with the word "performance" in their job title. Like a barbecue rfround Jake Humphrey's gaff. And the physical aspects of our squad - sport science, injuries, injury recovery, relapses, soft tissue and muscle strains - have been fcking atrocious all season.

That one is on Marti on 20:31 - Mar 30 with 802 views

derbyhoop

That one is on Marti on 19:33 - Mar 29 by Ned_Kennedys
There was plenty Cifuentes could have done differently today in terms of who he picked, where he played them, our formation and our tactics. Would’ve liked to have seen one of the development strikers on the bench as an option as well.

Somebody like Petrie?

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That one is on Marti (n/t) on 20:35 - Mar 30 with 791 views

derbyhoop

That one is on Marti on 19:33 - Mar 29 by Ned_Kennedys
There was plenty Cifuentes could have done differently today in terms of who he picked, where he played them, our formation and our tactics. Would’ve liked to have seen one of the development strikers on the bench as an option as well.

[Post edited 30 Mar 20:47]

That one is on Marti on 21:15 - Mar 30 with 722 views

mart_Goblin

That one is on Marti on 20:20 - Mar 30 by Northernr
There were about a dozen people in our squad photo with the word "performance" in their job title. Like a barbecue rfround Jake Humphrey's gaff. And the physical aspects of our squad - sport science, injuries, injury recovery, relapses, soft tissue and muscle strains - have been fcking atrocious all season.

Completely agree.

Bloated staff all round , most (not all) connected in some way previously to the CEO.

Only got to watch us do the previously mentioned pre match horsesh*t in our warm up and see the amount of coaches standing around on the pitch slapping each other on the back whilst we walk through the most basic nonsense ever put into a ‘drill’.
None of which are Marti or Xavi.

That one is on Marti on 22:47 - Mar 30 with 641 views

numptydumpty

That one is on Marti on 20:20 - Mar 30 by Northernr
There were about a dozen people in our squad photo with the word "performance" in their job title. Like a barbecue rfround Jake Humphrey's gaff. And the physical aspects of our squad - sport science, injuries, injury recovery, relapses, soft tissue and muscle strains - have been fcking atrocious all season.

So this dirty dozen of people all employed in some kind of performance monitoring, prevention and evaluation role, so all could have zero injury issues.

Let's save twelve full time employees' salaries, as injury issues were so much more improved, when these clowns weren't stealing a living.

Appreciate all clubs do this now, and it is seen as important, but perhaps the analysts impact requires analysis itself.

[Post edited 30 Mar 22:50]

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That one is on Marti on 22:51 - Mar 30 with 623 views

Ned_Kennedys

That one is on Marti on 20:31 - Mar 30 by derbyhoop
Somebody like Petrie?

Petrie the winger?

That one is on Marti on 09:24 - Mar 31 with 437 views

TheChef

That one is on Marti on 08:36 - Mar 30 by mart_Goblin

Not quite sure why this thread has turned on Madsen for yesterday’s debacle .
I get he is symbolic of the sketchy recruitment over the passed …….oh god knows how long actually, but he wasn’t any worse than anybody else really. And he only played half of the game.

In the cold light of day , yesterday was a shambles and Marti must take his share of responsibility.
But, a lot of what we saw yesterday was dictated by the sports science team and the more I think about it , the more I think these people are stealing a living to justify their existence in such numbers at our (any) club.
It used to be that the physios would try and persuade you that you were fit to play .
Now it seems they try and persuade the player and the coaching staff they are NOT fit to play .
This gives the players huge excuses to spend long periods of time on the sidelines, when really they could get out there and deal with a little discomfort or pain for 90 mins. This won’t always be the case . Cook was clearly playing with an injury . But our clubs’ cloak of relative invisibility regarding injuries ( see Varane recently..anyone really know why he was missing?) gives players another curtain to hide behind on info fed to them from sports science malingerers.

A cynical view this morning admittedly , but sometimes fed up with how our club and football in general is going .

"It used to be that the physios would try and persuade you that you were fit to play .
Now it seems they try and persuade the player and the coaching staff they are NOT fit to play ."

This.

Without going down the "back in my day" route you think of the number of games players played in the 70s and 80s with much smaller squads, often they had knocks and strains but they just got on with it!

And as for the old "yeah but Beale played Willock when he was still unfit and then his hamstring exploded" - well, that is Chris Willock.

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