| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 10:54 - Apr 1 with 1651 views | rbee |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 10:23 - Apr 1 by lassel |
Was it injuries that cause us to have to play with Dunne & Paal at full back and have a central midfield of Morgan-Colback-Varane that the 3 blind mice could play a triangle through? |
You have to include injuries as a part of Saturdays debacle but I would list Saturdays problems in this order
Recruitment - Self inflicted
Tactics - Self inflicted
Player selection - Self inflicted / Sports Science
Injuries - Partially self inflicted from Dubai / Partially luck |  | |  |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 11:04 - Apr 1 with 1595 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 10:23 - Apr 1 by lassel |
Was it injuries that cause us to have to play with Dunne & Paal at full back and have a central midfield of Morgan-Colback-Varane that the 3 blind mice could play a triangle through? |
Odd you pick out Dunne and Paal as one of the major issues from Saturday. Paal was clearly poor but clearly not helped at all by the ridiculous decision to play Andersen in front of him.
And Edwards should’ve been played in midfield instead of Morgan to tighten up the centre.
So not sure what you are going on about. |  | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 11:16 - Apr 1 with 1569 views | Northernr |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 10:54 - Apr 1 by rbee |
You have to include injuries as a part of Saturdays debacle but I would list Saturdays problems in this order
Recruitment - Self inflicted
Tactics - Self inflicted
Player selection - Self inflicted / Sports Science
Injuries - Partially self inflicted from Dubai / Partially luck |
The thing on the injuries that's concerning me is the type of injuries we're getting.
Nobody's getting their leg snapped in a bad tackle (touch wood).
It's all muscle and soft tissue stuff.
And recurrences. JCS, Chair, Cook... |  | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 11:24 - Apr 1 with 1526 views | TheChef |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 11:16 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
The thing on the injuries that's concerning me is the type of injuries we're getting.
Nobody's getting their leg snapped in a bad tackle (touch wood).
It's all muscle and soft tissue stuff.
And recurrences. JCS, Chair, Cook... |
And arguably those injuries occurring more as results go south... |  |
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| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 11:29 - Apr 1 with 1507 views | rbee |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 11:16 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
The thing on the injuries that's concerning me is the type of injuries we're getting.
Nobody's getting their leg snapped in a bad tackle (touch wood).
It's all muscle and soft tissue stuff.
And recurrences. JCS, Chair, Cook... |
It is a concern because our injury record this season is almost the polar opposite to last season and cannot be all down to bad luck. | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 12:02 - Apr 1 with 1441 views | ytt28 |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 18:23 - Mar 31 by simmo |
The worst part for me is that this feels like another step towards Marti not being here next season, and that would be a killer. Not to say he's been perfect dealing with the issues but as the report suggests, he's been asked to cook a michelin star meal with a bag of ingredients that would be laughed out of the ready steady cook studio.
All this means is Richie Rich given further reign to football manager search his way to more stats signings, and bring in a head coach that will accept it. A complete and utter waste of the best manager in over a decade. |
It is all shaping up nicely for young Christian (Nourry not Jesus) to announce himself as the new head coach and saviour. |  | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 12:22 - Apr 1 with 1372 views | thehat |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 09:50 - Apr 1 by TheChef |
Agreed (although it does appear Morrison is still not fit enough to start a game).
Horses for courses innit. Unfortunately the manager still seems to think we can just baller our way to wins in this league rather than earn the right to play through running and competing physically - as it was and ever shall be...
Will end up being his downfall - although I wouldn't be surprised if he's had enough already. |
Yeah I get it Morrison might not be 100% fit but playing a back five means he has less ground to cover and does not need to cross the halfway line unless it is for a set piece.
However I think it goes completely against the Marti grain doing this. But horses for courses.
"It is not the stronger of the species that will survive but the one most adaptable to change" Copyright Charles Darwin..... | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 12:42 - Apr 1 with 1314 views | KensalT |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 11:16 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
The thing on the injuries that's concerning me is the type of injuries we're getting.
Nobody's getting their leg snapped in a bad tackle (touch wood).
It's all muscle and soft tissue stuff.
And recurrences. JCS, Chair, Cook... |
We went through all this on a previous thread.
To summarise:
- Modern sports science believes that soft tissue injuries are totally preventable and shouldn't happen.
- Modern sports science data shows that soft tissue injuries are a greatly increasing problem in the game.
It's a problem for the whole game, not just us.
Either the science is wrong or we need to look at the demands that the modern game places on the players. | | | |
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| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 13:01 - Apr 1 with 1283 views | joe90 |
Thanks Clive, appreciate your efforts, however, reading this report has made me realise the obvious reason I enjoy the previews more than the reports, haha!
I've felt underwhelmed by Marti and have been wondering why considering how loved he is. I realise now that it's not Marti, but it's the team, or should I say, the club. This is where we are and no manager seems able to change that. It's not just QPR that's the problem, it's football in general. The odds are stacked against us. The rich keep getting richer and the poor (or should I say, the clubs that don't generate money or find creative ways of cooking the books) struggle to break even. Having said that, we have made mistake that were within our control - Madsen.
I knew the first time I watched him play that he was not up to the standard. There's a basic level of application every professional football player has to apply. I've not seen it from him once. All the people saying 'there's a player there', there isn't. For the odd few good touches he makes, he is not good enough to justify coasting through games like he does. Andersen I can forgive. He's clearly over the hill, but still has something to offer when he's played in the right position - but the bottom line is, he also shouldn't be playing. But, that is where we are as a club. Marti has a tough job, the owners are trying, but for the love of God, we really need to sort out our recruitment. |  | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 14:00 - Apr 1 with 1213 views | Northernr |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 13:01 - Apr 1 by joe90 |
Thanks Clive, appreciate your efforts, however, reading this report has made me realise the obvious reason I enjoy the previews more than the reports, haha!
I've felt underwhelmed by Marti and have been wondering why considering how loved he is. I realise now that it's not Marti, but it's the team, or should I say, the club. This is where we are and no manager seems able to change that. It's not just QPR that's the problem, it's football in general. The odds are stacked against us. The rich keep getting richer and the poor (or should I say, the clubs that don't generate money or find creative ways of cooking the books) struggle to break even. Having said that, we have made mistake that were within our control - Madsen.
I knew the first time I watched him play that he was not up to the standard. There's a basic level of application every professional football player has to apply. I've not seen it from him once. All the people saying 'there's a player there', there isn't. For the odd few good touches he makes, he is not good enough to justify coasting through games like he does. Andersen I can forgive. He's clearly over the hill, but still has something to offer when he's played in the right position - but the bottom line is, he also shouldn't be playing. But, that is where we are as a club. Marti has a tough job, the owners are trying, but for the love of God, we really need to sort out our recruitment. |
Very much my thoughts as well mate.
On the "why is Marti so loved" etc, the general consensus I pick up among the home and awayers, and it's certainly my view as well gleaned from what little access I've got left to this regime, that it's not really his fault, and he's doing his best with a bad situation.
Personally I think he's saved us from ourselves twice. Once last season, from the post-Warburton debacle and decision to go with Ainsworth, and then again this year, from the summer recruitment operation which has left us with a team that can't even run.
The whole thing is starting to feel very much like the end of Warburton's days here to me.
Warburton was far from perfect, made many mistakes, put his faith in some expensive senior players who let him down, was very stubborn etc. Bombing out Dom Ball and fawning over Jeff Hendrick, for example. Backing and sticking with the Andre Gray and Charlie Austin missteps when Les was minded to ditch the former and bring back Nahki Wells. We were dire through the last half of that season. Even a home win against Peterborough and another against Cardiff would have had us in the play offs.
He was also incredibly unfortunate - five goalkeepers all injured one after the other, Willock's hamstring blow out etc.
Overall though, when you look at the budget we had, Warburton punched his weight here. He had us 13th, 9th and 11th over three years. No manager has managed that before or since. We can perhaps argue a team with Eze, BOS and Chair behind Wells should be doing better, but his centre backs were Hall, Barbet, Leistner and Cameron and Joe Lumley was playing against us in goal.
I thought he was a grown up. Who got the club and the supporters. Wanted to play attractive football on the ground and attack, as per the finest traditions of the club. It didn't always work, but then it's not going to on our budget. When it did click it was fantastic and we had some great games under him.
We ditched him (and another good Championship manager in Eustace) primarily because relationships had fallen apart behind the scenes, and that was primarily because Warburton had told them things they didn't want to hear, about the academy, the people who ran it, the players within it and so on. Perhaps he should have 'played the game' a bit and stuck the odd Aaron Drewe or Sinclair Armstrong on the bench rather than go with five subs at Bristol City, but he had high standards and wasn't willing to compromise on those. That made him difficult to deal with, but standards is something this club badly needs. Mel Johnson left not long after as well, having told them the same home truths about their recruitment. All those people kept their jobs, and drove us off a two year cliff face. I
MO much of what Warburton, and Johnson, thought and said at the time proved correct, and the club is incredibly fortunate the aftermath didn't land them in League One.
I hope not, but I can see us saying the same things about Cifuentes 18 months/2 years down the track.
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| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 14:08 - Apr 1 with 1189 views | KensalT |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 14:00 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
Very much my thoughts as well mate.
On the "why is Marti so loved" etc, the general consensus I pick up among the home and awayers, and it's certainly my view as well gleaned from what little access I've got left to this regime, that it's not really his fault, and he's doing his best with a bad situation.
Personally I think he's saved us from ourselves twice. Once last season, from the post-Warburton debacle and decision to go with Ainsworth, and then again this year, from the summer recruitment operation which has left us with a team that can't even run.
The whole thing is starting to feel very much like the end of Warburton's days here to me.
Warburton was far from perfect, made many mistakes, put his faith in some expensive senior players who let him down, was very stubborn etc. Bombing out Dom Ball and fawning over Jeff Hendrick, for example. Backing and sticking with the Andre Gray and Charlie Austin missteps when Les was minded to ditch the former and bring back Nahki Wells. We were dire through the last half of that season. Even a home win against Peterborough and another against Cardiff would have had us in the play offs.
He was also incredibly unfortunate - five goalkeepers all injured one after the other, Willock's hamstring blow out etc.
Overall though, when you look at the budget we had, Warburton punched his weight here. He had us 13th, 9th and 11th over three years. No manager has managed that before or since. We can perhaps argue a team with Eze, BOS and Chair behind Wells should be doing better, but his centre backs were Hall, Barbet, Leistner and Cameron and Joe Lumley was playing against us in goal.
I thought he was a grown up. Who got the club and the supporters. Wanted to play attractive football on the ground and attack, as per the finest traditions of the club. It didn't always work, but then it's not going to on our budget. When it did click it was fantastic and we had some great games under him.
We ditched him (and another good Championship manager in Eustace) primarily because relationships had fallen apart behind the scenes, and that was primarily because Warburton had told them things they didn't want to hear, about the academy, the people who ran it, the players within it and so on. Perhaps he should have 'played the game' a bit and stuck the odd Aaron Drewe or Sinclair Armstrong on the bench rather than go with five subs at Bristol City, but he had high standards and wasn't willing to compromise on those. That made him difficult to deal with, but standards is something this club badly needs. Mel Johnson left not long after as well, having told them the same home truths about their recruitment. All those people kept their jobs, and drove us off a two year cliff face. I
MO much of what Warburton, and Johnson, thought and said at the time proved correct, and the club is incredibly fortunate the aftermath didn't land them in League One.
I hope not, but I can see us saying the same things about Cifuentes 18 months/2 years down the track.
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Agree with all of that.
Although I think it's fair to say that falling out with people behind the scenes seems to be a constant feature of Warburton's career. But I guess if he didn't have that character flaw then he wouldn't have been here in the first place. | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 14:12 - Apr 1 with 1154 views | Northernr |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 14:08 - Apr 1 by KensalT |
Agree with all of that.
Although I think it's fair to say that falling out with people behind the scenes seems to be a constant feature of Warburton's career. But I guess if he didn't have that character flaw then he wouldn't have been here in the first place. |
Absolutely true. He's a difficult bugger.
But I think that's partly because football and the people within it are often a total joke, whereas he came from a cuthroat investment banking environment where chancers and people who aren't up to it get brutally called out and disposed of. | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 15:04 - Apr 1 with 1042 views | joe90 |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 14:00 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
Very much my thoughts as well mate.
On the "why is Marti so loved" etc, the general consensus I pick up among the home and awayers, and it's certainly my view as well gleaned from what little access I've got left to this regime, that it's not really his fault, and he's doing his best with a bad situation.
Personally I think he's saved us from ourselves twice. Once last season, from the post-Warburton debacle and decision to go with Ainsworth, and then again this year, from the summer recruitment operation which has left us with a team that can't even run.
The whole thing is starting to feel very much like the end of Warburton's days here to me.
Warburton was far from perfect, made many mistakes, put his faith in some expensive senior players who let him down, was very stubborn etc. Bombing out Dom Ball and fawning over Jeff Hendrick, for example. Backing and sticking with the Andre Gray and Charlie Austin missteps when Les was minded to ditch the former and bring back Nahki Wells. We were dire through the last half of that season. Even a home win against Peterborough and another against Cardiff would have had us in the play offs.
He was also incredibly unfortunate - five goalkeepers all injured one after the other, Willock's hamstring blow out etc.
Overall though, when you look at the budget we had, Warburton punched his weight here. He had us 13th, 9th and 11th over three years. No manager has managed that before or since. We can perhaps argue a team with Eze, BOS and Chair behind Wells should be doing better, but his centre backs were Hall, Barbet, Leistner and Cameron and Joe Lumley was playing against us in goal.
I thought he was a grown up. Who got the club and the supporters. Wanted to play attractive football on the ground and attack, as per the finest traditions of the club. It didn't always work, but then it's not going to on our budget. When it did click it was fantastic and we had some great games under him.
We ditched him (and another good Championship manager in Eustace) primarily because relationships had fallen apart behind the scenes, and that was primarily because Warburton had told them things they didn't want to hear, about the academy, the people who ran it, the players within it and so on. Perhaps he should have 'played the game' a bit and stuck the odd Aaron Drewe or Sinclair Armstrong on the bench rather than go with five subs at Bristol City, but he had high standards and wasn't willing to compromise on those. That made him difficult to deal with, but standards is something this club badly needs. Mel Johnson left not long after as well, having told them the same home truths about their recruitment. All those people kept their jobs, and drove us off a two year cliff face. I
MO much of what Warburton, and Johnson, thought and said at the time proved correct, and the club is incredibly fortunate the aftermath didn't land them in League One.
I hope not, but I can see us saying the same things about Cifuentes 18 months/2 years down the track.
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Football can be brutal, hopefully Marti won't be judged on the results and the owners will see the bigger picture. You've mentioned Curbishley before, I think Warburton was our 'Curbishley' moment. | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:17 - Apr 1 with 940 views | eastside_r |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 14:12 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
Absolutely true. He's a difficult bugger.
But I think that's partly because football and the people within it are often a total joke, whereas he came from a cuthroat investment banking environment where chancers and people who aren't up to it get brutally called out and disposed of. |
Hmm, well that’s one interpretation Clive, perhaps I can offer a slightly alternative one.
I am sure you are right that investment banking is full of very ‘strong-willed’ individuals and Warburton is perhaps very much a product of that environment.
Fundamentally, for all its flaws football is a ‘people’ business whereas investment banking is very much not.
Perhaps why Warburton seems to fall out with people everywhere he worked. Not just at QPR, but also at Brentford, Forest, GR and after us West Ham.
(Knowing how pro Warburton this board tends to be, I have toned down what I was originally going to post .) |  | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:21 - Apr 1 with 914 views | TK1 |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 15:04 - Apr 1 by joe90 |
Football can be brutal, hopefully Marti won't be judged on the results and the owners will see the bigger picture. You've mentioned Curbishley before, I think Warburton was our 'Curbishley' moment. |
I do like the poetry of the Curbishley analogy, but it should be remembered that Curbishley turned down the offer of a new Charlton contract - he wasn't sacked or not offered a contract by a club who thought they'd gone as far with him as they could. It just turned out to be true, for both of parties.
His nose was out of joint that Steve McClaren had been appointed England manager when he'd been interviewed and thought himself the best senior candidate. West Ham had also been sniffing around him for years - encouraged I imagine by him, as were Liverpool for a bit. So, that was factor. He was managing WHU five months after his Charlton contract ended.
So, not giving Warburton/Eustace new contracts because we thought QPR could do better than the duo who'd provided QPR's most reliably high second tier placings in a decade was was our own, original hubris. | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:23 - Apr 1 with 896 views | TheChef |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:17 - Apr 1 by eastside_r |
Hmm, well that’s one interpretation Clive, perhaps I can offer a slightly alternative one.
I am sure you are right that investment banking is full of very ‘strong-willed’ individuals and Warburton is perhaps very much a product of that environment.
Fundamentally, for all its flaws football is a ‘people’ business whereas investment banking is very much not.
Perhaps why Warburton seems to fall out with people everywhere he worked. Not just at QPR, but also at Brentford, Forest, GR and after us West Ham.
(Knowing how pro Warburton this board tends to be, I have toned down what I was originally going to post .) |
Agreed on this and had he been better at managing up and "played the game" a bit more to appease some egos, he'd have managed at the club for longer. Theoretically seeing improvements (but like all managers, depending on recruitment and players at his disposal).
Not sure he was our Curbishley moment though! | |
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| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:27 - Apr 1 with 878 views | Northernr |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:17 - Apr 1 by eastside_r |
Hmm, well that’s one interpretation Clive, perhaps I can offer a slightly alternative one.
I am sure you are right that investment banking is full of very ‘strong-willed’ individuals and Warburton is perhaps very much a product of that environment.
Fundamentally, for all its flaws football is a ‘people’ business whereas investment banking is very much not.
Perhaps why Warburton seems to fall out with people everywhere he worked. Not just at QPR, but also at Brentford, Forest, GR and after us West Ham.
(Knowing how pro Warburton this board tends to be, I have toned down what I was originally going to post .) |
Yeh, again, I don't disagree at all mate.
I can see I'm going to end up regretting bringing Warburton up because it'll go off down rabbit holes about whether he did a good job, the overspend in his last season, the fact he didn't get another job after us, he's an arshole etc etc.
The fundamental point I wanted to focus on in comparison to Cifuentes was that in both cases they are managers fulfilling their brief, and punching the weight of the budget they had at their disposal, battling all sorts of problems above and around them at the club, and instead of addressing those problems we ditched the manager in Warbs' (and Eustace's) case and I coming to suspect may do the same again this summer. Those other problems/people remained last time and look what happened to us. | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:40 - Apr 1 with 822 views | andrew1302 |
Everyone knows Andersen is awful and Madsen is worse so why does Marti pick them? Surely it is better to have anyone else on the basis they give it their all. lloyd may well be far from good but his desire cannot be doubted. Madsen and Anderson have neither skill or desire and as a result are simply not worth having on the pitch. They must know the crowd to a person think they are dreadful and are both scared and detached from the game from minute 1 . So why pick them? They are going to get you in trouble. We all know it so why doesn't Marti. | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 17:42 - Apr 1 with 722 views | rbee |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:27 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
Yeh, again, I don't disagree at all mate.
I can see I'm going to end up regretting bringing Warburton up because it'll go off down rabbit holes about whether he did a good job, the overspend in his last season, the fact he didn't get another job after us, he's an arshole etc etc.
The fundamental point I wanted to focus on in comparison to Cifuentes was that in both cases they are managers fulfilling their brief, and punching the weight of the budget they had at their disposal, battling all sorts of problems above and around them at the club, and instead of addressing those problems we ditched the manager in Warbs' (and Eustace's) case and I coming to suspect may do the same again this summer. Those other problems/people remained last time and look what happened to us. |
Don't regret it, it was a good analogy in a superb post. I did get your comparison. Budget and players at their disposal especially in the case of Marti.
Got me thinking about Sir Les, did he walk because he knew Christian was on the way? | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 17:48 - Apr 1 with 713 views | daveB |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:40 - Apr 1 by andrew1302 |
Everyone knows Andersen is awful and Madsen is worse so why does Marti pick them? Surely it is better to have anyone else on the basis they give it their all. lloyd may well be far from good but his desire cannot be doubted. Madsen and Anderson have neither skill or desire and as a result are simply not worth having on the pitch. They must know the crowd to a person think they are dreadful and are both scared and detached from the game from minute 1 . So why pick them? They are going to get you in trouble. We all know it so why doesn't Marti. |
He doesn't pick Madsen, not started a game for months and Anderson is only playing becasue Chair and Saito are out at the moment |  | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 17:50 - Apr 1 with 705 views | daveB |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 17:42 - Apr 1 by rbee |
Don't regret it, it was a good analogy in a superb post. I did get your comparison. Budget and players at their disposal especially in the case of Marti.
Got me thinking about Sir Les, did he walk because he knew Christian was on the way? |
I think Les knew it was time to go, was getting a lot of stick from fans, we'd just appointed a manager he didn't agree with so decided to walk rather than it get really ugly
I don't think Nourry had anything to do with it | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 18:13 - Apr 1 with 651 views | QPunkR |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 17:50 - Apr 1 by daveB |
I think Les knew it was time to go, was getting a lot of stick from fans, we'd just appointed a manager he didn't agree with so decided to walk rather than it get really ugly
I don't think Nourry had anything to do with it |
Agreed. And the ridiculous, spiteful and needless sick he'd been getting had been ramping up for quite a while |  |
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| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 18:56 - Apr 1 with 582 views | rbee |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 17:50 - Apr 1 by daveB |
I think Les knew it was time to go, was getting a lot of stick from fans, we'd just appointed a manager he didn't agree with so decided to walk rather than it get really ugly
I don't think Nourry had anything to do with it |
It is difficult to envisage Les in the current set up though. | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 19:01 - Apr 1 with 579 views | Northernr |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 18:56 - Apr 1 by rbee |
It is difficult to envisage Les in the current set up though. |
Certainly not with his old job title.
Performance effectiveness consultant?
Organisational performance advisor?
"Tech stack" performance monitor?
Assistant to the head of methodology? | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 19:29 - Apr 1 with 539 views | PunteR |
Ferdinand had years working for this club as DoF. We didnt really progress. Beale stitched him up though. The breakdown in relations between him and Warburton is the part where things started unravelling for Les imo. Beale should never have been given the job, but what could they do, they let our most consistent manager finish his contract and go. We didnt have a manager for months. |  |
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