| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 19:56 - Apr 1 with 1358 views | rbee |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 19:01 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
Certainly not with his old job title.
Performance effectiveness consultant?
Organisational performance advisor?
"Tech stack" performance monitor?
Assistant to the head of methodology? |
Head of touchline head scratching |  | |  |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 09:58 - Apr 2 with 1123 views | TheChef |
Was having a chat with a colleague this morning who's a big Grimsby fan - made me feel a lot better about how we'll finish up.
Top of League Two is fascinating though, Walsall were running away with it and they've been on a terrible run of late. All to play for in the top six basically. |  |
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| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:07 - Apr 2 with 927 views | NewBee |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 12:42 - Apr 1 by KensalT |
We went through all this on a previous thread.
To summarise:
- Modern sports science believes that soft tissue injuries are totally preventable and shouldn't happen.
- Modern sports science data shows that soft tissue injuries are a greatly increasing problem in the game.
It's a problem for the whole game, not just us.
Either the science is wrong or we need to look at the demands that the modern game places on the players. |
Admittedly it was a few years ago, but I remember reading a comparison of injury rates in different European leagues and it basically said that differences between countries when it comes to style of play, training methods, lax/strict refereeing etc, didn't have a huge effect on injury rates.
But the one very definable factor was climate. That is, cold, northern countries like Germany and England pick up more injuries, esp soft tissue ones, than is seen in Spain and Italy etc.
Beyond that, it is inevitable that fans will look to the injuries at their own club and consider them worse than others, esp when the team is struggling.
But are QPR really suffering more injuries than other clubs? (Genuine question) [Post edited 2 Apr 16:09]
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| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:18 - Apr 2 with 912 views | NewBee |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 14:12 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
Absolutely true. He's a difficult bugger.
But I think that's partly because football and the people within it are often a total joke, whereas he came from a cuthroat investment banking environment where chancers and people who aren't up to it get brutally called out and disposed of. |
No doubt. But Warburton wasn't operating under "joke" people at Brentford - far from it - yet he still left on bad terms. (The club honoured his contract to the end of the season, where others might have binned him straightaway)
He's a very good coach - with his "own" players, at least - but at Brentford he wanted full control over signings and departures etc, i.e. a Manager, rather than a Head Coach. Whereas the club said he could have a say, but not the final say i.e. he was to work with the players he was given.
And I don't think it's my own bias talking to say that the club has proven pretty good at giving their coaches good players to work with, both before and after Warburton. | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:42 - Apr 2 with 869 views | KensalT |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:18 - Apr 2 by NewBee |
No doubt. But Warburton wasn't operating under "joke" people at Brentford - far from it - yet he still left on bad terms. (The club honoured his contract to the end of the season, where others might have binned him straightaway)
He's a very good coach - with his "own" players, at least - but at Brentford he wanted full control over signings and departures etc, i.e. a Manager, rather than a Head Coach. Whereas the club said he could have a say, but not the final say i.e. he was to work with the players he was given.
And I don't think it's my own bias talking to say that the club has proven pretty good at giving their coaches good players to work with, both before and after Warburton. |
I suspect "Warburton" won't be the first name on Nourry's list if Marti does leave us in the summer.
Which is a pity. Warbs and Nourry trying to work together could be comedy gold. | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:50 - Apr 2 with 849 views | R_from_afar |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 19:56 - Apr 1 by rbee |
Head of touchline head scratching |
Or Head of Inquisitiveness?  |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:55 - Apr 2 with 810 views | R_from_afar |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:40 - Apr 1 by andrew1302 |
Everyone knows Andersen is awful and Madsen is worse so why does Marti pick them? Surely it is better to have anyone else on the basis they give it their all. lloyd may well be far from good but his desire cannot be doubted. Madsen and Anderson have neither skill or desire and as a result are simply not worth having on the pitch. They must know the crowd to a person think they are dreadful and are both scared and detached from the game from minute 1 . So why pick them? They are going to get you in trouble. We all know it so why doesn't Marti. |
"Everyone knows Andersen is awful and Madsen is worse so why does Marti pick them?"
What we don't know is what goes on in training (no laughing at the back, please ).
The two players you mention are particularly bad when we don't have the ball; perhaps if training is heavily skewed towards work with the ball, their inadequacies are not so evident. | |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 18:24 - Apr 2 with 719 views | Rsole |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 16:55 - Apr 2 by R_from_afar |
"Everyone knows Andersen is awful and Madsen is worse so why does Marti pick them?"
What we don't know is what goes on in training (no laughing at the back, please ).
The two players you mention are particularly bad when we don't have the ball; perhaps if training is heavily skewed towards work with the ball, their inadequacies are not so evident. |
It’s an interesting point that you raise because when we broke the back of the last shitty run, we appeared to have a pretty good defensive shape without the ball.
It had clearly been coached and was being adhered to. Sinton made several comments on the subject in games, admiring the shape and how it affected the opposition when attempting to break it down.
Where has that discipline gone and the coaching gone - without the ball ? Despite the injuries and personnel, I would expect the same approach (that was proven to work) should/could still be applied instead of leaving the door wide open.
During the same period, there were positive comments made about systems/passages of play on the right via Dunne, Morgan and Smyth that were clearly producing results. Also gone.
Is this just because different players are starting and coming on or have we just thrown the coaching manual out of the door ?
As my dogs will confirm, I’m easily confused but this one is a real head scratcher to me. |  |
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| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 22:02 - Apr 2 with 565 views | silverbirch |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 17:48 - Apr 1 by daveB |
He doesn't pick Madsen, not started a game for months and Anderson is only playing becasue Chair and Saito are out at the moment |
I’m pretty sure madsen played…no…I’m pretty sure madsen was on the pitch on Saturday.
I think the question of why is a fair one.
Is it because marti thought madsen would improve the team? Surely not.
Is it because the game was gone? Hopefully not, we were playing Stoke. | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 23:27 - Apr 2 with 467 views | Hunterhoop |
It’s because he’s sending a message. Over the last 3-4 months, when does Madsen come one. Rarely in a game we’re winning. It’s a message. Nourry and Hoos know it. |  | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 23:48 - Apr 2 with 442 views | daveB |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 22:02 - Apr 2 by silverbirch |
I’m pretty sure madsen played…no…I’m pretty sure madsen was on the pitch on Saturday.
I think the question of why is a fair one.
Is it because marti thought madsen would improve the team? Surely not.
Is it because the game was gone? Hopefully not, we were playing Stoke. |
He came off the bench when the game was pretty much over and he has no other options. He's not really been turning to him too often in recent months |  | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 00:47 - Apr 3 with 395 views | EN_Ranger |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 14:12 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
Absolutely true. He's a difficult bugger.
But I think that's partly because football and the people within it are often a total joke, whereas he came from a cuthroat investment banking environment where chancers and people who aren't up to it get brutally called out and disposed of. |
Having worked in both football and banking, I can tell you that it’s a similar type of individual that succeeds in both. And both are full of chancers, we just generally understand less about banking as it’s deliberately murky | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 00:48 - Apr 3 with 392 views | EN_Ranger |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 17:48 - Apr 1 by daveB |
He doesn't pick Madsen, not started a game for months and Anderson is only playing becasue Chair and Saito are out at the moment |
Sorry - down voted by mistake, totally agree with you! | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 06:05 - Apr 3 with 307 views | johnhoop |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 18:24 - Apr 2 by Rsole |
It’s an interesting point that you raise because when we broke the back of the last shitty run, we appeared to have a pretty good defensive shape without the ball.
It had clearly been coached and was being adhered to. Sinton made several comments on the subject in games, admiring the shape and how it affected the opposition when attempting to break it down.
Where has that discipline gone and the coaching gone - without the ball ? Despite the injuries and personnel, I would expect the same approach (that was proven to work) should/could still be applied instead of leaving the door wide open.
During the same period, there were positive comments made about systems/passages of play on the right via Dunne, Morgan and Smyth that were clearly producing results. Also gone.
Is this just because different players are starting and coming on or have we just thrown the coaching manual out of the door ?
As my dogs will confirm, I’m easily confused but this one is a real head scratcher to me. |
I think the absence of Sam Field makes an enormous difference to our effectiveness as a team when we’re without the ball. | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 06:29 - Apr 3 with 284 views | Rsole |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 06:05 - Apr 3 by johnhoop |
I think the absence of Sam Field makes an enormous difference to our effectiveness as a team when we’re without the ball. |
Concur 100% - he’s the leader in midfield, sets the standards and raises others.
It doesn’t let the others off the hook though. Colback has plenty of experience for example.
But what’s happened to the coaching of the basics ? That’s seemingly fallen off the cliff as if it doesn’t exist anymore. Either we aren’t doing it or the players aren’t listening.
A couple of months ago, there were clear shifts in our play - with and without the ball. It was more organised, more effective and it got results.
Then - it appears that someone had the equivalent of a Trump Tantrum and threw it all out of the window.
Sure, there’s some mitigation with injuries but surely the replacements are coached in the same systems of play otherwise what’s the point in coaching ? | |
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| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 07:11 - Apr 3 with 255 views | Gus_iom |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 23:27 - Apr 2 by Hunterhoop |
It’s because he’s sending a message. Over the last 3-4 months, when does Madsen come one. Rarely in a game we’re winning. It’s a message. Nourry and Hoos know it. |
Yeah, agree, I said that on one of the threads.
I wonder what pressure managers in general, and Marti in particular, are put under to include certain players in the match day squad.
NewBee questioned whether our injury crisis is actually exceptional, and Les was brought into the conversation.
The failure of our development squad, for years and years and years, to provide players for our manager to turn to, to be a development squad fit for purpose, makes me want to beat my head against a wall, and is, for me, why it was time for Les, someone I would never turn on as such, to go.
For all Nourrys faults, his stance about older development squad players is bang on.
Having said that, I enjoyed the quarter final win the other night, but I'm not convinced any of the lads on display are ready for the physicality of the championship. Oh, for the return of the football combination. | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 08:10 - Apr 3 with 182 views | stevec |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 14:12 - Apr 1 by Northernr |
Absolutely true. He's a difficult bugger.
But I think that's partly because football and the people within it are often a total joke, whereas he came from a cuthroat investment banking environment where chancers and people who aren't up to it get brutally called out and disposed of. |
In a nutshell. |  | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 08:54 - Apr 3 with 142 views | Monkey_Roots |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 23:48 - Apr 2 by daveB |
He came off the bench when the game was pretty much over and he has no other options. He's not really been turning to him too often in recent months |
Madsen strikes me as somebody having a mental crisis.
He just looks dishevelled, like he's just been woken up up and told to go out there and 'feel the fear and do it anyway'.
I do feel sorry for him - I think there is a player in there – when he first joined, there were flashes of assuredness and quality touches, but for whatever reason - form or fear, he's shot.
Fans have given up on him, and he's probably given up on himself... doomed I reckon, shame. |  | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 09:13 - Apr 3 with 105 views | SW_Ranger |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 08:54 - Apr 3 by Monkey_Roots |
Madsen strikes me as somebody having a mental crisis.
He just looks dishevelled, like he's just been woken up up and told to go out there and 'feel the fear and do it anyway'.
I do feel sorry for him - I think there is a player in there – when he first joined, there were flashes of assuredness and quality touches, but for whatever reason - form or fear, he's shot.
Fans have given up on him, and he's probably given up on himself... doomed I reckon, shame. |
If Madsen is in the middle of a personal crisis you would expect that to reflect in his normal weekly training sessions too - resulting in him being dealt with in whatever appropriate fashion was needed.
He clearly can’t perform on the field, in any fashion, as a footballer. So something has to change.
I’d like to think he could come good. I’d also like to think Jo Whiley would fancy a naked dip with me. I’ve accepted neither is going to happen. I can deal with the Jo Whiley situation; I’ve absolutely no idea how the club are going to deal with Madsen saga though. | | | |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 09:29 - Apr 3 with 83 views | TheChef |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 18:24 - Apr 2 by Rsole |
It’s an interesting point that you raise because when we broke the back of the last shitty run, we appeared to have a pretty good defensive shape without the ball.
It had clearly been coached and was being adhered to. Sinton made several comments on the subject in games, admiring the shape and how it affected the opposition when attempting to break it down.
Where has that discipline gone and the coaching gone - without the ball ? Despite the injuries and personnel, I would expect the same approach (that was proven to work) should/could still be applied instead of leaving the door wide open.
During the same period, there were positive comments made about systems/passages of play on the right via Dunne, Morgan and Smyth that were clearly producing results. Also gone.
Is this just because different players are starting and coming on or have we just thrown the coaching manual out of the door ?
As my dogs will confirm, I’m easily confused but this one is a real head scratcher to me. |
As mentioned clearly we miss Field. And Morgan was also a big part of that upturn but as a kid making his way in really his first full season of football, we couldn't continue to lean on him too.
I think what changed was we got to a position of comfort and added to that Chair came back from injury. So Cifuentes felt we were now safe enough to ditch the pragmatic approach and he could try to implement the more attacking expansive game which I think is his preference (and Nourry's?). But it's the Championship, you need to earn the right to play that way otherwise teams will just run straight through you as we have seen.
So results have since fallen off a cliff and we are where we are now, looking over our shoulder. And inevitably the injury list has also lengthened.
Seven games to go! | |
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| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 10:17 - Apr 3 with 20 views | Rsole |
| Injury hit, on the beach and checked out, QPR soundly beaten – Report on 09:29 - Apr 3 by TheChef |
As mentioned clearly we miss Field. And Morgan was also a big part of that upturn but as a kid making his way in really his first full season of football, we couldn't continue to lean on him too.
I think what changed was we got to a position of comfort and added to that Chair came back from injury. So Cifuentes felt we were now safe enough to ditch the pragmatic approach and he could try to implement the more attacking expansive game which I think is his preference (and Nourry's?). But it's the Championship, you need to earn the right to play that way otherwise teams will just run straight through you as we have seen.
So results have since fallen off a cliff and we are where we are now, looking over our shoulder. And inevitably the injury list has also lengthened.
Seven games to go! |
As my dad was fond of reminding me - you can learn the hard way or the easy way - it’s your choice | |
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