| We need a Director of Football 09:19 - Apr 6 with 22139 views | Blue_Castello |
Now I can understand why combining the two jobs of CEO and DOF is a significant cost saving to the club and if you had the right person in the position with significant experience it could work. That person could set the overall strategy for the club ensure it is implemented and not have somebody else telling them to go in a different direction.
However we don't have an experienced CEO and we are paying the price, the issues with recruitment have been highlighted in previews and reports, the imbalance of the squad and the debatable purchases which appear to have been purely analytical driven.
We are currently competing against teams who understand the physicality of the Championship and if you can't match them then you are struggling before the kick off. It feels like the squads been put together by somebody sitting in front of a terminal looking at statistics and not trying to balance the needs of a squad that has to play sometimes 3 games in a week. The point was made by Kevin Gallen on the WLS podcast, the players from the overseas leagues do not have the same loading on the playing schedule and this can reflect in them not being so robust.
Surely enough time has been given to see if the cost saving would work with only one man in charge and we now need to bite the bullet and get a DOF before it's too late. It may not even cost the club a fortune, if we can find a Senior person who has experience of the Championship then they could be employed part time. It would be a difficult appointment to make because they have to work in harmony with the CEO but that's for the board to sort out.
There will possibly be cost savings with a reorganisation it happens in a lot of business when they are restructured, should we really be paying some bloke based in Dubai for consultancy.
Made me smile thinking of Uncle Neil coming back on a part time basis, I think his time has gone but he knew how to put a squad together, that's what we need somebody who understands the demands of the physicality of the Championship and we recruit players who are robust and less prone to injury.
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| We need a Director of Football on 11:03 - Apr 7 with 1342 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 10:55 - Apr 7 by PunteR |
When you are buying cheap then more due diligence is needed. As we've seen repeatedly at this club it never seems the case. Yes it's easy to say things in hindsight but we're talking multi millions of pounds at stake and some decisions just look knee jerk. Everything is disjointed. There's no excuses for Madsen and Celar. Terrible players. Or the culture isn't right behind the scenes, which is also possible. |
Madsden was Marti's choice as he rated him during his time managing in Denmark. What is it I read quute often about 'In Marti we trust'?
The signings which were made in the back of algorithms which have failed didn't take into account that a player that performs well in Switzerland doesn't automatically perform well in England and that is valid criticism.
However, even if you're buying players who have proven themselves at this level and has all the right characteristics to 'fit in' there is still an element of luck involved.
Also shouldn't be forgotten is that being forced to buying cheap often means being forced to make decisions quicker as it broadens the number of clubs who are shopping in the same market. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:04 - Apr 7 with 1330 views | KensalT |
| We need a Director of Football on 10:55 - Apr 7 by PunteR |
When you are buying cheap then more due diligence is needed. As we've seen repeatedly at this club it never seems the case. Yes it's easy to say things in hindsight but we're talking multi millions of pounds at stake and some decisions just look knee jerk. Everything is disjointed. There's no excuses for Madsen and Celar. Terrible players. Or the culture isn't right behind the scenes, which is also possible. |
Greg Spires did an analysis on Madsen for this website back in August and even then was questioning his physicality:
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/queensparkrangers/news/62838
"Physicality
Despite his tall frame, Madsen isn’t the best at utilising it to shield the ball or to muscle in on 50/50 duels. He lacks physical assertiveness when out-of-possession but if paired with Varane or Field, I’m hopeful that this flaw might be masked slightly – although it leaves him open to being targeted by opposition. In addition, he isn’t a high-energy player in the press or in defensive transitions which makes me intrigued to see how Cifuentes, Calm etc. will look to utilise him. We’ve been playing a more zonal defensive structure/ mid-block in recent weeks so he could slot nicely into that, but don’t expect him to be a front-foot presser like Andersen, Dykes & Colback. With his taller frame, he lacks the short area quickness to change direction and beat opponents with sharp turns – but he’s a capable runner over long distances, marauding into space with or without the ball." | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:09 - Apr 7 with 1292 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:01 - Apr 7 by Padulas_Shampoo |
That’s the point… he wasn’t cheap. The basis of my entire argument. |
He won't feature in the top 20 expensive transfers into the Championship this season.
Not cheap for us but still a Lidl buy rather than Waitrose. [Post edited 7 Apr 11:09]
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| We need a Director of Football on 11:10 - Apr 7 with 1278 views | Hunterhoop |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:03 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
Madsden was Marti's choice as he rated him during his time managing in Denmark. What is it I read quute often about 'In Marti we trust'?
The signings which were made in the back of algorithms which have failed didn't take into account that a player that performs well in Switzerland doesn't automatically perform well in England and that is valid criticism.
However, even if you're buying players who have proven themselves at this level and has all the right characteristics to 'fit in' there is still an element of luck involved.
Also shouldn't be forgotten is that being forced to buying cheap often means being forced to make decisions quicker as it broadens the number of clubs who are shopping in the same market. |
Madsen was not Marti’s choice. He was a pure data pick. Andersen was. They had a prior relationship. Don’t think that was the case with Cifuentes and Madsen. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:11 - Apr 7 with 1275 views | PunteR |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:09 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
He won't feature in the top 20 expensive transfers into the Championship this season.
Not cheap for us but still a Lidl buy rather than Waitrose. [Post edited 7 Apr 11:09]
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"Not cheap for us" is the crucial bit. |  |
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| We need a Director of Football on 11:13 - Apr 7 with 1256 views | Northernr |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:03 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
Madsden was Marti's choice as he rated him during his time managing in Denmark. What is it I read quute often about 'In Marti we trust'?
The signings which were made in the back of algorithms which have failed didn't take into account that a player that performs well in Switzerland doesn't automatically perform well in England and that is valid criticism.
However, even if you're buying players who have proven themselves at this level and has all the right characteristics to 'fit in' there is still an element of luck involved.
Also shouldn't be forgotten is that being forced to buying cheap often means being forced to make decisions quicker as it broadens the number of clubs who are shopping in the same market. |
Are you mixing up our under performing Danes there? |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:14 - Apr 7 with 1234 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:03 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
Madsden was Marti's choice as he rated him during his time managing in Denmark. What is it I read quute often about 'In Marti we trust'?
The signings which were made in the back of algorithms which have failed didn't take into account that a player that performs well in Switzerland doesn't automatically perform well in England and that is valid criticism.
However, even if you're buying players who have proven themselves at this level and has all the right characteristics to 'fit in' there is still an element of luck involved.
Also shouldn't be forgotten is that being forced to buying cheap often means being forced to make decisions quicker as it broadens the number of clubs who are shopping in the same market. |
I’d rather not get drawn into a debate about ‘who signs the players’ because that’s been done to death on here.
But… if what you’re suggesting is correct, the implication is they had so few options thrown up by the (presumably costly) recruitment network that they ended up spunking their biggest financial bet on a player purely based on anecdotal feedback from the head coach.
I don’t believe that for a single millisecond given Marti’s total disinterest in picking him for the back two thirds of this season but even if it were true it’s still rather damning of the recruitment network and even more so Nourry’s decision making anyway. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:18 - Apr 7 with 1208 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:09 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
He won't feature in the top 20 expensive transfers into the Championship this season.
Not cheap for us but still a Lidl buy rather than Waitrose. [Post edited 7 Apr 11:09]
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Absolute nonsense.
No player we’ll sign will feature in that list because we have no parachute payments, a small stadium and modest turnover. Therefore the P&S rules effectively don’t allow us to appear on that list.
By our own standards (which are the only ones relevant) he was a big money signing. More due diligence should have been done on him than any player that we’ve signed in the last decade. | | | |
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| We need a Director of Football on 11:25 - Apr 7 with 1185 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:18 - Apr 7 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Absolute nonsense.
No player we’ll sign will feature in that list because we have no parachute payments, a small stadium and modest turnover. Therefore the P&S rules effectively don’t allow us to appear on that list.
By our own standards (which are the only ones relevant) he was a big money signing. More due diligence should have been done on him than any player that we’ve signed in the last decade. |
So it's nonsense but you agree that although he wasn't cheap for us he was in the grand scheme of things?
What am I missing?
He was also a Marti signing. [Post edited 7 Apr 11:27]
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| We need a Director of Football on 11:31 - Apr 7 with 1150 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:25 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
So it's nonsense but you agree that although he wasn't cheap for us he was in the grand scheme of things?
What am I missing?
He was also a Marti signing. [Post edited 7 Apr 11:27]
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You’re missing the % of our allowable losses that Madsen’s transfer fee takes up over a three year period which relative to almost every signing we've made for the last 5/6 years is very high.
He was a huge bet for this football club. They had to be very confident in the player to justify spending that money. And look who they got for it. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:33 - Apr 7 with 1141 views | lassel |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:03 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
Madsden was Marti's choice as he rated him during his time managing in Denmark. What is it I read quute often about 'In Marti we trust'?
The signings which were made in the back of algorithms which have failed didn't take into account that a player that performs well in Switzerland doesn't automatically perform well in England and that is valid criticism.
However, even if you're buying players who have proven themselves at this level and has all the right characteristics to 'fit in' there is still an element of luck involved.
Also shouldn't be forgotten is that being forced to buying cheap often means being forced to make decisions quicker as it broadens the number of clubs who are shopping in the same market. |
Of course what you say about all signings being a gamble is true - at Hammarby, they’ve had a few stinkers and some big hits and they come from the same system. As said, I have some level of sympathy therefore with Nourry on the recruitment front, especially as he is just acting on recommendations from Belk et al.
My issue, as discussed previously is the lopsided team they’ve put together. I actually don’t think Celar is that bad a signing, which puts me in a minority. His game though is to get to the penalty spot ASAP and he has historically fed off players getting up alongside him and putting in quick balls. Saito & Dembele could in theory do that job but with us having no RB of note and only Paal to phone it in at LB we need the wider players in the 3 behind the striker to be mindful of their defensive duties rather than bombing on to help out up top.
We have then also left ourselves with the only first team backup striker being Frey who is the polar opposite of Celar and requires yet again a completely different setup to have any success and ultimately that does raise questions about the overall ethos behind the scenes. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:33 - Apr 7 with 1138 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
Is anyone else getting a whiff of the Paladini’s here?
Strange arguments, strange claims, strange time. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:36 - Apr 7 with 1123 views | lassel |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:25 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
So it's nonsense but you agree that although he wasn't cheap for us he was in the grand scheme of things?
What am I missing?
He was also a Marti signing. [Post edited 7 Apr 11:27]
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You seem to be doubling down Steve on the mistake that Madsen was linked to Cifuentes. It was Andersen who he had a previous relationship with at Aab.
Madsen was on paper a sure bet signing from Belk - he clearly looks great in the pivot tables as he had plenty of interest. It was only us who firmed that up though as we are purely data driven under Nourry and everyone else went to see him play and decided against signing him. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:36 - Apr 7 with 1120 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:25 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
So it's nonsense but you agree that although he wasn't cheap for us he was in the grand scheme of things?
What am I missing?
He was also a Marti signing. [Post edited 7 Apr 11:27]
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If they’ve trusted - entirely - the head coach to spend the biggest transfer fee they’ve outlaid for several years, may I ask what Nourry and Belk and the rest of the recruitment analysts actually do? You’re using that as a get out for them but I would argue it’s even more damning upon them. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:45 - Apr 7 with 1090 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:36 - Apr 7 by lassel |
You seem to be doubling down Steve on the mistake that Madsen was linked to Cifuentes. It was Andersen who he had a previous relationship with at Aab.
Madsen was on paper a sure bet signing from Belk - he clearly looks great in the pivot tables as he had plenty of interest. It was only us who firmed that up though as we are purely data driven under Nourry and everyone else went to see him play and decided against signing him. |
Anderson was at Aalberg but it would be ludicrous to suggest that Marti didn't pay attention to what was happening elsewhere in the league.
It is possible that Madsen did appear on Belk's list but there's absolutely no way Marti wasn't aware of him already and consulted.
We may have even paid more because of how much Marti praised him.
If Marti had said he didn't want Madsden he wouldn't be playing for us. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:47 - Apr 7 with 1084 views | Northernr |
If we're just gonna make stuff up then I'm very much looking forward to taking Jennifer Aniston with me to Oxford United on Wednesday.
She might even pay more for her ticket because I'm such a fcking laugh riot to stand with at QPR away games. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:49 - Apr 7 with 1071 views | GaryHaddock |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:33 - Apr 7 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Is anyone else getting a whiff of the Paladini’s here?
Strange arguments, strange claims, strange time. |
There is either some hanky panky going on, which has happened before to be fair, or more likely in my opinion people just fall to their knees in the presence of wealthy businessmen in whatever field qualified or not.
Sorry to bring it up again but Les, a working class lad, got no such grace after the same amount of time. [Post edited 7 Apr 11:50]
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| We need a Director of Football on 11:55 - Apr 7 with 1035 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:47 - Apr 7 by Northernr |
If we're just gonna make stuff up then I'm very much looking forward to taking Jennifer Aniston with me to Oxford United on Wednesday.
She might even pay more for her ticket because I'm such a fcking laugh riot to stand with at QPR away games. |
Oh man, she'd talk all the way through, wouldn't she? |  |
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| We need a Director of Football on 11:57 - Apr 7 with 1020 views | lassel |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:45 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
Anderson was at Aalberg but it would be ludicrous to suggest that Marti didn't pay attention to what was happening elsewhere in the league.
It is possible that Madsen did appear on Belk's list but there's absolutely no way Marti wasn't aware of him already and consulted.
We may have even paid more because of how much Marti praised him.
If Marti had said he didn't want Madsden he wouldn't be playing for us. |
Steve, Madsen wasn’t playing in Denmark when Cifuentes was managing there, he was on loan in Holland…
As said I have actually agreed with a chunk of your points, but on this one you are simply wrong. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:03 - Apr 7 with 964 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:57 - Apr 7 by lassel |
Steve, Madsen wasn’t playing in Denmark when Cifuentes was managing there, he was on loan in Holland…
As said I have actually agreed with a chunk of your points, but on this one you are simply wrong. |
You're forgetting a key part here...
The Swedish League is a summer league, the Danish League is a winter.
It's how people in Malmo and Copenhagen have 2-3 decent teams to watch on their doorstep throughout the year.
Do you believe that a self confessed Football nerd like Marti wasn't travelling over to Denmark to watch matches or watching them on TV?
He knew all about Madsden and gave the final 'yes' to signing him. [Post edited 7 Apr 12:05]
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| We need a Director of Football on 12:28 - Apr 7 with 874 views | lassel |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:03 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
You're forgetting a key part here...
The Swedish League is a summer league, the Danish League is a winter.
It's how people in Malmo and Copenhagen have 2-3 decent teams to watch on their doorstep throughout the year.
Do you believe that a self confessed Football nerd like Marti wasn't travelling over to Denmark to watch matches or watching them on TV?
He knew all about Madsden and gave the final 'yes' to signing him. [Post edited 7 Apr 12:05]
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I like the idea that Cifuentes was spending his off time trekking from his home in Catalonia to Jutland to watch a Superliga bench warmer as much as the next guy, but as Norf says, we are getting into the realms of fantasy now. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:31 - Apr 7 with 856 views | peterlund_dk |
When Cifuentes was managing Hammarby in Sweden, Madsen was playing at Heerenveen and Westerlo. Not the Danish league. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:33 - Apr 7 with 848 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:28 - Apr 7 by lassel |
I like the idea that Cifuentes was spending his off time trekking from his home in Catalonia to Jutland to watch a Superliga bench warmer as much as the next guy, but as Norf says, we are getting into the realms of fantasy now. |
Except we're not, are we.
We agree on everything else it seems but will have to accept that there's the cliche 'his truth' 'their truth' and 'The truth' and agree to disagree on this.
After all, some recollections may vary as HMQ said 👍 | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:39 - Apr 7 with 820 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:31 - Apr 7 by peterlund_dk |
When Cifuentes was managing Hammarby in Sweden, Madsen was playing at Heerenveen and Westerlo. Not the Danish league. |
Madsen signed a 3 year deal with a club renowned for their successful youth policy at 15 years old.
You can believe what you want but I would find it impossible to believe that Madsden wasn’t being touted as one-to-watch and Marti didn't make friends in Denmark.
If you're also watching matches in Denmark at the time Marti was and within the company he was keeping you know about him.
As I say, you can believe what you want.
Marti is more sinned against than sinner but he's not got everything right. [Post edited 7 Apr 12:40]
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| We need a Director of Football on 12:45 - Apr 7 with 791 views | TK1 |
New posters suddenly appearing on fans websites to undermine popular managers when thin-skinned CEOs are under pressure for the poverty of their work: we've been here before.
Wouldn't it be better to just let the coach be interviewed by Loft For Words or attend an open fans forum? | | | |
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