| We need a Director of Football 09:19 - Apr 6 with 24054 views | Blue_Castello |
Now I can understand why combining the two jobs of CEO and DOF is a significant cost saving to the club and if you had the right person in the position with significant experience it could work. That person could set the overall strategy for the club ensure it is implemented and not have somebody else telling them to go in a different direction.
However we don't have an experienced CEO and we are paying the price, the issues with recruitment have been highlighted in previews and reports, the imbalance of the squad and the debatable purchases which appear to have been purely analytical driven.
We are currently competing against teams who understand the physicality of the Championship and if you can't match them then you are struggling before the kick off. It feels like the squads been put together by somebody sitting in front of a terminal looking at statistics and not trying to balance the needs of a squad that has to play sometimes 3 games in a week. The point was made by Kevin Gallen on the WLS podcast, the players from the overseas leagues do not have the same loading on the playing schedule and this can reflect in them not being so robust.
Surely enough time has been given to see if the cost saving would work with only one man in charge and we now need to bite the bullet and get a DOF before it's too late. It may not even cost the club a fortune, if we can find a Senior person who has experience of the Championship then they could be employed part time. It would be a difficult appointment to make because they have to work in harmony with the CEO but that's for the board to sort out.
There will possibly be cost savings with a reorganisation it happens in a lot of business when they are restructured, should we really be paying some bloke based in Dubai for consultancy.
Made me smile thinking of Uncle Neil coming back on a part time basis, I think his time has gone but he knew how to put a squad together, that's what we need somebody who understands the demands of the physicality of the Championship and we recruit players who are robust and less prone to injury.
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| We need a Director of Football on 12:38 - Apr 8 with 1513 views | wombat |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:21 - Apr 8 by SteveW6 |
We were on the up but we had reached a ceiling.
We should never downplay what we achieved in the 90s. The 5th place in 1993 was our joint 2nd highest ever finish and we played some great football whilst beating the best sides on occasions. However, we were 7 or 8 significant signings away from winning the title.
Take 1990 and 1995 out of the equation and our cup record throughout the decade is appalling.
Fa cup, 5 3rd round exits, 2 4th round and 1 5th round.
League cup: 5 4th round exits, 2 3rd round , 2 2nd round and 1 1st round.
This isn't a club who showed any potential to win a cup.
As for schisms and factions, there's a lot of jostling to get versions of truth out to willing ears so legacies remain untainted.
Trust no one. [Post edited 8 Apr 12:23]
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wouldnt say 6/6 signing to be honest but we in one fell swoop started the downfall by not looking to the next few seasons and only looking at next season ,
we all know the cup record is the worst out there who can forget vauxhall motors etc . i disagree we had reached. a ceiling the playin field was fairly equal sky money hadnt come in to feck it all up either . it was the time to actually consolidate what we had and slowly move on .
and not really seen much in the way or stroires being relased by certain parties apart frm this one , any viewpoints on why nourry wont allow marti et to speak to podcasts fans groups etc and controls anything said totally ? does he not trust marti to drop him in the shit ? |  |
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| We need a Director of Football on 12:43 - Apr 8 with 1496 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:28 - Apr 8 by GaryBannister86 |
Well, we reached a ceiling that your man Thompson decided upon and imposed.
"7 or 8" signings from winning the title - got to disagree with you there. A box to box midfielder better than Barker alongside Wilkins and if they had stayed fit we could have been sniffing top three. I wouldn't have swapped out many of the others - perhaps a better back up for Les and a couple of better squad players, I would really have fancied us to be at least there or thereabouts, as they say.
I seriously don't understand why you would rather, even now, that your man had taken the money and ripped the side apart rather than have a serious punt by not selling and using perhaps a little of Daddy's money to buy that midfielder. Strange.
As for your argument that his nuance allowed us the funds to sign Yates and Hodge - as Ray would have said - my word.
Anyway, agree to disagree. Fascinating how it can be seen so differently. I guess you could always enjoy the Wegerle stairs rather than watching the great man himself. |
Francis had decided a while before Wegerle went that he didn't like him...
Again, how's this push being financed? Why would you expect Thompson to use his own money to fund your dreams when we're averaging around 14,500 and often get crowds sub 10k? That's not how businesses work and Jack Walker was the only sugar daddy in the 90s.
Beyond Les how many would have walked into the top sides? Andy Sinton left for Sheffield Wednesday and 6 months after leaving us Wegetle was at Coventry. We were miles away from a title win or anything but a fluke top 2-3 finsih. This isn't 75/76 we're talking about...
Francis wanted Yates as he thought he'd become a solid Premier League player who we'd sell for mega money, he wasn't told to sign him. Hodge was also bought to replicate the role Wilkins had not as 'one for the future'.
The memories of that era are great but the myths are just that, myths. [Post edited 8 Apr 12:46]
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| We need a Director of Football on 12:59 - Apr 8 with 1412 views | wombat |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:43 - Apr 8 by SteveW6 |
Francis had decided a while before Wegerle went that he didn't like him...
Again, how's this push being financed? Why would you expect Thompson to use his own money to fund your dreams when we're averaging around 14,500 and often get crowds sub 10k? That's not how businesses work and Jack Walker was the only sugar daddy in the 90s.
Beyond Les how many would have walked into the top sides? Andy Sinton left for Sheffield Wednesday and 6 months after leaving us Wegetle was at Coventry. We were miles away from a title win or anything but a fluke top 2-3 finsih. This isn't 75/76 we're talking about...
Francis wanted Yates as he thought he'd become a solid Premier League player who we'd sell for mega money, he wasn't told to sign him. Hodge was also bought to replicate the role Wilkins had not as 'one for the future'.
The memories of that era are great but the myths are just that, myths. [Post edited 8 Apr 12:46]
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you keep refering to thompson spening his money , he didnt have any , it was well known he was given the club to run by his dad to see how we would do running a company , we was the unfortunate victims of that exercise.
noted u travelled up on the LSA coaches back in the day we must have crossed paths numerous times then as I was also a reg on the coaches with trevor peter joe etc good fun days , nobody trying to get brownie points by being on the inside either , id say the myths were pretty truthful at the time to be honest , just that some still dont seem to like them , weird how stuff from them days can be interpreted in which ever way suits todays narrative ? | |
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| We need a Director of Football on 13:03 - Apr 8 with 1394 views | GaryBannister86 |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:43 - Apr 8 by SteveW6 |
Francis had decided a while before Wegerle went that he didn't like him...
Again, how's this push being financed? Why would you expect Thompson to use his own money to fund your dreams when we're averaging around 14,500 and often get crowds sub 10k? That's not how businesses work and Jack Walker was the only sugar daddy in the 90s.
Beyond Les how many would have walked into the top sides? Andy Sinton left for Sheffield Wednesday and 6 months after leaving us Wegetle was at Coventry. We were miles away from a title win or anything but a fluke top 2-3 finsih. This isn't 75/76 we're talking about...
Francis wanted Yates as he thought he'd become a solid Premier League player who we'd sell for mega money, he wasn't told to sign him. Hodge was also bought to replicate the role Wilkins had not as 'one for the future'.
The memories of that era are great but the myths are just that, myths. [Post edited 8 Apr 12:46]
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I respect your arguments but don't give it the old "myths" and "facts" rubbish to try and debase someone else's opinion. I lived through that era, went to the games, as did my father and friends and those that are still with us don't agree with any of what you are saying. That's your prerogative, we may be wrong and you be right, but it doesn't make my opinion on what happened a myth, no? |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 13:11 - Apr 8 with 1334 views | TheChef |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:30 - Apr 8 by Northernr |
Absolutely. It wasn't necessarily about pushing on for Europe, cups etc. It was about keeping our seat at the top table because the TV money was exploding. A quick £2m profit on Darren Peacock was nothing compared to what the club would have earned had it stayed in the Prem through the 90s into the 00s. Instead the team got dismantled and relegated at the worst possible moment. |
When you put it like that...  |  |
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| We need a Director of Football on 13:13 - Apr 8 with 1332 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:59 - Apr 8 by wombat |
you keep refering to thompson spening his money , he didnt have any , it was well known he was given the club to run by his dad to see how we would do running a company , we was the unfortunate victims of that exercise.
noted u travelled up on the LSA coaches back in the day we must have crossed paths numerous times then as I was also a reg on the coaches with trevor peter joe etc good fun days , nobody trying to get brownie points by being on the inside either , id say the myths were pretty truthful at the time to be honest , just that some still dont seem to like them , weird how stuff from them days can be interpreted in which ever way suits todays narrative ? |
His money/his Dad's money, it's irrelevant and I'm not into the politics of envy. For the purposes of QPR it was Richard Thompson's money to control.
However we all felt about that side in the 90s what we can't do is erase the truth.
Few of them went on to play successfully for big clubs, we were miles short of winning the League and our cup form was abysmal.
Looking back at an astonishing 31 years since the Thompson Out campaign should be enough time to reasses impartiality and objectively.
The evidence that we were a great side denied its inevitable place at the top doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
They were great days and I miss them terribly. We've never had the same thing off pitch since the 'Friends of QPR' were formed even if done so for the right reasons. [Post edited 8 Apr 13:16]
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| We need a Director of Football on 13:20 - Apr 8 with 1297 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 13:03 - Apr 8 by GaryBannister86 |
I respect your arguments but don't give it the old "myths" and "facts" rubbish to try and debase someone else's opinion. I lived through that era, went to the games, as did my father and friends and those that are still with us don't agree with any of what you are saying. That's your prerogative, we may be wrong and you be right, but it doesn't make my opinion on what happened a myth, no? |
Saying the club has an abysmal record in cups and our best players excluding Les never went on to play for the elite isn't wrong.
If you think Thompson should have used his own money to fund your dreams I passionately disagree, but that's an opinion.
Saying that we probably weren't of the cusp of success and using the examples in the 1st paragraph above to demonstrate why is an opinion expressed with supporting facts. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 13:28 - Apr 8 with 1257 views | wombat |
| We need a Director of Football on 13:03 - Apr 8 by GaryBannister86 |
I respect your arguments but don't give it the old "myths" and "facts" rubbish to try and debase someone else's opinion. I lived through that era, went to the games, as did my father and friends and those that are still with us don't agree with any of what you are saying. That's your prerogative, we may be wrong and you be right, but it doesn't make my opinion on what happened a myth, no? |
think everyone sees things in how it suits them u seem intents beliving that thompson was an excellent owner me and others say he fecked up big time , missing out on the sky money cant be forgiven ,
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| We need a Director of Football on 13:31 - Apr 8 with 1241 views | QPR_Jim |
| We need a Director of Football on 13:20 - Apr 8 by SteveW6 |
Saying the club has an abysmal record in cups and our best players excluding Les never went on to play for the elite isn't wrong.
If you think Thompson should have used his own money to fund your dreams I passionately disagree, but that's an opinion.
Saying that we probably weren't of the cusp of success and using the examples in the 1st paragraph above to demonstrate why is an opinion expressed with supporting facts. |
I was too young to remember the exact details of the Thompson out campaign, although I remember being at the ground for home game(s) when there were protests.
You keep saying it's your dreams to GaryBannister86 but my question would be, do you not think it's a problem that Thompson didn't share the dreams of the fans in wanting to win something with QPR?
Seems like the minimum you'd want to have from the chairman of any club. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 13:33 - Apr 8 with 1220 views | GaryBannister86 |
| We need a Director of Football on 13:28 - Apr 8 by wombat |
think everyone sees things in how it suits them u seem intents beliving that thompson was an excellent owner me and others say he fecked up big time , missing out on the sky money cant be forgiven ,
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Think you are confusing two posters there mate - I was referring to Steve, not you. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 13:38 - Apr 8 with 1184 views | wombat |
| We need a Director of Football on 13:33 - Apr 8 by GaryBannister86 |
Think you are confusing two posters there mate - I was referring to Steve, not you. |
sorry gary did try and edit it but its not let me no not directed at u atall mate | |
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| We need a Director of Football on 13:50 - Apr 8 with 1135 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 13:31 - Apr 8 by QPR_Jim |
I was too young to remember the exact details of the Thompson out campaign, although I remember being at the ground for home game(s) when there were protests.
You keep saying it's your dreams to GaryBannister86 but my question would be, do you not think it's a problem that Thompson didn't share the dreams of the fans in wanting to win something with QPR?
Seems like the minimum you'd want to have from the chairman of any club. |
Of course Thompson wanted to win a trophy with QPR but was realistic enough to know we'll never win the League and the cup was always down to luck of a draw.
Even if he had pumped millions into the team - and he wasn't that rich to do so - it was far from guaranteed as the form one of our greatest sides in the cups shows.
It all comes down to whether or not you think he should be using his own money or not and I am firmly a no. The club being in the top division WAS success as the measly 23 years out of 143 we've existed for shows.
He was also very generous with the profits of the club and gave managers carte blanche to sign who they wanted - within budgets - with no or few questions asked.
Also, never forget that Richard Thompson was the chairman who signed off the first £1m signing by any West London club...
Let's turn the tables a bit. Do you think supporters who embraced and encouraged the signings which put us significantly in debt are more right than I am? [Post edited 8 Apr 13:53]
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| We need a Director of Football on 13:55 - Apr 8 with 1121 views | nadera78 |
Some of the posts about the 90s read like someone has spent their time looking back at stats from the time (both QPR and league-wide) and constructed an argument around them, rather than actually being there at the time. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:03 - Apr 8 with 1091 views | Northernr |
What was this thread about again? |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:07 - Apr 8 with 1078 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 13:55 - Apr 8 by nadera78 |
Some of the posts about the 90s read like someone has spent their time looking back at stats from the time (both QPR and league-wide) and constructed an argument around them, rather than actually being there at the time. |
Oh I was there OK....
I remember Denise taking her top off and running on the pitch to start the Thompson Out Protest.
I remember being on the LSA coach to Sheffield Wednesday and finding out Kurt Cobain had died which made a shit day worse.
I remember getting a ticket for the West Ham supporting bar man at the White City community club a ticket for the cup game in 1995
Plenty of memories but am also able to look back with objectivity and be honest about what I find... | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:28 - Apr 8 with 999 views | nadera78 |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:07 - Apr 8 by SteveW6 |
Oh I was there OK....
I remember Denise taking her top off and running on the pitch to start the Thompson Out Protest.
I remember being on the LSA coach to Sheffield Wednesday and finding out Kurt Cobain had died which made a shit day worse.
I remember getting a ticket for the West Ham supporting bar man at the White City community club a ticket for the cup game in 1995
Plenty of memories but am also able to look back with objectivity and be honest about what I find... |
If you genuinely sat down at that time and thought "we are 7 signings away from winning anything, so what we should do is sell our best players" then you must have been the only football fan in history.
Also, you were 2 decades ahead of your time - it's only the past 10 years we've seen the emergence the fan who prefers the 'football-business' over the 'football-winning'. Congrats on that. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:33 - Apr 8 with 954 views | R_from_afar |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:03 - Apr 8 by Northernr |
What was this thread about again? |
We only nipped out to get a pint of milk, but ten minutes later, we were stood in our kitchen clutching a meat feast pizza, a Twix, a four pack of Red Stripe and the first issue of one of those build HMS Victory over 50 weeks magazines  |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| We need a Director of Football on 14:34 - Apr 8 with 949 views | BklynRanger |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:03 - Apr 8 by Northernr |
What was this thread about again? |
I think it was about a face saving restructure, or failing that a good old fashioned ousting. Was for me ayway.
It's since slipped into the ubiquitous 'I know more than you do' lark - but without any laughs or gags.
Not enough characters in the message board game these days.. [Post edited 8 Apr 14:41]
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| We need a Director of Football on 14:35 - Apr 8 with 943 views | Northernr |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:33 - Apr 8 by R_from_afar |
We only nipped out to get a pint of milk, but ten minutes later, we were stood in our kitchen clutching a meat feast pizza, a Twix, a four pack of Red Stripe and the first issue of one of those build HMS Victory over 50 weeks magazines |
Hasn't been a derailment this spectacular since Hatfield, and at least that was an accident. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:44 - Apr 8 with 872 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:28 - Apr 8 by nadera78 |
If you genuinely sat down at that time and thought "we are 7 signings away from winning anything, so what we should do is sell our best players" then you must have been the only football fan in history.
Also, you were 2 decades ahead of your time - it's only the past 10 years we've seen the emergence the fan who prefers the 'football-business' over the 'football-winning'. Congrats on that. |
I knew that being in the Top Flight wasn't a guarantee for QPR and every year we were was deemed a success.
I knew how much money we were losing every year
I knew that buy cheap, sell high was the QPR way.
In 1994, when the protests started, we had won one major trophy in our history. Some 31 years later and despite our attempts to buy success in the last decade, that remains the case.
Only one of those approaches put the existence of the club at risk and it wasn't Thompson's... | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:48 - Apr 8 with 846 views | daveB |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:30 - Apr 8 by Northernr |
Absolutely. It wasn't necessarily about pushing on for Europe, cups etc. It was about keeping our seat at the top table because the TV money was exploding. A quick £2m profit on Darren Peacock was nothing compared to what the club would have earned had it stayed in the Prem through the 90s into the 00s. Instead the team got dismantled and relegated at the worst possible moment. |
Thats the missed opporunity, never expected us to win the league every year but look at West Ham regular yo yo team early 90's after years in second division, nothing special but stayed up a few years, pocketed the money and have been pretty much top flight ever since with a few dips down for a promotion winning season. Could easily have been us but without the mad move to an olympic stadium |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:53 - Apr 8 with 830 views | KensalT |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:44 - Apr 8 by SteveW6 |
I knew that being in the Top Flight wasn't a guarantee for QPR and every year we were was deemed a success.
I knew how much money we were losing every year
I knew that buy cheap, sell high was the QPR way.
In 1994, when the protests started, we had won one major trophy in our history. Some 31 years later and despite our attempts to buy success in the last decade, that remains the case.
Only one of those approaches put the existence of the club at risk and it wasn't Thompson's... |
"In 1994, when the protests started, we had won one major trophy in our history. Some 31 years later and despite our attempts to buy success in the last decade, that remains the case."
We won the league buddy.
That used to mean something!
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| We need a Director of Football on 14:55 - Apr 8 with 817 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:48 - Apr 8 by daveB |
Thats the missed opporunity, never expected us to win the league every year but look at West Ham regular yo yo team early 90's after years in second division, nothing special but stayed up a few years, pocketed the money and have been pretty much top flight ever since with a few dips down for a promotion winning season. Could easily have been us but without the mad move to an olympic stadium |
West Ham being a yo-yo club in the early 90s was a blip for them.They are currently enjoying their 67th season in the top flight.
Us being a top flight is a rarity for us by comparison. 23 seasons in total. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:57 - Apr 8 with 804 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:53 - Apr 8 by KensalT |
"In 1994, when the protests started, we had won one major trophy in our history. Some 31 years later and despite our attempts to buy success in the last decade, that remains the case."
We won the league buddy.
That used to mean something!
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2nd division which isn't a major trophy and we had the spend significantly beyond our means to do so and started 5 years which almost did and could still kill the club | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 15:04 - Apr 8 with 782 views | KensalT |
| We need a Director of Football on 14:57 - Apr 8 by SteveW6 |
2nd division which isn't a major trophy and we had the spend significantly beyond our means to do so and started 5 years which almost did and could still kill the club |
That's the exact same trophy that the Mancs and the Scousers used to be desperate to get their hands on and still like to boast about how many times they've won it.
And to be precise there is no second tier of the Premier League. It's a separate competition from the EFL that once a year admits three of us oiks to be whipping boys for the year.
The EFL is the oldest football league in the world and draws some of the biggest attendances in Europe. It's not a Sunday afternoon kickabout:
https://www.efl.com/about-the-efl/history/ | | | |
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