| We need a Director of Football 09:19 - Apr 6 with 21865 views | Blue_Castello |
Now I can understand why combining the two jobs of CEO and DOF is a significant cost saving to the club and if you had the right person in the position with significant experience it could work. That person could set the overall strategy for the club ensure it is implemented and not have somebody else telling them to go in a different direction.
However we don't have an experienced CEO and we are paying the price, the issues with recruitment have been highlighted in previews and reports, the imbalance of the squad and the debatable purchases which appear to have been purely analytical driven.
We are currently competing against teams who understand the physicality of the Championship and if you can't match them then you are struggling before the kick off. It feels like the squads been put together by somebody sitting in front of a terminal looking at statistics and not trying to balance the needs of a squad that has to play sometimes 3 games in a week. The point was made by Kevin Gallen on the WLS podcast, the players from the overseas leagues do not have the same loading on the playing schedule and this can reflect in them not being so robust.
Surely enough time has been given to see if the cost saving would work with only one man in charge and we now need to bite the bullet and get a DOF before it's too late. It may not even cost the club a fortune, if we can find a Senior person who has experience of the Championship then they could be employed part time. It would be a difficult appointment to make because they have to work in harmony with the CEO but that's for the board to sort out.
There will possibly be cost savings with a reorganisation it happens in a lot of business when they are restructured, should we really be paying some bloke based in Dubai for consultancy.
Made me smile thinking of Uncle Neil coming back on a part time basis, I think his time has gone but he knew how to put a squad together, that's what we need somebody who understands the demands of the physicality of the Championship and we recruit players who are robust and less prone to injury.
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| We need a Director of Football on 15:24 - Apr 6 with 1585 views | Gus_iom |
| We need a Director of Football on 15:06 - Apr 6 by Wegerles_Stairs |
Yeah, it's relatively easy to get rid of the previous regime. Bit harder to outperform it, which is what you need to do to justify what you've done. Nourry is Cromwell, chopping off Les's head and then banning fun. Yesterday's match definitely had a Puritan air to it. |
If Nourry is Cromwell, he gets my support. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football (n/t) on 15:26 - Apr 6 with 1582 views | mart_Goblin |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:47 - Apr 6 by stevec |
What I am noticing is when we were doing bad it was all down to Nourry, when we were doing well it was all down to Marti and now we’re doing badly again, it’s all down to Nourry. Logic says it’s not all Nourry’s fault.
I’m not convinced Nourry is the problem, the problem seems to be he’s been left to his own devices when he really needs an ex Championship player alongside him to run the rule over his choices.
Don’t think we need another DOF, lord knows the last one wasn’t a raging success. We need someone on board who’s an equal to Nourry and not a boss. I don’t know who could do the job but given Kevin Gallen has been having what seems to be a knowledgeable view on what’s been happening, maybe his experience in this league could be harnessed by checking out these players at their grounds rather than over the internet.
Believe Gallen would have our best interests in mind and he wouldn’t seemingly become handicapped by any pet project. |
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| We need a Director of Football on 15:31 - Apr 6 with 1558 views | 1JD |
| We need a Director of Football on 15:07 - Apr 6 by PunteR |
Yep. As seems to be the case , repeatedly , the owners hire novices for the role. Whether its Les Ferdinand as DoF, Nourry now or even our managers. Cifuentes new to this league, same as Ainsworth , Beale never managing before. We got in JFH , after we sacked off Redknapp, who we then put in another novice in Ramsey in charge of our inevitable relegation.
Even Holloway after had basically retired and been out of the game for years and become a SKY pundit. Maclaren was a decent coach but never a decent manager (had he managed in the championship before? Boro? ). The only one in the last 10 years who actually was qualified for the role and knew what his remit was and how to accomplish it (off the pitch) was Hoos. On the football side we've never had anyone that can move us forward with the financial restraints holding us back. Even , sadly Cifuentes.
Theres no vision, no long term plan, no one is ever on the same page , and that comes down to our inept owners.
I think the owners have no ambition and are scared of hiring someone who knows the game inside out, for fear they will get their pants pulled down like the Hughes and Redknapp era.
It feels a bit like the premier league ,where most clubs just try and exist in the league rather than try and win a trophy or something of real value for the fans. |
Perhaps it has something to do with the owners own upbringing and careers.
Unlike most, who have to work their way up and become experts in their field, honing their skills and experience over years, they were born into not only money, but business empires, and went right in at the top. See Amit and Ruben.
So perhaps their core belief system, and their own career paths, that one “just needs to be given a chance to show what they can do” vs “one requires experience, knowledge and expertise as a precursor for success”, may well be influencing their decision-making when making senior QPR appointments.
There is most definitely a (negative) trend of handing out senior positions to those who would not be in the running at any other club, let alone make it as the chosen candidate. So we get this continuous “learning on the job” culture, barely treading water, making mistake after mistake, with recruitment, contracts, academy etc.
Rather than learn from it, and seek out those who have been there and done it, they continue to make wild, high-risk decisions, none more wild that the appointment of Nourry - a candidate who has zero experience of CEO or DOF. And then give him both roles. Mind-boggling. That said Lee Hoos also has a key role in all of this, having bought Nourry into the club and recommended him to the owners. Still very much in the background. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 16:21 - Apr 6 with 1491 views | dmm |
| We need a Director of Football (n/t) on 15:26 - Apr 6 by mart_Goblin |
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"...have it on pretty good authority he hates being challenged, on anything..."
I find that entirely believable. It's a trait in someone that should ring very loud alarm bells. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 16:59 - Apr 6 with 1418 views | dm97 |
Never mind another football club, any serious multi million pound business (that has struggled for a decade) does not hire a 28 year old with no relevant experience as their CEO and Managing Director. But these owners are not capable of running a serious football club. It’s as simple as that. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 17:23 - Apr 6 with 1382 views | lassel |
| We need a Director of Football on 16:59 - Apr 6 by dm97 |
Never mind another football club, any serious multi million pound business (that has struggled for a decade) does not hire a 28 year old with no relevant experience as their CEO and Managing Director. But these owners are not capable of running a serious football club. It’s as simple as that. |
It’s not being unable to run a serious club, simply that Ruben doesn’t really care that much. 99% of his time is spent on WestPorts and for the few hundred k he puts in every week, he earns 10x more from WestPorts. It allows him to just have the club as a fun thing to tell people he owns, and also allows him to ask a silly price to take it off his hands.
2x US billionaires, the Lindners and John Textor have kicked the tyres but both walked away due to the asking price.
The club will continue to drift on the waves, an easy target for the Nourrys of the world for some time to come. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 17:29 - Apr 6 with 1361 views | stevec |
| We need a Director of Football (n/t) on 15:26 - Apr 6 by mart_Goblin |
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That would be a problem.
I appreciate the consensus amongst supporters is Nourry has been calling the shots regards transfers but I notice we’ve been bringing in players largely, certainly for us, from what you might call second tier European countries over the last year or so and we’d never really gone that route before. It may be coincidence, but a bloody big coincidence, but didn’t Marti come to town from the very same European leagues not more than a few months before these signings were made. As such, it seems somewhat unlikely that he didn’t play a significant role in these particular signings and there’s been a fair few of them.
This brings me to probably our most successful signing in the last year, Morrison. One of the few, possible only signing, from our shores. Does anyone know if he was Marti’s or Nourry’s or maybe even someone else’s recommendation.
I have a feeling the scorn for Nourry might not be so constant if we knew the truth. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 17:40 - Apr 6 with 1328 views | dm97 |
| We need a Director of Football on 17:23 - Apr 6 by lassel |
It’s not being unable to run a serious club, simply that Ruben doesn’t really care that much. 99% of his time is spent on WestPorts and for the few hundred k he puts in every week, he earns 10x more from WestPorts. It allows him to just have the club as a fun thing to tell people he owns, and also allows him to ask a silly price to take it off his hands.
2x US billionaires, the Lindners and John Textor have kicked the tyres but both walked away due to the asking price.
The club will continue to drift on the waves, an easy target for the Nourrys of the world for some time to come. |
I think that description of how the ownership run the club (a plaything for rich boys) can be filed under “not serious” | | | |
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| We need a Director of Football on 17:46 - Apr 6 with 1313 views | 1JD |
| We need a Director of Football on 17:29 - Apr 6 by stevec |
That would be a problem.
I appreciate the consensus amongst supporters is Nourry has been calling the shots regards transfers but I notice we’ve been bringing in players largely, certainly for us, from what you might call second tier European countries over the last year or so and we’d never really gone that route before. It may be coincidence, but a bloody big coincidence, but didn’t Marti come to town from the very same European leagues not more than a few months before these signings were made. As such, it seems somewhat unlikely that he didn’t play a significant role in these particular signings and there’s been a fair few of them.
This brings me to probably our most successful signing in the last year, Morrison. One of the few, possible only signing, from our shores. Does anyone know if he was Marti’s or Nourry’s or maybe even someone else’s recommendation.
I have a feeling the scorn for Nourry might not be so constant if we knew the truth. |
Nourry is on record for shopping in European markets and other World markets as they provide a much bigger pool for finding value. It was one of many changes driven by Nourry as the new DOF. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 17:55 - Apr 6 with 1299 views | Northernr |
| We need a Director of Football on 16:21 - Apr 6 by dmm |
"...have it on pretty good authority he hates being challenged, on anything..."
I find that entirely believable. It's a trait in someone that should ring very loud alarm bells. |
The first group meeting we had I gave it to him about the withholding of contract lengths, said it would make no difference, clubs who want to know will be able to find out if they want to, all it does is provide supporters you’ve already put through the ringer for 2 years with even less information about what you’re doing to our club next.
You can probably tell how well that’s gone for me by how many interviews we’ve had since. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:11 - Apr 6 with 1265 views | ytt28 |
| We need a Director of Football on 17:55 - Apr 6 by Northernr |
The first group meeting we had I gave it to him about the withholding of contract lengths, said it would make no difference, clubs who want to know will be able to find out if they want to, all it does is provide supporters you’ve already put through the ringer for 2 years with even less information about what you’re doing to our club next.
You can probably tell how well that’s gone for me by how many interviews we’ve had since. |
That would fit in with someone's comment earlier on this thread about Nourry not liking being challenged. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:12 - Apr 6 with 1264 views | dmm |
| We need a Director of Football on 17:55 - Apr 6 by Northernr |
The first group meeting we had I gave it to him about the withholding of contract lengths, said it would make no difference, clubs who want to know will be able to find out if they want to, all it does is provide supporters you’ve already put through the ringer for 2 years with even less information about what you’re doing to our club next.
You can probably tell how well that’s gone for me by how many interviews we’ve had since. |
If I didn't know better I'd think a fat old orange American with tiny hands had schooled him. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:43 - Apr 6 with 1213 views | mart_Goblin |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:11 - Apr 6 by ytt28 |
That would fit in with someone's comment earlier on this thread about Nourry not liking being challenged. |
Hence why nearly all of the people put in place in the last 2 years including the head of performance, the sports science team etc etc are all part of the ‘old boys club’. [Post edited 6 Apr 18:51]
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| We need a Director of Football on 18:55 - Apr 6 with 1181 views | lassel |
| We need a Director of Football on 17:40 - Apr 6 by dm97 |
I think that description of how the ownership run the club (a plaything for rich boys) can be filed under “not serious” |
A fair point of course, my point was simply that the clubs not on its arse because Ruben is incompetent (he might well be), but more because he simply doesn’t care. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 19:01 - Apr 6 with 1165 views | mart_Goblin |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:55 - Apr 6 by lassel |
A fair point of course, my point was simply that the clubs not on its arse because Ruben is incompetent (he might well be), but more because he simply doesn’t care. |
Hmmm, not sure about that . | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 19:07 - Apr 6 with 1126 views | daveB |
| We need a Director of Football on 17:29 - Apr 6 by stevec |
That would be a problem.
I appreciate the consensus amongst supporters is Nourry has been calling the shots regards transfers but I notice we’ve been bringing in players largely, certainly for us, from what you might call second tier European countries over the last year or so and we’d never really gone that route before. It may be coincidence, but a bloody big coincidence, but didn’t Marti come to town from the very same European leagues not more than a few months before these signings were made. As such, it seems somewhat unlikely that he didn’t play a significant role in these particular signings and there’s been a fair few of them.
This brings me to probably our most successful signing in the last year, Morrison. One of the few, possible only signing, from our shores. Does anyone know if he was Marti’s or Nourry’s or maybe even someone else’s recommendation.
I have a feeling the scorn for Nourry might not be so constant if we knew the truth. |
We went that route a few years back with the two polish lads Pawel and Ariel, Polter etc under the same recruitment team which didn't really work out
Even Morrison came from abroad, he was signed from Bayern Munich |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 19:23 - Apr 6 with 1076 views | stevec |
| We need a Director of Football on 19:07 - Apr 6 by daveB |
We went that route a few years back with the two polish lads Pawel and Ariel, Polter etc under the same recruitment team which didn't really work out
Even Morrison came from abroad, he was signed from Bayern Munich |
Ah I’d forgotten that.
In the end, if you’ve employed a manager from the same neck of the woods, you’d assume it was based on him having at least a rudimentary knowledge of the players we’ve brought in. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 19:37 - Apr 6 with 1007 views | stainrods_elbow |
| We need a Director of Football on 17:29 - Apr 6 by stevec |
That would be a problem.
I appreciate the consensus amongst supporters is Nourry has been calling the shots regards transfers but I notice we’ve been bringing in players largely, certainly for us, from what you might call second tier European countries over the last year or so and we’d never really gone that route before. It may be coincidence, but a bloody big coincidence, but didn’t Marti come to town from the very same European leagues not more than a few months before these signings were made. As such, it seems somewhat unlikely that he didn’t play a significant role in these particular signings and there’s been a fair few of them.
This brings me to probably our most successful signing in the last year, Morrison. One of the few, possible only signing, from our shores. Does anyone know if he was Marti’s or Nourry’s or maybe even someone else’s recommendation.
I have a feeling the scorn for Nourry might not be so constant if we knew the truth. |
The penny seems to have dropped for one of our number at least, while the others peddle their fake, evidence-ignoring, group think, anti-Nourry narratives. [Post edited 6 Apr 19:38]
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| We need a Director of Football on 19:39 - Apr 6 with 1021 views | GaryHaddock |
We need someone who was born local, who did the role for 5-10 years in the Championship, who knows the club inside out, has played and coached at the top level, and may or may not know their way round a garden. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 19:46 - Apr 6 with 990 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| We need a Director of Football on 19:39 - Apr 6 by GaryHaddock |
We need someone who was born local, who did the role for 5-10 years in the Championship, who knows the club inside out, has played and coached at the top level, and may or may not know their way round a garden. |
That would be the Wise choice. |  |
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| We need a Director of Football on 19:56 - Apr 6 with 953 views | GaryHaddock |
| We need a Director of Football on 19:46 - Apr 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
That would be the Wise choice. |
Or his ‘mates’. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 20:09 - Apr 6 with 914 views | Superhoops2808 |
What makes me chuckle is how Sir Les was hounded out by most of the fan base, and now we are crying out for someone like him
There is that warning about being careful what you wish for and now it appears we are heading in the same direction all over again |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 20:26 - Apr 6 with 857 views | KensalT |
| We need a Director of Football on 19:46 - Apr 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
That would be the Wise choice. |
Haven't we got enough gnomes around the place already!? | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 20:32 - Apr 6 with 838 views | GaryHaddock |
| We need a Director of Football on 20:09 - Apr 6 by Superhoops2808 |
What makes me chuckle is how Sir Les was hounded out by most of the fan base, and now we are crying out for someone like him
There is that warning about being careful what you wish for and now it appears we are heading in the same direction all over again |
This was what I was getting at not so subtly.
He was a 6/10 DoF but we thought there was a 9/10 waiting in the wings. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 20:45 - Apr 6 with 785 views | 1JD |
| We need a Director of Football on 20:32 - Apr 6 by GaryHaddock |
This was what I was getting at not so subtly.
He was a 6/10 DoF but we thought there was a 9/10 waiting in the wings. |
Probably was a 9/10 if they had run the process effectively. Doesn’t take a lot to analyse DOF performance across Europe, find a few up and coming ones, and create a short list.
Instead, they gave it to a guy a couple of years out of uni, with not even a permanent job to his name. No background in managing people or teams. And literally no background in anything. | | | |
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