| We need a Director of Football 09:19 - Apr 6 with 26484 views | Blue_Castello |
Now I can understand why combining the two jobs of CEO and DOF is a significant cost saving to the club and if you had the right person in the position with significant experience it could work. That person could set the overall strategy for the club ensure it is implemented and not have somebody else telling them to go in a different direction.
However we don't have an experienced CEO and we are paying the price, the issues with recruitment have been highlighted in previews and reports, the imbalance of the squad and the debatable purchases which appear to have been purely analytical driven.
We are currently competing against teams who understand the physicality of the Championship and if you can't match them then you are struggling before the kick off. It feels like the squads been put together by somebody sitting in front of a terminal looking at statistics and not trying to balance the needs of a squad that has to play sometimes 3 games in a week. The point was made by Kevin Gallen on the WLS podcast, the players from the overseas leagues do not have the same loading on the playing schedule and this can reflect in them not being so robust.
Surely enough time has been given to see if the cost saving would work with only one man in charge and we now need to bite the bullet and get a DOF before it's too late. It may not even cost the club a fortune, if we can find a Senior person who has experience of the Championship then they could be employed part time. It would be a difficult appointment to make because they have to work in harmony with the CEO but that's for the board to sort out.
There will possibly be cost savings with a reorganisation it happens in a lot of business when they are restructured, should we really be paying some bloke based in Dubai for consultancy.
Made me smile thinking of Uncle Neil coming back on a part time basis, I think his time has gone but he knew how to put a squad together, that's what we need somebody who understands the demands of the physicality of the Championship and we recruit players who are robust and less prone to injury.
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| We need a Director of Football on 18:14 - Apr 7 with 1919 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 17:55 - Apr 7 by daveB |
It's quite typical of QPR that we got the sensible businessmen when we needed a maniac to go and spend and push on and when we needed a sensible businessman we got lunatics |
Our average attendance in 92/93 when we finished 5th was 15k and the 4th worst in the division.
In 93/94 we finished 9th and had an average attendance of 14,144.
It would have been his personal money, not the clubs, which would have been spent with no guarantees.
I think some people forget that we had a very good team by the overall league standards in the 90s rather than an amazing one and we were attracting poor crowds by comparison with others.
We weren't one or 2 players away from winning the league but 7 or 8 internationals and although a cup win was possible we showed little ability to win a cup in the 90s. Even the ZDS had embarrassing defeats at Southampton and the worse 45 minutes most ever saw against Crystal Palace in 91.
Thompson was a great chairman. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:16 - Apr 7 with 1910 views | R_from_afar |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:47 - Apr 7 by Northernr |
If we're just gonna make stuff up then I'm very much looking forward to taking Jennifer Aniston with me to Oxford United on Wednesday.
She might even pay more for her ticket because I'm such a fcking laugh riot to stand with at QPR away games. |
I hate to burst your bubble - she is lovely - but she will actually be sitting with our coaching staff, accompanied by a film crew.
They'll be shooting her new film, "Marti & me".  |  |
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| We need a Director of Football on 18:22 - Apr 7 with 1880 views | DavieQPR |
The club are paying the price of the Redknapp/ Hughes years that still affect everything. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:29 - Apr 7 with 1874 views | daveB |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:14 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
Our average attendance in 92/93 when we finished 5th was 15k and the 4th worst in the division.
In 93/94 we finished 9th and had an average attendance of 14,144.
It would have been his personal money, not the clubs, which would have been spent with no guarantees.
I think some people forget that we had a very good team by the overall league standards in the 90s rather than an amazing one and we were attracting poor crowds by comparison with others.
We weren't one or 2 players away from winning the league but 7 or 8 internationals and although a cup win was possible we showed little ability to win a cup in the 90s. Even the ZDS had embarrassing defeats at Southampton and the worse 45 minutes most ever saw against Crystal Palace in 91.
Thompson was a great chairman. |
crowds were the same at most clubs, not many clubs were selling out back then so was all relative
None of us can go back and change it so is all just fantasy stuff but for me it was a massive missed opportunity in the 90's just like it was a massive missed opportunity when we went up under Warnock and later Redknapp |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:31 - Apr 7 with 1858 views | GaryBannister86 |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:14 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
Our average attendance in 92/93 when we finished 5th was 15k and the 4th worst in the division.
In 93/94 we finished 9th and had an average attendance of 14,144.
It would have been his personal money, not the clubs, which would have been spent with no guarantees.
I think some people forget that we had a very good team by the overall league standards in the 90s rather than an amazing one and we were attracting poor crowds by comparison with others.
We weren't one or 2 players away from winning the league but 7 or 8 internationals and although a cup win was possible we showed little ability to win a cup in the 90s. Even the ZDS had embarrassing defeats at Southampton and the worse 45 minutes most ever saw against Crystal Palace in 91.
Thompson was a great chairman. |
"his personal money" - ha. You make it sound like he earned it like Jack Walker or something, rather than it be the family fortune.
We can argue about the merits of keeping players rather than selling them at the time, but "great chairman" ?? Come on. Saying "yes" to offers that came in, wow. How difficult. What else did he do to make him a great chairman? Win over the fans? Build a new infrastructure? Keep our best managers? In that interview he gave a few years ago even the man himself didn't rate that he did a good job.
I've heard it all now, not since someone posted that Ray "did OK" for us as a player have I been quite so taken aback. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:37 - Apr 7 with 1835 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:29 - Apr 7 by daveB |
crowds were the same at most clubs, not many clubs were selling out back then so was all relative
None of us can go back and change it so is all just fantasy stuff but for me it was a massive missed opportunity in the 90's just like it was a massive missed opportunity when we went up under Warnock and later Redknapp |
You're right about the crowds but we still 4th from bottom whe most clubs were funded by gate receipts and player sales.
A few years later after Man Utd showed how essential replica sales were but in the early 90s it had a much smaller impact and we had to be a selling club.
It makes me sad to think we have fans who look back at the early 90s with frustration. To me they were a magical era where we played some beautiful football and had a team, and club, we could be proud of. Off the pitch too they were great days but, of course, that's neither here or there when talking about Thompson's period in charge.
For me it all goes wrong after Thompson leaves and we've never got that club back.
That's the only regret/sadness I have about the era. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:52 - Apr 7 with 1801 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:31 - Apr 7 by GaryBannister86 |
"his personal money" - ha. You make it sound like he earned it like Jack Walker or something, rather than it be the family fortune.
We can argue about the merits of keeping players rather than selling them at the time, but "great chairman" ?? Come on. Saying "yes" to offers that came in, wow. How difficult. What else did he do to make him a great chairman? Win over the fans? Build a new infrastructure? Keep our best managers? In that interview he gave a few years ago even the man himself didn't rate that he did a good job.
I've heard it all now, not since someone posted that Ray "did OK" for us as a player have I been quite so taken aback. |
If someone did post 'Ray did ok' I passionately disagree with them.
He was the reason why we morphed into the side we did in that period and should have gone to Italia 90.
As for Thompson, what makes him our 2nd greatest chairman?
His 7 seasons in the top flight is the longest consecutive run we've had in our history.
He was Chairman for 30% of all seasons we had in the top flight.
We were a medium sized club punching above their weight for all but one season under his charge.
We were never close to financial issues and if Gregory built Loftus Road than Thompson took it into the new World.
He gave manager's free reign to buy who they wanted with the budget they had and that led to us identifying some incredible talent.
Him not rating what he did is modest or a complete lack of understanding of what he actually achieved.
It was a mistake to oust him. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:57 - Apr 7 with 1790 views | GaryHaddock |
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| We need a Director of Football on 19:14 - Apr 7 with 1751 views | PunteR |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:52 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
If someone did post 'Ray did ok' I passionately disagree with them.
He was the reason why we morphed into the side we did in that period and should have gone to Italia 90.
As for Thompson, what makes him our 2nd greatest chairman?
His 7 seasons in the top flight is the longest consecutive run we've had in our history.
He was Chairman for 30% of all seasons we had in the top flight.
We were a medium sized club punching above their weight for all but one season under his charge.
We were never close to financial issues and if Gregory built Loftus Road than Thompson took it into the new World.
He gave manager's free reign to buy who they wanted with the budget they had and that led to us identifying some incredible talent.
Him not rating what he did is modest or a complete lack of understanding of what he actually achieved.
It was a mistake to oust him. |
I don't know or remember all the details back then , but it was short sighted by him and a massive missed opportunity. Bit like my dad not buying his council house in the 80s. Sure, £6k was a lot of money back then....
Who sold the land behind the school end ? Serious question because that's hampered us too.
Anyway , it's all in the past and we can't change that, so all eyes on the future. |  |
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| We need a Director of Football on 20:56 - Apr 7 with 1643 views | eghamranger |
| We need a Director of Football on 13:45 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
I forgot ask, did Marti leave the kids with the Girlfriend in Sweden due to Swedish school term dates not allowing them to be away for so long and disappear to Catalonia for the entire post season break or was it just for a few weeks?
How many weeks in-between Swedish seasons did he disappear for? |
Marti lives with his wife and kids in Windsor. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 09:08 - Apr 8 with 1389 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| We need a Director of Football on 13:49 - Apr 7 by Monkey_Roots |
I really was optimistic about where the club was headed in the pre-season, which I put down to Nourry. We had got rid of a lot of dead wood from the development, reserve and fringes of the 1st team squad.
I was excited too by the signing of Verane, Saito and Dembele.
I like the push towards signing for the development squad too - forward thinking.
I was really quite up for Nourry, as I really didn't like Lee Hoos at all, and think we had come to the end of the road with Les as the DoF. We seemed to be heading for a more analytic approach - something a lot of us fans were clamouring for, and that was something most of us were very pleased about, I definitely was – this was a bold new direction for us.
I'm not an insider, I'm not in the know, I really struggle with the business and strategy side of football, and a lot of you seem to get it and can form opinions and come up with alternative solutions - fair enough, but there is an awful lot of revisionism (is that even a word?), and being wise after the event.The season hasn't panned out the way we wanted it to, and all of a sudden 'analytics' is a word to be scoffed at, and we need a proper DoF again?
Loads of midgets up front, not really taking into account the injuries to key forwards all at the same time. Smyth is crap, then he's exactly what we need. Chair is injured – 'oh no!', and then 'I think its Chair thats the problem'... Frey was wicked when he was cracking them in, now he's crap again. Lloyd was a breath of fresh air with all his running around and enthusiasm, closing down etc, now he's useless and needs a loan. Charlie Kelman was useless, got a loan, is absolutely smashing it now, and someone we'd be talking up as a possible solution to signing a lower league player who we could develop further... but he's still useless to most fans here... poor Charlie, if he doesn't get a gig back here, I hope he goes off somewhere and makes it, just to show some of you guys on here how much you really know about football.
We were crap before with a separate DoF and CEO, but now thats apparently what we need again - we are constantly looking for a scapegoat... not all signings pan out, they don't all work out, even if the strategy behind them looks good - sure, someone should be held responsible, and if thats Nourry, Belk, Les, Ruben or whoever, whatever - so be it, but I'd personally rather we didn't go mental and insist on a complete new direction once again because its had a rocky start.
We've started down a new pathway, i'd love us to stick with it for a while and see if it takes us somewhere in 5 years time, even if its painful for a year or two.
Nourry is definitely not perfect, there's a few things he could do better and different, but lets not start creating another 'Evil Les', please. |
Nailed it mate. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 09:24 - Apr 8 with 1339 views | TheChef |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:14 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
Our average attendance in 92/93 when we finished 5th was 15k and the 4th worst in the division.
In 93/94 we finished 9th and had an average attendance of 14,144.
It would have been his personal money, not the clubs, which would have been spent with no guarantees.
I think some people forget that we had a very good team by the overall league standards in the 90s rather than an amazing one and we were attracting poor crowds by comparison with others.
We weren't one or 2 players away from winning the league but 7 or 8 internationals and although a cup win was possible we showed little ability to win a cup in the 90s. Even the ZDS had embarrassing defeats at Southampton and the worse 45 minutes most ever saw against Crystal Palace in 91.
Thompson was a great chairman. |
Hi Richard!
New on here are you? Favourite cheese? |  |
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| We need a Director of Football on 09:28 - Apr 8 with 1323 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:49 - Apr 7 by GaryHaddock |
There is either some hanky panky going on, which has happened before to be fair, or more likely in my opinion people just fall to their knees in the presence of wealthy businessmen in whatever field qualified or not.
Sorry to bring it up again but Les, a working class lad, got no such grace after the same amount of time. [Post edited 7 Apr 11:50]
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Unlike you to be into conspiracy theories.
There seems to be a pile on in SteveW6’s direction from the usual suspects implying all kinds of nonsense: reading his posts he’s clearly a long standing QPR supporter so who cares if he’s a new poster? Perhaps he’s just changed his username which happens as you know well….
Some people have different opinions to a few posters who seem to think they know it all and voice them. Thank God as this forum would be dull without this happening.
Your comment about Les Ferdinand is unnecessary too. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 09:53 - Apr 8 with 1263 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 09:28 - Apr 8 by Ned_Kennedys |
Unlike you to be into conspiracy theories.
There seems to be a pile on in SteveW6’s direction from the usual suspects implying all kinds of nonsense: reading his posts he’s clearly a long standing QPR supporter so who cares if he’s a new poster? Perhaps he’s just changed his username which happens as you know well….
Some people have different opinions to a few posters who seem to think they know it all and voice them. Thank God as this forum would be dull without this happening.
Your comment about Les Ferdinand is unnecessary too. |
I understand why new posters are recieved with an element of suspicion but I'm honestly not a club stooge or anyone with an agenda.
What I was told about Marti's involvement with the Madsen deal comes from a source - not Nourry! - who I have no reason to doubt but they could be wrong. The reverse is true, with what others have been told maybe from sources they implicitly trust but they could be wrong.
There's a lot going on behind the scenes at LR at the moment with factions forming in all directions. I don't want to augment these divisions as no one on this side of the fence - the fans - will benefit. There will be only one winner of the debate in the club side and I don't think anyone is niave enough to believe it won't be those with the right ears listening to them....
Definitely a long term fan though my interest now is definitely on the wane and I'm more likely to seem more passionate talking about and defending the past than the present day. [Post edited 8 Apr 9:54]
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| We need a Director of Football on 09:53 - Apr 8 with 1262 views | GaryHaddock |
| We need a Director of Football on 09:28 - Apr 8 by Ned_Kennedys |
Unlike you to be into conspiracy theories.
There seems to be a pile on in SteveW6’s direction from the usual suspects implying all kinds of nonsense: reading his posts he’s clearly a long standing QPR supporter so who cares if he’s a new poster? Perhaps he’s just changed his username which happens as you know well….
Some people have different opinions to a few posters who seem to think they know it all and voice them. Thank God as this forum would be dull without this happening.
Your comment about Les Ferdinand is unnecessary too. |
Wasn't referring to Steve but thanks for your time. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:03 - Apr 8 with 1166 views | wombat |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:47 - Apr 7 by Northernr |
If we're just gonna make stuff up then I'm very much looking forward to taking Jennifer Aniston with me to Oxford United on Wednesday.
She might even pay more for her ticket because I'm such a fcking laugh riot to stand with at QPR away games. |
i can vouch for that clive , esp at the blackpool game a few seasons back when i honestly thought at least homicide was going to be committed that night . |  |
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| We need a Director of Football on 11:04 - Apr 8 with 1163 views | wombat |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:51 - Apr 7 by mart_Goblin |
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| We need a Director of Football on 11:12 - Apr 8 with 1137 views | wombat |
| We need a Director of Football on 18:37 - Apr 7 by SteveW6 |
You're right about the crowds but we still 4th from bottom whe most clubs were funded by gate receipts and player sales.
A few years later after Man Utd showed how essential replica sales were but in the early 90s it had a much smaller impact and we had to be a selling club.
It makes me sad to think we have fans who look back at the early 90s with frustration. To me they were a magical era where we played some beautiful football and had a team, and club, we could be proud of. Off the pitch too they were great days but, of course, that's neither here or there when talking about Thompson's period in charge.
For me it all goes wrong after Thompson leaves and we've never got that club back.
That's the only regret/sadness I have about the era. |
thompson was part of that downfall though selling players and not bringing in replacements . wasnt it peacock he sold for 2.5 mill and replaced him with a youth player . he did make the club money but in a few transfers also destroyed what chance we had to maybe move up a notch , thats down to him. | |
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| We need a Director of Football on 11:43 - Apr 8 with 1078 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:12 - Apr 8 by wombat |
thompson was part of that downfall though selling players and not bringing in replacements . wasnt it peacock he sold for 2.5 mill and replaced him with a youth player . he did make the club money but in a few transfers also destroyed what chance we had to maybe move up a notch , thats down to him. |
We bought Darren Peacock for £200k in 1990 and sold him for £2.7m in 1994.
That's great business.
By the time we sold him we were out of both cups and couldn't win the league and he was given an opportunity to join a side who, at that time, looked like they were going to win a lot of trophies.
Francis bought Steve Yates in as a permanent replacement and was always committed to selling Peacock but wanted the former to settle in before he did.
Everytime we sold a player for big money the manager was given a sizable chunk to spend on payers or keep players on better terms.
Peacock going allowed us to pay for ground improvements, keep Les for another season, and buy Steve Hodge.
We also ensured that the club was in the black.
Beyond 'he should have put his own money in', what other options did we have?
This idea that we should have won a cup is ludicrous. We could have won one, of course, but if you look through our results in cup matches throughout the decade there is little to suggest we would. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:07 - Apr 8 with 994 views | wombat |
| We need a Director of Football on 11:43 - Apr 8 by SteveW6 |
We bought Darren Peacock for £200k in 1990 and sold him for £2.7m in 1994.
That's great business.
By the time we sold him we were out of both cups and couldn't win the league and he was given an opportunity to join a side who, at that time, looked like they were going to win a lot of trophies.
Francis bought Steve Yates in as a permanent replacement and was always committed to selling Peacock but wanted the former to settle in before he did.
Everytime we sold a player for big money the manager was given a sizable chunk to spend on payers or keep players on better terms.
Peacock going allowed us to pay for ground improvements, keep Les for another season, and buy Steve Hodge.
We also ensured that the club was in the black.
Beyond 'he should have put his own money in', what other options did we have?
This idea that we should have won a cup is ludicrous. We could have won one, of course, but if you look through our results in cup matches throughout the decade there is little to suggest we would. |
argument is we was on the up with the usual couple of players short to really push on , yes great profit no doubt but we was also much weaker , seem to remember yates being in and out of the side a lot when peacock was ever present .
u mentioned earlier about various factions within the club and only one winner , that sounds like nourry is feeling the pressure and looking for any support he can get and maybe also trying to force marti and calm out of the club . would this be a correct way if reading that comment ?
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| We need a Director of Football on 12:21 - Apr 8 with 946 views | SteveW6 |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:07 - Apr 8 by wombat |
argument is we was on the up with the usual couple of players short to really push on , yes great profit no doubt but we was also much weaker , seem to remember yates being in and out of the side a lot when peacock was ever present .
u mentioned earlier about various factions within the club and only one winner , that sounds like nourry is feeling the pressure and looking for any support he can get and maybe also trying to force marti and calm out of the club . would this be a correct way if reading that comment ?
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We were on the up but we had reached a ceiling.
We should never downplay what we achieved in the 90s. The 5th place in 1993 was our joint 2nd highest ever finish and we played some great football whilst beating the best sides on occasions. However, we were 7 or 8 significant signings away from winning the title.
Take 1990 and 1995 out of the equation and our cup record throughout the decade is appalling.
Fa cup, 5 3rd round exits, 2 4th round and 1 5th round.
League cup: 5 4th round exits, 2 3rd round , 2 2nd round and 1 1st round.
This isn't a club who showed any potential to win a cup.
As for schisms and factions, there's a lot of jostling to get versions of truth out to willing ears so legacies remain untainted.
Trust no one. [Post edited 8 Apr 12:23]
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| We need a Director of Football on 12:26 - Apr 8 with 920 views | Northernr |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:07 - Apr 8 by wombat |
argument is we was on the up with the usual couple of players short to really push on , yes great profit no doubt but we was also much weaker , seem to remember yates being in and out of the side a lot when peacock was ever present .
u mentioned earlier about various factions within the club and only one winner , that sounds like nourry is feeling the pressure and looking for any support he can get and maybe also trying to force marti and calm out of the club . would this be a correct way if reading that comment ?
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I think we're in for a month or so of content from the Marti's A Clueless Idiot Really genre to get that ground nice and softened up. |  | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:27 - Apr 8 with 915 views | daveB |
thing is about the 90's both sides are right. It was a really succsessful era, we did well bought well and sold for profits which was great but it could have been better and set us up for the next decad. You look at what Chelsea invested around the mid 90's and Newcastle from a worse starting point than us and see what could have been
It's sad that was as good as it got for us, it could have been even better. Some fans at the time could see that and pushed for us to take the next step but we never did and what followed was 25 years of mostly crap | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:28 - Apr 8 with 914 views | GaryBannister86 |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:21 - Apr 8 by SteveW6 |
We were on the up but we had reached a ceiling.
We should never downplay what we achieved in the 90s. The 5th place in 1993 was our joint 2nd highest ever finish and we played some great football whilst beating the best sides on occasions. However, we were 7 or 8 significant signings away from winning the title.
Take 1990 and 1995 out of the equation and our cup record throughout the decade is appalling.
Fa cup, 5 3rd round exits, 2 4th round and 1 5th round.
League cup: 5 4th round exits, 2 3rd round , 2 2nd round and 1 1st round.
This isn't a club who showed any potential to win a cup.
As for schisms and factions, there's a lot of jostling to get versions of truth out to willing ears so legacies remain untainted.
Trust no one. [Post edited 8 Apr 12:23]
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Well, we reached a ceiling that your man Thompson decided upon and imposed.
"7 or 8" signings from winning the title - got to disagree with you there. A box to box midfielder better than Barker alongside Wilkins and if they had stayed fit we could have been sniffing top three. I wouldn't have swapped out many of the others - perhaps a better back up for Les and a couple of better squad players, I would really have fancied us to be at least there or thereabouts, as they say.
I seriously don't understand why you would rather, even now, that your man had taken the money and ripped the side apart rather than have a serious punt by not selling and using perhaps a little of Daddy's money to buy that midfielder. Strange.
As for your argument that his nuance allowed us the funds to sign Yates and Hodge - as Ray would have said - my word.
Anyway, agree to disagree. Fascinating how it can be seen so differently. I guess you could always enjoy the Wegerle stairs rather than watching the great man himself. | | | |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:30 - Apr 8 with 892 views | Northernr |
| We need a Director of Football on 12:27 - Apr 8 by daveB |
thing is about the 90's both sides are right. It was a really succsessful era, we did well bought well and sold for profits which was great but it could have been better and set us up for the next decad. You look at what Chelsea invested around the mid 90's and Newcastle from a worse starting point than us and see what could have been
It's sad that was as good as it got for us, it could have been even better. Some fans at the time could see that and pushed for us to take the next step but we never did and what followed was 25 years of mostly crap |
Absolutely. It wasn't necessarily about pushing on for Europe, cups etc. It was about keeping our seat at the top table because the TV money was exploding. A quick £2m profit on Darren Peacock was nothing compared to what the club would have earned had it stayed in the Prem through the 90s into the 00s. Instead the team got dismantled and relegated at the worst possible moment. | | | |
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