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Is Nourry that bad? 10:55 - Apr 10 with 10817 views

So lots and lots and lots of negative opinions on our CEO ( age doesn’t matter by he way) and I get he doesn’t give Clive access to Marti. He has overseen us not getting a FFP fine when for all the wold it looked like we would. Everyone is drooling over our centre back pairing last night, getting Ronnie Edwards the 1st day of the transfer window has been season defining and Morrison is ours permanently under his watch. The DS is in the semis of their biggest cup competition, the squad looks thin because of injuries, but the opposite if the majority were fit. It’s so much stronger than pre-Nourry. I am a glass half full and maybe feel his communication style is not the strongest but I always felt this was about next season. Surgery yes but not as major as we think, somehow need to stem the injuries ( not his area of expertise). Also hoping the rumours of him and Marti falling out ( on various threads) are untrue, stability is an asset. BTW due to not having enough loyalty points I was sitting with a sea of yellow and blue last night, never heard so many compliments about our players and how the hell are we in the position we are.

Is Nourry that bad? on 09:28 - Apr 11 with 2187 views

Padulas_Shampoo

Is Nourry that bad? on 09:13 - Apr 11 by gazza1
Yea, its all Nourry's fault, nothing to do with the players & management. So much 'rubbish' on this thread by posters who know nothing basically.

Like what Gazza?

Is Nourry that bad? on 09:30 - Apr 11 with 2173 views

Hunterhoop

Is Nourry that bad? on 09:13 - Apr 11 by gazza1
Yea, its all Nourry's fault, nothing to do with the players & management. So much 'rubbish' on this thread by posters who know nothing basically.

C’mon, Gazza. No one is saying “it is all Nourry’s fault”. Clearly it isn’t and can’t be.

But two things:
1) as CEO and DOF you are accountable for all the failings in your organisation, especially an overarching failing

2) consider a different question. Do you think he is good or bad for the club (either short term or long term)? I know where I stand. It seems pretty clear to me where most people who have met him stand (and I include - albeit second hand - “football people” linked to our club in that comment).

I hope, genuinely, I am wrong, my fears are misplaced, my gut feel is incorrect, and he will lead us into a rosier future. I can’t shake the feeling that this won’t be the case. Too much I have heard tells me otherwise.

Is Nourry that bad? on 09:39 - Apr 11 with 2131 views

BrianMcCarthy

Is Nourry that bad? on 09:30 - Apr 11 by Hunterhoop

"I hope, genuinely, I am wrong, my fears are misplaced, my gut feel is incorrect, and he will lead us into a rosier future. I can’t shake the feeling that this won’t be the case. Too much I have heard tells me otherwise."

It's absolutely ok to be worried about his performance so far but also allow for the fact that he might improve. I know I hope that he does.

But if a Championship club had no CEO in June 2025 and no DOF, and Nourry walked through the door for an interview with one year of experience on his CV - 2024/2025 with QPR - would they give him the job? Both jobs?

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Is Nourry that bad? on 09:42 - Apr 11 with 2118 views

gazza1

Is Nourry that bad? on 09:30 - Apr 11 by Hunterhoop

Hunter, TBH i just don't know.

I do not believe, and I know many say that he is, that he is DofF and selects who comes to the Club. He may give the final 'yes' but as far as deciding that 'we are getting him' and not agreeing the signing with the Manager just cannot work. The Manager must want the player otherwise the player doesn't get a game. I would expect the DofF to be on the training pitch 3 or 4 times a week, not sure Nourry does that but I do not know. He wasn't there when I went there to watch them training.

I don't know if he is good or bad for us Hunter, not sure he gets enough praise though. I have a list of questions to ask, if I ever get to see him. Yes, I have heard a few stories, etc so it does worry me.

Is Nourry that bad? on 09:51 - Apr 11 with 2093 views

GaryHaddock

Is Nourry that bad? on 09:42 - Apr 11 by gazza1

Sure enough to rudely call someone else’s input rubbish, but not sure enough to have an opinion yourself.

Is Nourry that bad? on 10:42 - Apr 11 with 1959 views

Gloucs_R

Is Nourry that bad? on 13:46 - Apr 10 by BrizR

Bit of a mixed bag. There's been a lot of good changes since he came in - cutting down the overloaded academy set-up, setting standards for the youth/dev squads that expect players to be progressing fast. The comms was absolutely dreadful over the summer, but he does seem to have taken some of that on board with things like the injury updates. He seems to have been decisive in a lot of areas and pushed to do things that Hoos just couldn't be bothered with by the end, but that's married to having some very strong ideas on things like the contract lengths that just don't make any sense and contribute to feeling like the club is actively walling itself off from the fans.

On the recruitment side I think the misses are very big, but the overall trend is mostly of successes. Just looking at this season:

Nardi, Saito, Morrison, Edwards, Varane are all proper first-team players. Edwards obviously not ours, but managing to get a player as good as that at short notice in an injury crisis is impressive. Saito may or may not be here next year, but at the very least he's been a key member of the squad, especially with Chair being out so much. Whatever else you want to say about players we own vs. players we've loaned I think Yang also has looked decent in the minutes he's done; mistakes made, but would you rather have done the back half of the season without him?

Dembele looked good initially but has struggled to make an impact since coming back from injury. He set up the third goal really well last night though and may just be a case that as he gets back to full match fitness he shows more of the potential that was there. Santos looked overwhelmed by the league, but we got him in cheap and shifted him quickly; any recruitment model looking for value in foreign leagues is going to turn up players like that who just don't cut it in the Championship and at least he was in and out in short order instead of rotting in the reserves for three years. Bennie and Morgan were cheap dev squad prospects who've ended up with more first team minutes than I imagine either of them was expecting; Morgan arguably saved our season in the middle, and while Bennie hasn't done anything spectacular he's at least been a willing body and not made anything worse. For their age/experience you'd not ask much more.

Ashby, not good enough, and it sounds like we decided against Hayden (who would have been a bloody useful player to settle our midfield when we were bedding in lots of inexperienced new recruits!) to get him instead. He did a job at left back when we desperately needed it; hopefully he was cheapish and we can say thanks but off you go back to Newcastle now and try your luck elsewhere. Again, we'll get some of these every year, and at least Ashby has always looked like he wants to play when given the chance, unlike say Ethan Laird.

Celar and Madsen are the two big misses. Celar a bit hard to judge for me; he struggled badly for the first part of the season and I think he does demonstrate a big flaw in our model in that he simply is not the kind of player who thrives in the system we want to play, but the two goals against Cardiff were really well-taken and he looked much more like the striker we were hoping for against Watford before the injury took him out for the season. Maybe Cardiff was just a dog having its day, maybe he would have kicked on from there. Madsen on the other hand has continually looked like he's just not suited to the league, and is the biggest miss for looking solely at stats and data. Last night looked like he could be coached into filling his role after all, and he can't help what the club paid for him, but spending that much money on a budget like ours and getting a player who needs to get 40 games into the season to look like he can cope with the physicality of one of the poorer teams in the division isn't great.

If we end the season and 12 signings turns into 4 starters that we own (assuming Saito ends up bought), a loan that goes back having excelled (Edwards), another that was fine (Yang), one that didn't work out (Ashby), a handful of prospects for the dev squad who are already playing a role in the matchday squad, and a couple of players that weren't good enough, that's a reasonable hit rate.

The big one for me is will any lessons be learned? It does seem like there's been changes in approach during the course of the season, and some climbdowns on some things. If the summer involves us buying another 10 lads out of the Czech league who're all 5'6" waifs who want to play at 10 then clearly not, but if we're a little more pragmatic about physicality and experience then I'll be cautiously optimistic.

Brilliant post and I totally agree with everything you said.

All I can add is that I am in the Marti in camp and would be seriously hacked off if we pushed him out.

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Is Nourry that bad? on 11:44 - Apr 11 with 1869 views

TK1

I'd probably lock this thread now for another eight months, by which time everyone will have much a clearer picture of Nourry's work. It'll be two years into his QPR "project".

If Marti is still at QPR come next winter and the squad has been improved by coaching/analytics committee, is clicking, well, great. What were we worried about?

If there's a new coach and a squad filled by CN's recruitment team...well, then, that'll be all on him. We can judge his work appropriately in that light.

For now, too soon other than to have misgivings based on this season or hope based on what you believe awaits. Jury out, awaiting final testimony.

Is Nourry that bad? on 11:49 - Apr 11 with 1857 views

derbyhoop

I cannot believe the recruitment is down to 1 I dividual. I imagine Marti gives a brief to Belk's ream. Belk tries to find someone to meet that brief and it all gets discussed between Belk, Marti and Nourry. Nourry then does the contracts, recognising our budgetary restrictions.

If CN doesn't reveal contract details, so be it. But, other aspects of the club could be communicated better.

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Is Nourry that bad? on 11:50 - Apr 11 with 1857 views

Padulas_Shampoo

Is Nourry that bad? on 09:42 - Apr 11 by gazza1

"The Manager must want the player otherwise the player doesn't get a game."

Good point... If this were happening we'd seriously be running the risk of spunking £3m on a guy that's played less minutes than than an 18 year old development squad free transfer.

Oh wait... That's exactly what's happened.

Is Nourry that bad? on 11:57 - Apr 11 with 1817 views

gazza1

Is Nourry that bad? on 09:51 - Apr 11 by GaryHaddock
Sure enough to rudely call someone else’s input rubbish, but not sure enough to have an opinion yourself.

A lot of it is 'rubbish', abosolute rubbish becuase it just cannot be true (a lot of it anyways) haddock.......and I am being honest that I do not have a opinion because I do not know. Nowt wrong with that imho.

Is Nourry that bad? on 11:59 - Apr 11 with 1805 views

gazza1

Is Nourry that bad? on 11:50 - Apr 11 by Padulas_Shampoo
"The Manager must want the player otherwise the player doesn't get a game." Good point... If this were happening we'd seriously be running the risk of spunking £3m on a guy that's played less minutes than than an 18 year old development squad free transfer. Oh wait... That's exactly what's happened.

If a player is not playing well, and Madsen hasn't been, whether Nourry or MC signed him then he will 'keep the bench warm. Simples really.

Is Nourry that bad? on 12:14 - Apr 11 with 1758 views

Padulas_Shampoo

Is Nourry that bad? on 11:57 - Apr 11 by gazza1
A lot of it is 'rubbish', abosolute rubbish becuase it just cannot be true (a lot of it anyways) haddock.......and I am being honest that I do not have a opinion because I do not know. Nowt wrong with that imho.

What's rubbish then Gazza? Call it out specifically. Thank goodness you're here as the oracle and arbitrator.

I'm getting wound up a bit by these types of responses because the vast majority of the posts in this thread are actively and carefully balanced. Who's saying 'it's all Nourry's fault' as you facetiously claimed? All I can see are people giving opinions on what's gone well and what hasn't... Which is surely the purpose of the thread?

Is Nourry that bad? on 12:17 - Apr 11 with 1744 views

Padulas_Shampoo

Is Nourry that bad? on 11:59 - Apr 11 by gazza1
If a player is not playing well, and Madsen hasn't been, whether Nourry or MC signed him then he will 'keep the bench warm. Simples really.

So if a player was signed for big money that the manager perhaps didn't fancy he wouldn't get a game... But if a player was signed for big money that didn't get a game it's definitely not because the manager perhaps didn't fancy him? Ok, cool. ta.

Is Nourry that bad? on 12:36 - Apr 11 with 1711 views

E15Hoop

Is Nourry that bad? on 12:17 - Apr 11 by Padulas_Shampoo
So if a player was signed for big money that the manager perhaps didn't fancy he wouldn't get a game... But if a player was signed for big money that didn't get a game it's definitely not because the manager perhaps didn't fancy him? Ok, cool. ta.

With specific reference to Madsen, its pretty clear that Marti rates him, despite what's been written here and elsewhere. The reference to "everything he's been through" when praising him after the Oxford game the other night shows that there's clearly been something going behind the scenes with him, but that Marti's been trying to support him as best as he can within the context of keeping us in the Championship/dealing with injuries etc.

There's a player in there, as most people I think recognise. Maybe we're all guilty of wanting too much too quickly.

Is Nourry that bad? on 13:17 - Apr 11 with 1645 views

TheChef

Is Nourry that bad? on 12:36 - Apr 11 by E15Hoop

"everything he's been through"

Yes I noticed that too - and it's easy to forget when moving to a new country the difficulties that can entail, let along adapting to a new club, coaching staff, team mates and league/style of football.

Again one of the risks of making signings from abroad; you might find value but don't disregard the human element too.

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Is Nourry that bad? on 13:38 - Apr 11 with 1608 views

gazza1

Lets get my views/opinions right.....I have zero insight.

I do not believe that this was a 100% Nourry signing. It was an 'agreed' decision reached by several people including the Manager & Nourry. I do not give 'two hoots', from a playing viewpoint what we paid for him, I put 99% of that down to Nourry, not MC.

Madsen has not played well as most have seen. He has not been selected by MC because he has/is not playing well - that is how it works, Managers jobs, players bonuses depend on players playing well. It's not mates Sunday League football!!!

I do not know if there is a 'player in there somewhere', if there is then I have not seen much of it.

Do I think that he deserves the 'bad' that posters give him, no not yet, he may need time to get adjusted. Not all players run about like Sam Field, some are more controlled and not that type of player and I would suggest Madsen is one of those.

At Oxford I think he deserves much credit, showed good skills, worked hard but still posters do not want to recognise that. He was part of a good team performance.

Is Nourry that bad? on 15:23 - Apr 11 with 1516 views

LongRanger

Initially I was intrigued, given his age and his roll in the audit, but it only took some light scratching and a few weeks for the gloss to wear off. The initial dishonesty was a big problem for me and strongly suggested he knew he was out of his depth, as his actual experience wouldn't justify the appointment.

Since then, we've had his bizarre communication strategy, denying access to the manager, even at a fans forum where he controlled the questions anyway. Clearly there are some positives around the progress on FFP, the youth team appear to have moved in the right way and some of the signings have worked out well.

The measure of success for a CEO is much more than signings though, I want to hear what his long term plan is for the club in all areas, 1st team ambition for the next 3-5 years, how are we going to deliver it, youth development, model for signing players (data, managers recommendation, data and scouting), communication, commercial development with planned revenue streams to deal with FFP, the ground and club in the community. If he turned up to the next forum and said the manager won't be here this time as I want to share my plans, but he'll be here next time, that would be fine by me, but instead he takes vetted questions on fairly trivial topics.

I hope he proves to be successful, it's a big summer, anything could happen, if we move in the direction, I'll happily say I'm wrong, but based on everything I've seen and heard from him, I have serious reservations, but lets see - he isn't going anywhere soon.

Is Nourry that bad? on 15:51 - Apr 11 with 1430 views

ParkRoyalR

Is Nourry that bad? on 12:36 - Apr 11 by E15Hoop

Can see potential in Celar but just can't see it in Madsen.

Just don't think he's cut out for the physicality of the Championship and just does'nt want it enough.

I'm guessing Cifuentes knows this, pointedly praised him after his brief cameo's against Luton & Oxford on the basis we can re-coup at least some of our outlay on him in the close season.

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Is Nourry that bad? on 15:53 - Apr 11 with 1424 views

JamesB1979

Is Nourry that bad? on 09:30 - Apr 11 by Hunterhoop

I’m not sure that’s entirely true. We’ve had threads saying “this is down to Nourry”, “Nourry should walk” and a protest against Nourry thread. Seems that quite a few do hold him solely to blame. I’ve definitely gone from blaming him 20% to over 50% but there’s loads of people at fault here for some of players signed, our performances and injuries. Yet the comments on Nourry seem a bit obsessive.

Is Nourry that bad? on 23:14 - Apr 11 with 1156 views

Hunterhoop

Is Nourry that bad? on 15:53 - Apr 11 by JamesB1979

Not true? I stand by the opening sentence and last paragraph and point you to points 1 and then 2 for the nuance you don’t seem to appreciate.

You can want him out, consider him ultimately accountable, consider him dangerous for the club, and still recognise not everything that has gone wrong/is wrong is personally his fault…and that you want to be wrong on those first few things because you care about the club.

Is Nourry that bad? on 23:57 - Apr 11 with 1098 views

hubble

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I think that's conclusive.

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Is Nourry that bad? on 00:04 - Apr 12 with 1085 views

PunteR

We shouldn't have a 27 year old running the club from top to bottom with no experience at all. That's the problem. This is on the owners.

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Is Nourry that bad? on 04:46 - Apr 12 with 1029 views

JamesB1979

Is Nourry that bad? on 23:14 - Apr 11 by Hunterhoop

I don’t get the nuance in “this is down to Nourry”. But anyway, what I don’t understand is the dislike / hatred of the guy. I think he’s mainly to blame as he’s the CEO but I don’t have any feelings for him either way.

Is Nourry that bad? on 07:11 - Apr 12 with 942 views

QPR_Jim

Is Nourry that bad? on 04:46 - Apr 12 by JamesB1979
I don’t get the nuance in “this is down to Nourry”. But anyway, what I don’t understand is the dislike / hatred of the guy. I think he’s mainly to blame as he’s the CEO but I don’t have any feelings for him either way.

I think as a fanbase we've dealt with a lot of BS-ers, Paladini, Hughes, Redknapp, Beale to name a few. So I think we have a reduced tolerance for this kind of thing and a 27 year old running a recruitment process for a new DoF/CEO and coming up with himself as the answer sits well within that list. Some of his decisions around communication then compound that. Perhaps that's unfair on him but some of that is down to himself and the way he's approached things. I'm sure if he engaged more with the fans he could have got some pointers on how some of his actions come across.

I've been quite clear from the start of the season that the owners should either sack him or get a DoF to do the work on the playing side. I don't think that's unreasonable. He's done some good manoeuvres in the transfer window and I think his data approach is a good strategy but I don't think he should have as much control as he does. He has stated in an interview that if there's a disagreement between Belk and Marti on a signing he'll "take a closer look" and make the decision. What qualifies him for that?

Is Nourry that bad? on 07:19 - Apr 12 with 921 views

mart_Goblin

What hasn’t helped him with a lot of fans is the piece done about 3 years ago in the New York Times affectively explaining how you talk (con) your way into running a football club .
Surely rings massive alarm bells that nearly all clubs would adhere to….surely? Oh.

So yes as others have said , the owners and that includes Lee Hoos, must really carry the can for us having a CEO with zero , none , nadder, zilch , nothing in the way of experience, especially in the line of DOF. He appointed himself that role when I’d say nearly every poster on here is more qualified to do it than he is .

Now recruitment, who is in charge, who’s involved , who has a say etc etc has been done to death here . And why has it been done to death ? Because the CEO doesn’t want you to know , so straight away there is a void in communications to fans , where fans can’t believe the head coach has no say.
I understand S_E’s point about Marti being happy with the squad and saying so in the media.
But anyone who has been around football clubs or even football knows things are said to ‘tow the party line’. MC may have had a say in some signings of course.. He hasn’t in others and perhaps this is where his frustration lied last summer. I have a feeling it’s a number of things including his head of god knows what his title is , Ben Williams phoning it in from Dubai. We are now seeing why perhaps ?
Lastly, go back and read Hunterhoop’s posts. Won’t say what points but he makes some brilliant points that really ring true.

You don’t have to believe any of it and some won’t of course . That’s perfectly fine . But when you read multiple people saying the same thing ….maybe wonder why .

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