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I see that the government are not going to insist on a national enquiry but will leave it to local councils to look into the national scandal which has been the abuse of young white girls , which imo is a disgrace in itself considering the collusion of some police officers and officials.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
He is just one , the Post Office scandal is big and if the children enquiry is carried out with due diligence than it will dwarf the PO enquiry. Hopefully the truth will out and those who are are to have been part of the coverup are publicly exposed.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
And this man thought there was no need to look at these things.
On the other hand Starmer is now doing the right hing within 12 months of taking power.
No whataboutary, just facts about the Tory priorities.
Starmer “doing the right thing”? He’s been dragged kicking and screaming to this point. He had no choice. He’s done everything he possibly can to sweep this issue under the carpet and pretend it’s not happening. Meanwhile thousands of children have probably been abused under his watch.
Interesting that Sky say they have confirmed with Whitehall Officials what Cummings has said. You wonder how much of the truth will come out, so many people are in the firing line of this inquiry.
Starmer “doing the right thing”? He’s been dragged kicking and screaming to this point. He had no choice. He’s done everything he possibly can to sweep this issue under the carpet and pretend it’s not happening. Meanwhile thousands of children have probably been abused under his watch.
He was also Director of Public Prosecution for five years during a lot of it. He'll have questions to answer that go beyond his obfuscation as Prime Minister.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
Interesting that Sky say they have confirmed with Whitehall Officials what Cummings has said. You wonder how much of the truth will come out, so many people are in the firing line of this inquiry.
Why is it only now is Cummings exposing this story , was he part of the problem but feels he's he's not.
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
And this man thought there was no need to look at these things.
On the other hand Starmer is now doing the right hing within 12 months of taking power.
No whataboutary, just facts about the Tory priorities.
Starmer and co along with too many others didn't want an enquiry and now you're trying to make him sound like a saint . He was a major part of the problem and in a number of key positions and even now within his recent announcement he's slowing down the process .Your hatred of the Torys is blinding you to the fact that the 3 main political parties are complicit , concentrate you thoughts on that .
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
Starmer and co along with too many others didn't want an enquiry and now you're trying to make him sound like a saint . He was a major part of the problem and in a number of key positions and even now within his recent announcement he's slowing down the process .Your hatred of the Torys is blinding you to the fact that the 3 main political parties are complicit , concentrate you thoughts on that .
It’s not just the main parties. Lunatic fringe parties like Plaid have regularly and consistently voted with Labour to stop there being an inquiry.
Why is it only now is Cummings exposing this story , was he part of the problem but feels he's he's not.
No doubt he was in the system, but I'd say far away from a decision maker here. Local Government Members and Executives, Children's Services Directors and Senior Police Officers look like the main suspects in deciding that 10 years olds weren't at risk because they were prostituting themselves.
Maybe this useless Sir Starmer should get the small boats crisis under control too .
Or maybe a PM with a spineless Cabinet behind him like nodding dogs in the back seat of a car frightened of losing their precious seat , please vote for me and I will appease you .
Daily Express will have front page headlines , UK is going to hell in a handcart , doomed .
Many folk try to be liberal and tolerant, but now I am really angry of we are as a once proud United Kingdom .
No doubt he was in the system, but I'd say far away from a decision maker here. Local Government Members and Executives, Children's Services Directors and Senior Police Officers look like the main suspects in deciding that 10 years olds weren't at risk because they were prostituting themselves.
This is precisely the problem.
People think that the Government runs the country. They don't. Sure, they can pull a few big levers here and there, but the vast majority of the actual management work is done by the civil service, local government, quangos etc. That's been the case for decades. Yes Minister was almost as much documentary as sitcom.
The problem we've got is that a certain type of person tends to be found at the higher levels of all of them. People like Sue Grey. Technically impartial as a Civil Servant but her political leanings couldn't have been more obvious if she'd marched down Whitehall shouting them out with a megaphone.
They are "The Blob" that Cummings frequently discussed. Sometimes these days labelled "The Lanyard Class", and I'm quite disappointed that his vague promises to tear the lot down amounted to very little.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
This is one of too many who have influence in the media .
then we have a leader of a Political party who were in power for 14 years , 14 years in which they had the chance to do the right thing .
It is worth noting, as everyone seems to have forgotten, that for the first five of those years they had to negotiate a Coalition with the Lib Dems.
In general though you're right. A Tory Government reminiscent of any that we'd seen prior to 2010 would have done a better job, but Cameron and then May were only ever Tory Lite.
Huge amounts of damage were done over the previous 13 years though. 1st May 1997 was a dark day in British history. An Old Labour Government would at least have only wrecked the economy. For all they've never understood finances, they at least understood the importance of a Nation State. New Labour f*cked everything.
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Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
This is one of too many who have influence in the media .
then we have a leader of a Political party who were in power for 14 years , 14 years in which they had the chance to do the right thing .
If he'd answered the question he could have explained why he wasn't being racists. He didn't and based on the facts that Maitlis presents he does appear to be racist.
And the Tories (Amber Rudd, Rishi Sunak) actually refused two requests request for a national inquiry in 2016 on exactly the same grounds as Satrmer refused one request.
Starmer and co along with too many others didn't want an enquiry and now you're trying to make him sound like a saint . He was a major part of the problem and in a number of key positions and even now within his recent announcement he's slowing down the process .Your hatred of the Torys is blinding you to the fact that the 3 main political parties are complicit , concentrate you thoughts on that .
You are just guessing shite.
The inquiry will reveal all.
Starmer has set this up within 12 months, the Tories failed for 14 years.
Maybe this useless Sir Starmer should get the small boats crisis under control too .
Or maybe a PM with a spineless Cabinet behind him like nodding dogs in the back seat of a car frightened of losing their precious seat , please vote for me and I will appease you .
Daily Express will have front page headlines , UK is going to hell in a handcart , doomed .
Many folk try to be liberal and tolerant, but now I am really angry of we are as a once proud United Kingdom .
The UK will only survive by moving to a Federated model.
The ‘London knows best’ model is dead in the water.
Not sure we have had much to shout about since 1945.
Starmer has set this up within 12 months, the Tories failed for 14 years.
You're right, it was a massive Tory failure because they were shite.
On the other hand, you are wrong, Starmer U-turned and only did so because he was under immense pressure and the Casey report left him nowhere to go.
It was the Labour bloke in Telford who tried to cover things up but he's been outed too.
Kilky it doesn't matter how shit the tories were, it doesn't absolve Labour of blame when they get things wrong. Starmer didn't want an inquiry, he said he didn't think a national inquiry was needed but here he is, u-turned and finally facing the right way.
You're right, it was a massive Tory failure because they were shite.
On the other hand, you are wrong, Starmer U-turned and only did so because he was under immense pressure and the Casey report left him nowhere to go.
It was the Labour bloke in Telford who tried to cover things up but he's been outed too.
Kilky it doesn't matter how shit the tories were, it doesn't absolve Labour of blame when they get things wrong. Starmer didn't want an inquiry, he said he didn't think a national inquiry was needed but here he is, u-turned and finally facing the right way.
It was the current government that commissioned the report though.
The current Labour MP for Telford was replying to the findings of the original inquiry AFTER a specific national inquiry was refused by the Conservative government.
If he'd answered the question he could have explained why he wasn't being racists. He didn't and based on the facts that Maitlis presents he does appear to be racist.
And the Tories (Amber Rudd, Rishi Sunak) actually refused two requests request for a national inquiry in 2016 on exactly the same grounds as Satrmer refused one request.
Are you saying that Maitlis's claim about the stats is correct? This directly contradicts what Casey found in the three localities where fuller stats on ethnicity had been collected. Maitlis appears to have told a flat-out untruth, comparable with Darren Jones' recent 'mostly women and children' fib. Just like the professionals and agencies involved in the original rape gang scandal, she misrepresents what happened and denies the real problem. Even Yvette Cooper recognises this.
Cooper in the HoC: 'In the local data that the audit examined from 3 police forces they identify clear evidence of over-representation among suspects of Asian and Pakistani-heritage men. And she refers to “examples of organisations avoiding the topic altogether for fear of appearing racist or raising community tensions”.'
The Casey Report discusses and dismisses the statistics Maitlis cited, which were based on a Home Office Report that used dubious statistical methodology.
'VKPP and COCAD reports on child sexual abuse and exploitation data were not available at the time the Home Office published their paper but, as discussed earlier in this chapter, their data does not include sufficient ethnicity data to conclude that the majority of offenders are White. Given this, we also find it hard to understand how the Home Office reached the conclusion in their paper that the ethnicity of group-based child sexual exploitation offenders is likely to be in line with child sexual abuse more generally and with the general population i.e. “with the majority of offenders being White”.' (p. 79).
Based on analysis of data from the localities of Greater Manchester, West Yorkshire and Rotherham, where more complete data on group-based abuse were available, Casey concludes as follows.
'Despite the lack of a full picture in the national data sets, there was and is enough evidence available in local police data in three areas which we examined which show disproportionate numbers of suspects from Asian ethnic backgrounds, as well as in the significant number of perpetrators of Asian ethnicity identified in local reviews and child sexual exploitation prosecutions across the country, to warrant further examination. More effort is required to identify the nature of group-based child sexual exploitation and why it appears men of Asian and Pakistani ethnicity are disproportionately represented in some areas, in order to understand it better, and to tackle it more effectively." (p.87)'
Are you saying that Maitlis's claim about the stats is correct? This directly contradicts what Casey found in the three localities where fuller stats on ethnicity had been collected. Maitlis appears to have told a flat-out untruth, comparable with Darren Jones' recent 'mostly women and children' fib. Just like the professionals and agencies involved in the original rape gang scandal, she misrepresents what happened and denies the real problem. Even Yvette Cooper recognises this.
Cooper in the HoC: 'In the local data that the audit examined from 3 police forces they identify clear evidence of over-representation among suspects of Asian and Pakistani-heritage men. And she refers to “examples of organisations avoiding the topic altogether for fear of appearing racist or raising community tensions”.'
The Casey Report discusses and dismisses the statistics Maitlis cited, which were based on a Home Office Report that used dubious statistical methodology.
'VKPP and COCAD reports on child sexual abuse and exploitation data were not available at the time the Home Office published their paper but, as discussed earlier in this chapter, their data does not include sufficient ethnicity data to conclude that the majority of offenders are White. Given this, we also find it hard to understand how the Home Office reached the conclusion in their paper that the ethnicity of group-based child sexual exploitation offenders is likely to be in line with child sexual abuse more generally and with the general population i.e. “with the majority of offenders being White”.' (p. 79).
Based on analysis of data from the localities of Greater Manchester, West Yorkshire and Rotherham, where more complete data on group-based abuse were available, Casey concludes as follows.
'Despite the lack of a full picture in the national data sets, there was and is enough evidence available in local police data in three areas which we examined which show disproportionate numbers of suspects from Asian ethnic backgrounds, as well as in the significant number of perpetrators of Asian ethnicity identified in local reviews and child sexual exploitation prosecutions across the country, to warrant further examination. More effort is required to identify the nature of group-based child sexual exploitation and why it appears men of Asian and Pakistani ethnicity are disproportionately represented in some areas, in order to understand it better, and to tackle it more effectively." (p.87)'
If Rupert Lowe was media savvy and knew the subject he was being questioned on he should have been able to answer the question. He clearly couldn't and, based on the stats quoted to him which he didn't dispute, he appeared to be racist.
I'm still not sure a national enquiry is the best way to handle this. This is based on the track record on things like Grenfell, the infected blood scandle and the previous 7 years in the making child sexual exploitation one.
The all seemed to take an age and very little was done as a consequence.
Still, it's happening now and lets hope its effective but in the meantime, I hope Casey's recomendations are all put in place quickly. A start has been made but continued pace is important.
You're right, it was a massive Tory failure because they were shite.
On the other hand, you are wrong, Starmer U-turned and only did so because he was under immense pressure and the Casey report left him nowhere to go.
It was the Labour bloke in Telford who tried to cover things up but he's been outed too.
Kilky it doesn't matter how shit the tories were, it doesn't absolve Labour of blame when they get things wrong. Starmer didn't want an inquiry, he said he didn't think a national inquiry was needed but here he is, u-turned and finally facing the right way.
Starmer was wrong then, but he is right now.
Lets find out what happened and get justice for the victims.
I'm still not sure a national enquiry is the best way to handle this. This is based on the track record on things like Grenfell, the infected blood scandle and the previous 7 years in the making child sexual exploitation one.
The all seemed to take an age and very little was done as a consequence.
Still, it's happening now and lets hope its effective but in the meantime, I hope Casey's recomendations are all put in place quickly. A start has been made but continued pace is important.
Valid points there. I'm not sure that the Covid one will do much other than repeat the talking points about timing of lockdowns and associated stuff instead of asking whether our response should actually have been based on the work of someone with Neil Ferguson's track record or look into some of the almost petty reactions of Drakeford. The results all seem a bit pre-determined.
If we're going to have one it should have absolutely free reign to call whoever it likes, and point the finger at whoever it likes. There have already been attempts by some to limit its scope.
Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back.
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