| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? 05:59 - Apr 28 with 14230 views | TalkingSutty |
Does anybody else feel it, or is it just me? What a turnaround in one year, from the depths of despair to clinching a play off spot. Today is a happy Monday and the mood inside the club must be transformed when you think of what's gone on over recent years, a desperate battle to save the club and pay the bills. I'm happy for the club staff and those in the Boardroom, the club has now been stabilised and it's on a upward trajectory, our league position proves that. The league position dictates everything that happens at any football club, especially the mood around the place. Play off tickets will be going on sale soon..how good does that sound after the terrible journey we've had to endure since the Bottomley saga? The cleansing of the club wasn't a option, we wouldn't have had a club now had that not been done. Messy business but worth it.
Jim McNulty and the players have achieved what they set out to do this season, reached the play offs, they need congratulating for that. There is no pressure on them now, we are capable of beating anybody on our day but the opposition are amongst the best eight teams in the league so we can also lose. Let's be brave and just go for it see what happens.
Then we come to the word that every manager hates.. expectancy. What's the expectancy for the next two seasons should we fail to win promotion this time? I think it's exactly what we've seen this season, to qualify for a play off place but possibly a top three finish if possible. It's unrealistic to expect us to win the league at the start of any season and that's too much pressure for any manager and set of players to cope with.
So, season tickets go on sale today and if you have the good of the club at heart there is no valid reason now not to buy one, unless youre financially strapped. Football is all about opinions and we all have them in regards to football managers, style of play and various players but the bottom line is, Jim and the players have achieved what was expected this season and deserve to be supported going forward. With a few more quality editions we are only going to get better next season.
So thanks to the involvement of the Ogden family the tanker has now been turned around and the infrastructure of the club has been strengthened with quality staff recruited. The heavy burden has been lifted off Simon Gauge who suddenly looks ten years younger and we are now set to sail towards a much brighter future. The Town needs a good news story and thats what we are now seeing thanks to the Ogden family and everybody involved. Today feels like we've finally turned the corner and the cloak of despondency can be discarded. The new era has finally started. [Post edited 28 Apr 8:41]
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 13:31 - May 1 with 3790 views | 442Dale |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 13:13 - May 1 by pioneer |
and how important the 12 points dropped have turned out to be. |
They can’t all be considered dropped points when we equalised in injury time against Tamworth and Halifax missed a late penalty the Shay.
Whatever the faults of this season, at best we would have been competing for third looking at the points totals. And I don’t know anyone who would have been disappointed with 4th, especially with much improved home form. |  |
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 14:28 - May 1 with 3664 views | TalkingSutty |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 13:31 - May 1 by 442Dale |
They can’t all be considered dropped points when we equalised in injury time against Tamworth and Halifax missed a late penalty the Shay.
Whatever the faults of this season, at best we would have been competing for third looking at the points totals. And I don’t know anyone who would have been disappointed with 4th, especially with much improved home form. |
The poor performances can't be glossed over though because there have been too many that have left you wondering what the players are trying to achieve. Too many that have left everybody in the stadium wondering why are we deliberately playing like this?
It's great that we've finished in 4th place but I'm detecting a urge from some to pretend some of what we've witnessed this season never happened. It got to the point where the manager was coming under pressure and turned on his heels after one game, expecting applause from the Sandy Lane faithful but received the exact opposite. Plenty on this forum posting that he was only one or two more bad results away from maybe losing his job and that was only a couple of months ago. I accept we can always throw in below par performances but the frustration is that the way the team approached some games and the in game management didn't need to happen. We need to be better next season and so does the manager, he needs to learn from his mistakes and not bask in the glory of a league table that he says he never looks at.
Plenty of fans have stated on this forum throughout the season that the squad of players we had was good enough to finish in a play off spot, when you factor in the points we threw away against the poorest teams in this league we should have finished in 3rd place. The manager was more interested in trying to implement a footballing philosophy rather than getting hold of the game by the scruff of the neck. We've seen what happens when we cut out all this overplaying from the back, strolling around with the ball in our own half, when we play with pace and look to get the ball forward we're a different team and recent displays and results have proved that. The home form has been improved but some of the home performances have been diabolical and the fans have responded accordingly. [Post edited 1 May 14:30]
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 14:35 - May 1 with 3636 views | TVOS1907 |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 13:13 - May 1 by pioneer |
and how important the 12 points dropped have turned out to be. |
Every team in the league could say that about some games in a 46-game season. I bet our fellow play-off contenders will all have similar examples. That's probably why they're trailing in our wake now. |  |
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 15:39 - May 1 with 3518 views | 442Dale |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 14:28 - May 1 by TalkingSutty |
The poor performances can't be glossed over though because there have been too many that have left you wondering what the players are trying to achieve. Too many that have left everybody in the stadium wondering why are we deliberately playing like this?
It's great that we've finished in 4th place but I'm detecting a urge from some to pretend some of what we've witnessed this season never happened. It got to the point where the manager was coming under pressure and turned on his heels after one game, expecting applause from the Sandy Lane faithful but received the exact opposite. Plenty on this forum posting that he was only one or two more bad results away from maybe losing his job and that was only a couple of months ago. I accept we can always throw in below par performances but the frustration is that the way the team approached some games and the in game management didn't need to happen. We need to be better next season and so does the manager, he needs to learn from his mistakes and not bask in the glory of a league table that he says he never looks at.
Plenty of fans have stated on this forum throughout the season that the squad of players we had was good enough to finish in a play off spot, when you factor in the points we threw away against the poorest teams in this league we should have finished in 3rd place. The manager was more interested in trying to implement a footballing philosophy rather than getting hold of the game by the scruff of the neck. We've seen what happens when we cut out all this overplaying from the back, strolling around with the ball in our own half, when we play with pace and look to get the ball forward we're a different team and recent displays and results have proved that. The home form has been improved but some of the home performances have been diabolical and the fans have responded accordingly. [Post edited 1 May 14:30]
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I don’t know of anyone who has glossed over the bad performances.
Nor those who pretend some of what we’ve witnessed hasn’t happened. Some have been fair with criticism and praise alike.
Correcting a point with evidence isn’t doing either. | |
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 16:12 - May 1 with 3467 views | TalkingSutty |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 15:39 - May 1 by 442Dale |
I don’t know of anyone who has glossed over the bad performances.
Nor those who pretend some of what we’ve witnessed hasn’t happened. Some have been fair with criticism and praise alike.
Correcting a point with evidence isn’t doing either. |
No i understand that. I just think we've managed to snatch more draws and defeats from the jaws of victory rather than the other way around. Just one look at our posession stats in the majority of those games will tell you that. Our performances against the teams near the bottom of the league also indicate we might still have underachieved by finishing fourth. [Post edited 1 May 16:14]
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 16:31 - May 1 with 3419 views | Trev |
It's the teams against, and manner in which, we have dropped so many points this season that has been so alarming. It points to two things; a mentality issue and /or a failure in the way we set up against the really poor sides.
Whilst our recent good form is welcome, when reviewing the season as a whole, there has to be some disappointment we couldn't push for that third spot. |  | | |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 16:54 - May 1 with 3372 views | TalkingSutty |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 16:31 - May 1 by Trev |
It's the teams against, and manner in which, we have dropped so many points this season that has been so alarming. It points to two things; a mentality issue and /or a failure in the way we set up against the really poor sides.
Whilst our recent good form is welcome, when reviewing the season as a whole, there has to be some disappointment we couldn't push for that third spot. |
...and to kick on again next season, irrespective of which league we are in, those failings have to be acknowledged and rectified. The playing budget is supposedly increased season on season during the three year plan so hopefully those areas will be addressed. Two draws against Ebsfleet is a difficult one to explain when you look at the numbers of goals they've conceded this season. The manager and players deserve a big pat on their backs for this season but there's still plenty of room for improvement both in performances and being more ruthless in front of goal. | | | |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 17:14 - May 1 with 3324 views | judd |
A key turning point has been the decision to start Hendo in games, which has brought the desired results. Allied with an upturn in Rodney's form and fitness and Beckwith getting back to his best.
The recent result versus Fylde probably was possibly reflective of the decision not to start Hendo.
And kudos to Simon for bringing back Hendo, for him to go on and and break the goal scoring record whilst simultaneously urinating on the Patisserie Valerie fries of a former director and employee. Boo hoo. |  |
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 17:15 - May 1 with 3320 views | 442Dale |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 16:12 - May 1 by TalkingSutty |
No i understand that. I just think we've managed to snatch more draws and defeats from the jaws of victory rather than the other way around. Just one look at our posession stats in the majority of those games will tell you that. Our performances against the teams near the bottom of the league also indicate we might still have underachieved by finishing fourth. [Post edited 1 May 16:14]
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Yeah that’s why in the main I believe we should have been challenging for third.
Though, being fair, in the games against the teams in and around us in the playoffs we’ve done quite well. Looking back the games against Altrincham, Gateshead and Halifax were crucial in finishing where we have. All but the Halifax away game have seen good performances with us finding different ways to win. | |
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 22:02 - May 1 with 3072 views | TalkingSutty |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 17:15 - May 1 by 442Dale |
Yeah that’s why in the main I believe we should have been challenging for third.
Though, being fair, in the games against the teams in and around us in the playoffs we’ve done quite well. Looking back the games against Altrincham, Gateshead and Halifax were crucial in finishing where we have. All but the Halifax away game have seen good performances with us finding different ways to win. |
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 22:14 - May 1 with 3036 views | TalkingSutty |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 17:14 - May 1 by judd |
A key turning point has been the decision to start Hendo in games, which has brought the desired results. Allied with an upturn in Rodney's form and fitness and Beckwith getting back to his best.
The recent result versus Fylde probably was possibly reflective of the decision not to start Hendo.
And kudos to Simon for bringing back Hendo, for him to go on and and break the goal scoring record whilst simultaneously urinating on the Patisserie Valerie fries of a former director and employee. Boo hoo. |
Exactly, further evidence of how incompetent and vindictive Bottomley was. I love Gary Jones to death but Hendo is alongside him now. A wonderful servant but Bottomley wanted him out of the club, couldn't have him breaking Reg Jenkins record. The fans knew though, they aren't daft and it further fuelled their suspicions in respect of the unqualified CEO. The FA then nailed his hat on and banned him from football for two years and it was well deserved. If Oldham ever play rugby at Spotland i hope he's banned from attending. If not I would urge as many Dale fans to buy tickets for the main stand and attend. He needs reminding of how bad he is. His side kick Rawlinson is exactly the same, the Ratcliffe has thrived since he was turfed out of the club by the fans. Coincidence? I think not. Two individuals who would have killed our club and slept easy in their beds. [Post edited 2 May 6:22]
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 00:04 - May 2 with 2933 views | Sandyman |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 22:14 - May 1 by TalkingSutty |
Exactly, further evidence of how incompetent and vindictive Bottomley was. I love Gary Jones to death but Hendo is alongside him now. A wonderful servant but Bottomley wanted him out of the club, couldn't have him breaking Reg Jenkins record. The fans knew though, they aren't daft and it further fuelled their suspicions in respect of the unqualified CEO. The FA then nailed his hat on and banned him from football for two years and it was well deserved. If Oldham ever play rugby at Spotland i hope he's banned from attending. If not I would urge as many Dale fans to buy tickets for the main stand and attend. He needs reminding of how bad he is. His side kick Rawlinson is exactly the same, the Ratcliffe has thrived since he was turfed out of the club by the fans. Coincidence? I think not. Two individuals who would have killed our club and slept easy in their beds. [Post edited 2 May 6:22]
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"If Oldham ever play rugby at the COE I hope he's banned from attending."
I've asked that question in correspondence but haven't received a reply as yet. Will fire off a reminder. |  | | |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 01:15 - May 2 with 2904 views | Shun |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 17:14 - May 1 by judd |
A key turning point has been the decision to start Hendo in games, which has brought the desired results. Allied with an upturn in Rodney's form and fitness and Beckwith getting back to his best.
The recent result versus Fylde probably was possibly reflective of the decision not to start Hendo.
And kudos to Simon for bringing back Hendo, for him to go on and and break the goal scoring record whilst simultaneously urinating on the Patisserie Valerie fries of a former director and employee. Boo hoo. |
Presuming the director in question is Bottomley, why ever didn’t he want Henderson back? |  | | |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 01:41 - May 2 with 2883 views | Sandyman |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 01:15 - May 2 by Shun |
Presuming the director in question is Bottomley, why ever didn’t he want Henderson back? |
See TS's post of 22:14 yesterday | | | |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 06:23 - May 2 with 2777 views | TalkingSutty |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 01:15 - May 2 by Shun |
Presuming the director in question is Bottomley, why ever didn’t he want Henderson back? |
Why did he get rid of him? | | | |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 07:58 - May 2 with 2662 views | judd |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 01:15 - May 2 by Shun |
Presuming the director in question is Bottomley, why ever didn’t he want Henderson back? |
He wanted and got rid of Hendo.
We had got rid of his stain before Hendo returned. | |
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 09:09 - May 2 with 2567 views | wozzrafc |
Ban him ? Oh no!!!
And that would have been my first ever Hornets game to!! I’m sure I wouldn’t be the only Dalefan making that game. 😡😡😡😡 [Post edited 2 May 9:09]
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 09:57 - May 2 with 2513 views | judd |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 00:04 - May 2 by Sandyman |
"If Oldham ever play rugby at the COE I hope he's banned from attending."
I've asked that question in correspondence but haven't received a reply as yet. Will fire off a reminder. |
There is the voice of the fans in the boardroom, isn't there? | |
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 11:56 - May 2 with 2347 views | Plattyswrinklynuts |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 00:04 - May 2 by Sandyman |
"If Oldham ever play rugby at the COE I hope he's banned from attending."
I've asked that question in correspondence but haven't received a reply as yet. Will fire off a reminder. |
Surely we should be allowing that individual to attend the game?
It would bump up the crowd & allow fans to show “his pomopusness” how much we “appreciate” his tenure at the club…. |  | | |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 12:06 - May 2 with 2330 views | TalkingSutty |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 09:57 - May 2 by judd |
There is the voice of the fans in the boardroom, isn't there? |
...and also Simon Gauge who was left to pick up the pieces at a massive cost to him and his family. I wouldn't imagine Bottomley will be allowed on the club car park, never mind inside the club. | | | |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 12:25 - May 2 with 2289 views | TyroneShoelaces |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 22:14 - May 1 by TalkingSutty |
Exactly, further evidence of how incompetent and vindictive Bottomley was. I love Gary Jones to death but Hendo is alongside him now. A wonderful servant but Bottomley wanted him out of the club, couldn't have him breaking Reg Jenkins record. The fans knew though, they aren't daft and it further fuelled their suspicions in respect of the unqualified CEO. The FA then nailed his hat on and banned him from football for two years and it was well deserved. If Oldham ever play rugby at Spotland i hope he's banned from attending. If not I would urge as many Dale fans to buy tickets for the main stand and attend. He needs reminding of how bad he is. His side kick Rawlinson is exactly the same, the Ratcliffe has thrived since he was turfed out of the club by the fans. Coincidence? I think not. Two individuals who would have killed our club and slept easy in their beds. [Post edited 2 May 6:22]
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Rumour has it that there was 'an arrangement' between
Rawlinson and the then Ratcliffe manager re extra barrels
being ordered on the Club account but not ending up in
the clubs cellar
Again is that a coincidence that once he was removed that
Rawlinson's, Westrose Leisure Ltd was struck off
at Co House shortly after ? | | | |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 17:06 - May 2 with 1985 views | TalkingSutty |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 12:25 - May 2 by TyroneShoelaces |
Rumour has it that there was 'an arrangement' between
Rawlinson and the then Ratcliffe manager re extra barrels
being ordered on the Club account but not ending up in
the clubs cellar
Again is that a coincidence that once he was removed that
Rawlinson's, Westrose Leisure Ltd was struck off
at Co House shortly after ? |
Not sure about that. I know the Ratcliffe experience was very poor compared to what we see today, that at a time when home gates were higher and we were competing in L1 and L2. I believe Rawlinson was the Director who oversaw that side of the club so it reflects very poorly on him. The shareholders had his number though and he was subsequently shown the door. They all jumped in bed with Morton House, they didn't care what happened to the club. [Post edited 2 May 17:08]
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 18:41 - May 2 with 1890 views | James1980 |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 17:06 - May 2 by TalkingSutty |
Not sure about that. I know the Ratcliffe experience was very poor compared to what we see today, that at a time when home gates were higher and we were competing in L1 and L2. I believe Rawlinson was the Director who oversaw that side of the club so it reflects very poorly on him. The shareholders had his number though and he was subsequently shown the door. They all jumped in bed with Morton House, they didn't care what happened to the club. [Post edited 2 May 17:08]
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Hopefully the football regulator will be able to prevent a similar situation happening to another club. | |
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| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 11:29 - May 3 with 1453 views | Dale69er |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 12:25 - May 2 by TyroneShoelaces |
Rumour has it that there was 'an arrangement' between
Rawlinson and the then Ratcliffe manager re extra barrels
being ordered on the Club account but not ending up in
the clubs cellar
Again is that a coincidence that once he was removed that
Rawlinson's, Westrose Leisure Ltd was struck off
at Co House shortly after ? |
Don't know if there was any "arrangement", but we had audited accounts and if memory serves they were "qualified" owing to the standard (or lack of) records relating to the Ratcliffe. |  | | |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 11:41 - May 3 with 1422 views | 100notout |
| Twelve months on...the return of the feel good factor? on 12:25 - May 2 by TyroneShoelaces |
Rumour has it that there was 'an arrangement' between
Rawlinson and the then Ratcliffe manager re extra barrels
being ordered on the Club account but not ending up in
the clubs cellar
Again is that a coincidence that once he was removed that
Rawlinson's, Westrose Leisure Ltd was struck off
at Co House shortly after ? |
I've no proof that that was the case but I strongly suspect that that happened. Suffice to say at the time the clubs audited accounts were qualified to the extent that (and I paraphrase) .......
"there are inadequate records in respect of the income and expenditure details relating to the Radcliffe Arms" and "we have not received all the information and explanations we require to complete our audit".
I raised this as an issue at the AGM and was assured that this had been addressed. Needless to say the auditors made the same qualification in the following years account. I have no doubt there were some dodgy dealings going on over that period. Good riddance. | |
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