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Surely this is the question on every fans' mind after last night, and hopefully on the Ogdens.
In the credit column, BJ is a decent guy and has steered the Dale ship through very choppy waters. The players seem to like him, and you would probably argue that a semi final place in the FA Trophy, and a quarter final exit in the Playoffs is above par based on expectations at the start of the season. He knows the squad, and should know its strengths better than anyone, and SHOULD know where it needs improving. Are we just a few pieces away from a winning jigsaw?
The counter arguments are plentiful - if one definition of insanity is repeating the same thing and expecting different results, we all have collectively experienced deja vous too many times to count. Game management has been woeful at the crunch points - Spennymore, and the 70 minute mark yesterday being the most damning. The style of football is boring to watch, and his tactical inflexibility seems to be known to every opposition manager, particularly the ones with lesser resources whose cunning plan of the "low block" seem to have us totally stumped. Does anyone remember having a winger like Mendez-Laing galloping down the wing, taking men on, and delivering juicy crosses? Combative strikers in the mould of Grant Holt and CoG actually jumping for headers and taking shots whenever the opportunity arises? Keepers who can command their box, and save shots rather than aiming to be a Pirlo. Those are the things which will deliver bums on seats, and gives us a chance of Project 5000.
Should we go again with a few tweaks in the right places, or do we roll the dice and get an experienced, progressive manager for the National League who understands when to mix it, when to go for it, and when to circle the wagons? If the latter, surely now's the time to do it with a full Summer ahead of us rather than loading the bullet in November after the squad is full of another man's players and behind the chasing pack.
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Should he stay or should he go? on 10:00 - May 19 with 1540 views
How many more opportunities to grow the fanbase are going to be bottled?
How many more games and opportunities to achieve success are going to be bottled in the final minutes?
I alluded to it a while back on another thread but what we all see as common sense quite simply gets labelled as nonsense by people like McNulty and others involved in football. That substitution of Allarakhia on Thursday night was suicidal and we all knew it.
We can all see what's wrong. Why can't he?
I don't want him to be anywhere near this club come the start of pre season. He doesn't have the tactical intelligence to manage the difficult games or the capability of finding a way to win against relegation threatened teams.
We all wanted him to prove us wrong but he's just reinforced the fact that he's not the man to take us forward (or up!).
Should he stay or should he go? on 09:49 - May 19 by ProudDale
Having kicked this off, this thread should hopefully provide a useful barometer of the fans' feelings of the state of the Dale world.
What I think is obvious is that every fan wants a Jim v2.0 come the start of the season if he is to stay (which seems by far the most likely outcome). One that is more tactically flexible, one that is prepared to play faster more direct football at times. The option for the defence or the keeper to hit wingers who take on their man, and then deliver crosses, rather than reaching the 18 yard box and automatically passing backwards or inside. The recruitment requirements should be obvious to all - we need at least one Bird type up front, and Mitchell should be allowed to develop elsewhere. A stable, dominant keeper is another must, along with more power in the centre of midfield. The zonal marking also looked a car crash in some of the recent games, particularly the Southend one - and can we have a striker on the half way line at corners please. We don't know what's said inside the changing room, but the public Jim needs to be more confident, less reliant on repeating the same old rubbish about clout, and actually BELIEVE we can get promotion. If he doesn't believe it, what chance does anyone else at the Club?
The measure of success for next season isn't as binary as promotion or nothing. Raised crowd numbers and an improved atmosphere would be a major step in the right direction. For this to happen though the brand of football needs to be more exciting - there have been so many missed opportunities this season to engage the "floating fans" who have turned up on the big games, only to deliver the football equivalent of watching paint dry. It is an entertainment business after all, even if the long-standing Dale fans might have been forced to forget this on many occasions over our history.
If the leopard can't change its spots, I firmly agree with the view that any new appointment would need to be an experienced head, who knows this league and the pool of players well. Preferably with experience of getting promotion, or at least going deep into the playoffs. We have definitely tried the new kid on the block approach many, many times recently and seen the results. Ultimately only the Ogdens will know what's out there, and whether Jim can learn from past mistakes, and lets hope they make the right call.
Let's hope your wishes for next season come true. I'd like to think that Jim is capable of self analysis and he is able to identify how he can improve his own performance. If he does that then we can progress, if he is unable to accept constructive criticism then nothing will change. I'm going up to the club later in the week to purchase four season tickets, I'm doing that in the hope that we see improvement next season in consistency of performance and quality on display. The ability to mix it with the best and none of this defensive mindset when in a winning position. More ruthlessness when it comes to killing off the opposition. The preference would be to see all this happen with McNulty at the helm, I have my doubts but it would save a lot of disruption if he could do it. Winning the league or finishing third isn't a requirement for me, finishing in the play offs with a improvement in overall performance is. I dont think thats being unrealistic.
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Should he stay or should he go? on 12:15 - May 19 with 1308 views
Should he stay or should he go? on 12:15 - May 19 by James1980
Brennan post match interviews after playoff defeats
After defeat in the playoff eliminator
After defeat in the semi final
'We gave away terrible goals'. A full and frank admission from the manager, its not difficult. No need to blame budgets or clout. The defending against Southend was abysmal all evening, chaotic.
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Should he stay or should he go? on 13:45 - May 19 with 1094 views
On any reasonable measures Jim’s job is safe. The Ogden’s are not ignorant when it comes to business. So why when you have an employee who you think was satisfactory and did a job last year, then improves the business the next year after less than 3 years in the role would you dream of sacking them, for lack of productivity. That doesn’t happen, and is Industry Tribunal territory. If that scenario happened to any of us we would be up in arms. Said before the large majority of managerial appointments at this club end in failure, some short lived, do the maths. how many mangers have got us promoted or in the play offs, (including the current incumbent) as against those under which we have stagnated or gone backwards. The odds of finding a better fit than the one we have now are not good. No point at all in pulling the pin at this stage.
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Should he stay or should he go? on 14:37 - May 19 with 1004 views
Should he stay or should he go? on 13:45 - May 19 by jonahwhereru
On any reasonable measures Jim’s job is safe. The Ogden’s are not ignorant when it comes to business. So why when you have an employee who you think was satisfactory and did a job last year, then improves the business the next year after less than 3 years in the role would you dream of sacking them, for lack of productivity. That doesn’t happen, and is Industry Tribunal territory. If that scenario happened to any of us we would be up in arms. Said before the large majority of managerial appointments at this club end in failure, some short lived, do the maths. how many mangers have got us promoted or in the play offs, (including the current incumbent) as against those under which we have stagnated or gone backwards. The odds of finding a better fit than the one we have now are not good. No point at all in pulling the pin at this stage.
A sensible response to a ridiculous thread. No way he should leave at this stage.
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Should he stay or should he go? on 14:49 - May 19 with 974 views
Should he stay or should he go? on 13:45 - May 19 by jonahwhereru
On any reasonable measures Jim’s job is safe. The Ogden’s are not ignorant when it comes to business. So why when you have an employee who you think was satisfactory and did a job last year, then improves the business the next year after less than 3 years in the role would you dream of sacking them, for lack of productivity. That doesn’t happen, and is Industry Tribunal territory. If that scenario happened to any of us we would be up in arms. Said before the large majority of managerial appointments at this club end in failure, some short lived, do the maths. how many mangers have got us promoted or in the play offs, (including the current incumbent) as against those under which we have stagnated or gone backwards. The odds of finding a better fit than the one we have now are not good. No point at all in pulling the pin at this stage.
Correct, nobody is expecting a managerial change from those running the club. He fulfilled his brief and got us into the play offs. Many fans have reservations in respect of whether he is the right person to fulfill the three year plan, its not a few rabble rousers. Let's see what happens, if it's going to comedown to budget and clout then McNulty isn't the man because he won't have the biggest budget. Thats what he always comes back to when it comes to the competition.
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Should he stay or should he go? on 16:27 - May 19 with 805 views
Should he stay or should he go? on 16:35 - May 19 by Daleaholic
"What are you going to do differently this season to manage games that we couldn't see out last season"
what types of players are you looking to recruit? what alternative formations will be needed next season and in what situations? what alternative tactics/personnel are you planning to use to overcome low block opponents? What are you looking for in your choice of captain? What sort of improvement will you look for in the PR about team selections, performances and ambitions?
and for the Board - what annual criteria are you using to measure the success of the 3 year plan to achieve EFL status?
Should he stay or should he go? on 16:27 - May 19 by James1980
Assuming he does stay, what sensible questions constructive criticism should be directed at Jim at the fans forum (if there is one)
He will stay unless he wants to leave James. My question would be...' During your two seasons as a manager what would you perceive as your biggest strengths and weakness, could you give us some examples and is there anybody at the club with the footballing insight to assist you in career development?'
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Should he stay or should he go? on 17:38 - May 19 with 677 views
Should he stay or should he go? on 16:55 - May 19 by TalkingSutty
He will stay unless he wants to leave James. My question would be...' During your two seasons as a manager what would you perceive as your biggest strengths and weakness, could you give us some examples and is there anybody at the club with the footballing insight to assist you in career development?'
Do you feel you was partly responsible for our failure to gain promotion?
If you think that our lack of financial clout is the main obstacle to promotion then are you the person to achieve this goal?
How did John Askey get Macclesfield promoted to the FL and Truro to the NL without a competitive budget?
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Should he stay or should he go? on 18:22 - May 19 with 597 views
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