| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise 07:54 - May 29 with 3305 views | AnotherJohn |
The resident doctors - the new term for doctors in the training grades - got a pay uplift of about 22% last year and are now demanding a further 29% rise this year.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/junior-doctors-seeking-almost-30-073732927.html
The forum was divided in its views last year. Some of us worried that such a generous pay deal would trigger a round of catch-up pay demands in the public sector, but I don't think anybody thought the doctors would come back for so much more so quickly. As a reminder, the present scale for the training grades in England runs from £36,616 to £70,425. Salaries for consultants, specialty and specialist doctors (SAS) and GPs go much higher. Thoughts? |  | | |  |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 15:03 - May 29 with 636 views | trampie |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 14:58 - May 29 by Whiterockin |
Yet in recent years the lowest paid have probably had the largest pay increases they have ever had. |
Because of the cost of living crisis, heard an ad on the radio yesterday for Trussel Trust (I think it was) saying 1 in 4 children are in danger of needing the services of a food bank in the UK or words to that effect.
We hear about benefit fraud and tax evasion but could paying high earners lots of money and big pensions out of the public purse also be contributing to the cost of living crisis as there doesn't seem to be enough to go around. [Post edited 29 May 15:19]
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 15:18 - May 29 with 587 views | Whiterockin |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 15:03 - May 29 by trampie |
Because of the cost of living crisis, heard an ad on the radio yesterday for Trussel Trust (I think it was) saying 1 in 4 children are in danger of needing the services of a food bank in the UK or words to that effect.
We hear about benefit fraud and tax evasion but could paying high earners lots of money and big pensions out of the public purse also be contributing to the cost of living crisis as there doesn't seem to be enough to go around. [Post edited 29 May 15:19]
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You could always privatise the NHS and not pay its employees out of the public purse, would that really be better. |  | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 15:22 - May 29 with 570 views | trampie |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 15:18 - May 29 by Whiterockin |
You could always privatise the NHS and not pay its employees out of the public purse, would that really be better. |
Definitely not, the bottom line is doctors earn enough coin as it is.
Taking food out of the mouths of poor people to give even more money to doctors is a no for me. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 15:27 - May 29 with 553 views | Whiterockin |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 15:22 - May 29 by trampie |
Definitely not, the bottom line is doctors earn enough coin as it is.
Taking food out of the mouths of poor people to give even more money to doctors is a no for me. |
It's not strange when those further down the pay scales don't see the benifits of wage differentials. | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 15:43 - May 29 with 505 views | trampie |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 15:27 - May 29 by Whiterockin |
It's not strange when those further down the pay scales don't see the benifits of wage differentials. |
You mean the low paid don't get paid enough, fair comment if that is what you are saying. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 16:51 - May 29 with 430 views | Scotia |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 15:22 - May 29 by trampie |
Definitely not, the bottom line is doctors earn enough coin as it is.
Taking food out of the mouths of poor people to give even more money to doctors is a no for me. |
So you really think a doctor only deserves £32k a year? | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:04 - May 29 with 405 views | controversial_jack |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 16:51 - May 29 by Scotia |
So you really think a doctor only deserves £32k a year? |
The national average salary for junior doctors is £44,170 per year. | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:10 - May 29 with 384 views | AnotherJohn |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 16:51 - May 29 by Scotia |
So you really think a doctor only deserves £32k a year? |
The £32K is a bit of a puzzle for a doctor in training - see salary scales link in thread.
Edit. I guess you may mean the first rung of the ladder (FT1) for those on the 2002 contract. I think this still applies in Wales but this wouldn't apply to somebody in post for any length of time. [Post edited 29 May 17:30]
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:23 - May 29 with 358 views | trampie |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 16:51 - May 29 by Scotia |
So you really think a doctor only deserves £32k a year? |
Last figures i seen was 2023 for England and 32k was their basic first year money for a doctor in training, they are permanently supervised during that first year, but their average first year pay is 41k when other things are taken into account, then down the line those towards the end of their training are on 71k (depending on their field) , when they have served their time the average pay is 143k a year. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:23 - May 29 with 363 views | onehunglow |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:04 - May 29 by controversial_jack |
The national average salary for junior doctors is £44,170 per year. |
A days pay for many PL footballers | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:26 - May 29 with 354 views | Gwyn737 |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:04 - May 29 by controversial_jack |
The national average salary for junior doctors is £44,170 per year. |
They’d make far more money on the Aldi graduate area manager scheme.
My god son is about to finish his first full year as a self employed plumber. He’s easily cleared that doctor figure.
£44k isn’t a lot of money. In many areas that’s not enough to own a house, run a car and pay for child care. | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:29 - May 29 with 346 views | controversial_jack |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:26 - May 29 by Gwyn737 |
They’d make far more money on the Aldi graduate area manager scheme.
My god son is about to finish his first full year as a self employed plumber. He’s easily cleared that doctor figure.
£44k isn’t a lot of money. In many areas that’s not enough to own a house, run a car and pay for child care. |
It's not a lot of money, but they know this before getting into the particular career choice. It improves with experience | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:29 - May 29 with 342 views | controversial_jack |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:26 - May 29 by Gwyn737 |
They’d make far more money on the Aldi graduate area manager scheme.
My god son is about to finish his first full year as a self employed plumber. He’s easily cleared that doctor figure.
£44k isn’t a lot of money. In many areas that’s not enough to own a house, run a car and pay for child care. |
Let's hope he's more reliable than most plumbers | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:49 - May 29 with 320 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:26 - May 29 by Gwyn737 |
They’d make far more money on the Aldi graduate area manager scheme.
My god son is about to finish his first full year as a self employed plumber. He’s easily cleared that doctor figure.
£44k isn’t a lot of money. In many areas that’s not enough to own a house, run a car and pay for child care. |
Doctors have a great progression scheme, the average salary for a consultant is £120K with a gold plated pension scheme. Consultants earn an average of £30K in private fees.
The top consultants earn £500K. |  |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:01 - May 29 with 298 views | trampie |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:26 - May 29 by Gwyn737 |
They’d make far more money on the Aldi graduate area manager scheme.
My god son is about to finish his first full year as a self employed plumber. He’s easily cleared that doctor figure.
£44k isn’t a lot of money. In many areas that’s not enough to own a house, run a car and pay for child care. |
44k is more than the average wage and that is just the first year with somebody constantly holding their hand, so there is no hope for others owning a house, running a car etc according to you.
The wage progression for doctors is astronomical, their money goes up and up, by the time they finish they should be millionaires over and over and they also have huge pensions.
For them to try and get more money out of the state when their overall package over the years is extremely good is imo a poor show, I must say they have gone down a lot in my estimation. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:02 - May 29 with 302 views | Scotia |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:10 - May 29 by AnotherJohn |
The £32K is a bit of a puzzle for a doctor in training - see salary scales link in thread.
Edit. I guess you may mean the first rung of the ladder (FT1) for those on the 2002 contract. I think this still applies in Wales but this wouldn't apply to somebody in post for any length of time. [Post edited 29 May 17:30]
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It comes from here.
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/resource/exploring-the-earnings-of-nhs-doctors-
Baring in mind the recent increase in junior dr's salary is only the second since 2008. 17 years.
I could mention the triple lock, but it won't go down well. | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:03 - May 29 with 301 views | Scotia |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:01 - May 29 by trampie |
44k is more than the average wage and that is just the first year with somebody constantly holding their hand, so there is no hope for others owning a house, running a car etc according to you.
The wage progression for doctors is astronomical, their money goes up and up, by the time they finish they should be millionaires over and over and they also have huge pensions.
For them to try and get more money out of the state when their overall package over the years is extremely good is imo a poor show, I must say they have gone down a lot in my estimation. |
They do actually earn it mind. | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:10 - May 29 with 285 views | Scotia |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 13:31 - May 29 by controversial_jack |
I wasn't in the field of saving lives,however safety was a big part of my job, but if you don't want to save lives don't go into medicine, get another job. |
Safety is a part of every job. Imagine having to make life or death decisions every minute of a 48 hr week. It would be quite stressful I'd have thought.
Also it sounds like you're happy for them to be exploited for following their vocation. That's not a good look. [Post edited 29 May 18:20]
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:11 - May 29 with 281 views | trampie |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:03 - May 29 by Scotia |
They do actually earn it mind. |
44k for somebody to constantly hold their hand for a 12 month before a wage increase is not that bad considering the lack of responsibility at that stage.
Then they are on their way to being millionaires. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:12 - May 29 with 282 views | Gwyn737 |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 17:49 - May 29 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Doctors have a great progression scheme, the average salary for a consultant is £120K with a gold plated pension scheme. Consultants earn an average of £30K in private fees.
The top consultants earn £500K. |
Thing is, for what they do I’m absolutely fine with that amount.
As I said , it could well be that the pay needs to be distributed better over time. I’d definitely like to see their terms and conditions looked at too - some of the rules around placement are not conducive to have a good life. | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:15 - May 29 with 277 views | Scotia |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:11 - May 29 by trampie |
44k for somebody to constantly hold their hand for a 12 month before a wage increase is not that bad considering the lack of responsibility at that stage.
Then they are on their way to being millionaires. |
They don't have someone holding their hand. They do on placement whilst medical students, not once a qualified Dr. They can get advice and support as anyone can in any job, but they are front and centre.
Very few will be anywhere near millionaires. | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:34 - May 29 with 242 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:12 - May 29 by Gwyn737 |
Thing is, for what they do I’m absolutely fine with that amount.
As I said , it could well be that the pay needs to be distributed better over time. I’d definitely like to see their terms and conditions looked at too - some of the rules around placement are not conducive to have a good life. |
My point was that the career progression and benefits for doctors puts a very different context to comparison with a newly qualified tradesman for example. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:42 - May 29 with 215 views | trampie |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:15 - May 29 by Scotia |
They don't have someone holding their hand. They do on placement whilst medical students, not once a qualified Dr. They can get advice and support as anyone can in any job, but they are front and centre.
Very few will be anywhere near millionaires. |
They are supervised during their first year, if they are not millionaires by the time they retire they can't be any good at looking after money, such will be their earning capacity over those years. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:43 - May 29 with 217 views | Scotia |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:34 - May 29 by JACKMANANDBOY |
My point was that the career progression and benefits for doctors puts a very different context to comparison with a newly qualified tradesman for example. |
I think that's absolutely fair.
A newly qualified tradesman could easily clear more than a resident Dr with no debt from training and very little work pressure.
When you consider some of those resident Dr's will go on to undertake organ transplants, open heart or brain surgery I think £500k is perfectly acceptable for them to earn. | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:51 - May 29 with 184 views | Scotia |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:42 - May 29 by trampie |
They are supervised during their first year, if they are not millionaires by the time they retire they can't be any good at looking after money, such will be their earning capacity over those years. |
That's a world of difference from having their hand held. I've got 25 years experience in my role, I still need advice from time to time.
Don't forget paying their student debt, CPD fees, professional body fres, rent because they're placed for a year or so at a time etc.
Very few will become millionaires from the public purse alone. | | | |
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