| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise 07:54 - May 29 with 9459 views | AnotherJohn |
The resident doctors - the new term for doctors in the training grades - got a pay uplift of about 22% last year and are now demanding a further 29% rise this year.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/junior-doctors-seeking-almost-30-073732927.html
The forum was divided in its views last year. Some of us worried that such a generous pay deal would trigger a round of catch-up pay demands in the public sector, but I don't think anybody thought the doctors would come back for so much more so quickly. As a reminder, the present scale for the training grades in England runs from £36,616 to £70,425. Salaries for consultants, specialty and specialist doctors (SAS) and GPs go much higher. Thoughts? |  | | |  |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 23:04 - Jun 1 with 1338 views | trampie |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 23:00 - Jun 1 by Scotia |
So you can disprove Darwin? Crack on. |
It's Nazi ideology, there is no getting away from that and you are agreeing with it. [Post edited 1 Jun 23:05]
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 23:06 - Jun 1 with 1327 views | Scotia |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 23:04 - Jun 1 by trampie |
It's Nazi ideology, there is no getting away from that and you are agreeing with it. [Post edited 1 Jun 23:05]
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So Darwin was a nazi?
In that case are we equal to chimpanzees? | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 23:12 - Jun 1 with 1302 views | trampie |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 23:06 - Jun 1 by Scotia |
So Darwin was a nazi?
In that case are we equal to chimpanzees? |
Speak for yourself. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 07:35 - Jun 2 with 1215 views | Dr_Winston |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 22:44 - Jun 1 by Scotia |
I don't know you or your family. I'm pretty satisfied that my family make a positive contribution to society, we aren't perfect but we do our best.
I don't need to explain myself to you but I will outline the basis, some people make a significant contribution to society others don't. Some hover around the mid point. That's fine with me, we're a civilised society and we should help those in need. But the fundamental point is that people have to help themselves, many don't. That's the basis of evolution. It will always be the case.
We aren't equal. I don't think a homeless addict who's thrown away every opportunity offered to them is equal to the successful surgeon (from exactly the same background as the addict) who's strived to make the best of themselves from the limited opportunities they may have had. |
He's a moron.
You are quite correct. Some people are simply just better than others. Street sweepers are better than junkie scumbags. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 07:45 - Jun 2 with 1197 views | trampie |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 07:35 - Jun 2 by Dr_Winston |
He's a moron.
You are quite correct. Some people are simply just better than others. Street sweepers are better than junkie scumbags. |
A person addicted to narcotics might or might not be a scumbag, the same can be said for street sweepers and anyone else come to that. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:14 - Jun 2 with 1127 views | trampie |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:19 - Jun 2 with 1115 views | Whiterockin |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:14 - Jun 2 by trampie |
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So do 52% believe they should go on strike. 4,100 is not a large poll and the demographics of those polled would be interesting. Whether they deserve the money would be a better poll. [Post edited 2 Jun 9:20]
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:31 - Jun 2 with 1086 views | trampie |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:19 - Jun 2 by Whiterockin |
So do 52% believe they should go on strike. 4,100 is not a large poll and the demographics of those polled would be interesting. Whether they deserve the money would be a better poll. [Post edited 2 Jun 9:20]
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Rounded up figures, i think it was something like 14% don't knows, 39% supportive, 48% would not support.
Apparently YouGov weight their polls to try and be representative of the whole population. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:36 - Jun 2 with 1077 views | trampie |
Can't be arsed to check but from memory I think last summer via the same pollster that the public supported Junior doctors getting a pay rise, I assume they have had the pay rise and now want another one and the public are no longer supportive per the poll. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:44 - Jun 2 with 1069 views | onehunglow |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:19 - Jun 2 by Whiterockin |
So do 52% believe they should go on strike. 4,100 is not a large poll and the demographics of those polled would be interesting. Whether they deserve the money would be a better poll. [Post edited 2 Jun 9:20]
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If police don't have the rightful strike then neither should doctors
That said , I believe both should
We have dumped on them both and need a kicking | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 11:55 - Jun 9 with 848 views | trampie |
A qualified nurse starting out is apparently on a very low wage, the country needs to give all 1/3 of a million of them a massive pay rise, rich are getting richer so they need to be taxed more to give nuses a much deserved pay rise, doctors and consultants get the big bucks but not nurses so it seems. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 12:26 - Jun 9 with 835 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:44 - Jun 2 by onehunglow |
If police don't have the rightful strike then neither should doctors
That said , I believe both should
We have dumped on them both and need a kicking |
Junior doctors are well paid despite what their militant unions claim.
Their union claims their wages have been eroded by 23% since 2006 but of course they are not comparing like with like.
In 2006 their basic working week was 60 hours
Now it is 37 hours a week. Any hours worked above that the get generous overtime payments.. If the Union want to them to paid at 2006 rates get them to work 60 hours a week like they use to.
Junior Doctors now earn more in real terms than they did with just a modest amount of overtime. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 13:33 - Jun 9 with 802 views | trampie |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:42 - Jun 9 with 761 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 22:14 - Jun 1 by Scotia |
Cat, I think the problem is the practice not the theory. The people are the problem.
Socialism and communism won't work because fundamentally people aren't equal. That's down to evolution.
Capitalism doesn't work because people are greedy, but that's down to evolution too. But it is slightly better than the alternative.
Ultimately I genuinely think we're going to destroy ourselves over the next 20 thousand years or so. We can see it coming but are too stupid to do anything about it.
Just look at this thread, quibbling over the people who keep us alive in a job the vast majority cannot do earning a sensible wage. It's barking mad really. |
It's very obvious people aren't equal but the aim has to be to treat people equally in most repsects.
People don't have to be equla to be fair with each other. That is the big problem, the greed is good mantra has taken hold.
Capita;ism doesn't work, not just because of greed but also because of corruption as those at the top will do anything to retain their share.
I don't think we'll last 20,000 years, we'll be luchy to make 20,000 weeks. It's not just climate change, it's destruction of habitat, the forced extinctions of so many creatures essential for our world to work, insect life, sea life, we are killing it off and quickly too.
Doctors deserve better but they are hardly alone.
You're right though, we are too stupid to do anything about it, everyone seems to think somebody else should pay or somebody else should go without. One day we will ALL go without. | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 21:53 - Jun 9 with 708 views | Luther27 |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:19 - Jun 2 by Whiterockin |
So do 52% believe they should go on strike. 4,100 is not a large poll and the demographics of those polled would be interesting. Whether they deserve the money would be a better poll. [Post edited 2 Jun 9:20]
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Above average pay increases last year….and as members of the public where has that got us? Long waiting lists…A&E? instead of notifying via social media not to go there due to whatever, it would be easier if the NHS said when, for instance, Morriston A£E was open.
Whatever happened to taking the oath to save life? If I see one more banner from the strike force saying they can earn more in Tescos then bloody well go and work for them. | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 07:54 - Jun 10 with 645 views | trampie |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:19 - Jun 2 by Whiterockin |
So do 52% believe they should go on strike. 4,100 is not a large poll and the demographics of those polled would be interesting. Whether they deserve the money would be a better poll. [Post edited 2 Jun 9:20]
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By the way I would say 4100 people is a large poll, its not something I've looked into but usually when I see polls they are just over 1000 people this one is over 4 times that amount and jumped out at me straight away what a very large poll it was, having said that I've seen it said that large polls are no more accurate than your stand 1000 people poll because they are weighted but I would say the bigger the poll the slightly better to my mind. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 08:56 - Jun 10 with 608 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 21:53 - Jun 9 by Luther27 |
Above average pay increases last year….and as members of the public where has that got us? Long waiting lists…A&E? instead of notifying via social media not to go there due to whatever, it would be easier if the NHS said when, for instance, Morriston A£E was open.
Whatever happened to taking the oath to save life? If I see one more banner from the strike force saying they can earn more in Tescos then bloody well go and work for them. |
I can remember when Swansea had two casualties units one at Singleton and one at Morriston. Perhaps if we had two now there would not be the huge queues at Morriston A&E. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:22 - Jun 10 with 577 views | trampie |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 08:56 - Jun 10 by felixstowe_jack |
I can remember when Swansea had two casualties units one at Singleton and one at Morriston. Perhaps if we had two now there would not be the huge queues at Morriston A&E. |
I think Neath General used to have an A&E and then initially Neath-Port Talbot down on Baglan moors. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:50 - Jun 10 with 551 views | Whiterockin |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:22 - Jun 10 by trampie |
I think Neath General used to have an A&E and then initially Neath-Port Talbot down on Baglan moors. |
Some have an A&E for minor injuries. This may be useful, it includes live waiting times.
http://aeinfo.nhs.wales/ | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 10:24 - Jun 10 with 504 views | controversial_jack |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 09:50 - Jun 10 by Whiterockin |
Some have an A&E for minor injuries. This may be useful, it includes live waiting times.
http://aeinfo.nhs.wales/ |
The one at PT is a waste of time. They just tell you to go to Morriston | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 10:55 - Jun 10 with 490 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 08:56 - Jun 10 by felixstowe_jack |
I can remember when Swansea had two casualties units one at Singleton and one at Morriston. Perhaps if we had two now there would not be the huge queues at Morriston A&E. |
Those with an understanding of demand management know that two or three smaller units offer better prospects of demand management than one massive unit. |  |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 11:04 - Jun 10 with 481 views | trampie |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 10:24 - Jun 10 by controversial_jack |
The one at PT is a waste of time. They just tell you to go to Morriston |
Yes that is unfortunately what I have heard as well. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 16:08 - Jun 10 with 414 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 18:57 - May 29 by Dr_Winston |
The comparison between footballers and doctors/nurses in terms of pay has always been one of the most inane ones people can make.
Firstly, footballers aren't paid from taxes. All of them, especially at the higher levels, are contributors to the Treasury. A footballer on the average Premier League salary of £67,000 a week will pay around £1.6m a year in tax. We should want footballers to earn more, not less.
Secondly, Premier League footballers are considerably rarer than surgeons. There are approximately 65,000 specialist surgeons in the UK. There were about 550 players in the Premier League last season.
Anyhoo, back to the main topic. Who could have possibly predicted that completely surrendering to public sector wage demands last year would only embolden the unions in this one? |
That is one crazy statement. Premier lkeague footballers pay tax, well done them. Tell me, who, in the end, pays those player wages?
We fans do, if we do it at the turnstiles or via subscription tv it doesn't matter, in the end WE pay the price but then we are treated as second class fans because they like the corporate customers better.
Greed isn't good no matter the sector. Every high price we have to pay contributes to our cost of living.
Frankly I find it inane saying footballers should be paid more because the high EPL wages are part of the reason football has become a circus. | | | |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 11:44 - Jul 4 with 233 views | trampie |
Next doors house was on the market for just under 3/4 million, I don't think it's gone for that kind of price all the same a 29 year old doctor and his wife have had an offer to buy it accepted by my neighbour, 29 year old mind, that is how much earning potential young doctors have got.
If young doctors want more money at the start of their career fine but should they have so much at the end ?, it's taxpayers money that pays their wages. | |
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| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 11:57 - Jul 4 with 195 views | Whiterockin |
| Resident doctors demand another big pay rise on 11:44 - Jul 4 by trampie |
Next doors house was on the market for just under 3/4 million, I don't think it's gone for that kind of price all the same a 29 year old doctor and his wife have had an offer to buy it accepted by my neighbour, 29 year old mind, that is how much earning potential young doctors have got.
If young doctors want more money at the start of their career fine but should they have so much at the end ?, it's taxpayers money that pays their wages. |
First thing you should do when he moves in is tell him that you think earns too much. Post the outcome on here. | | | |
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