| Ramsay the Cardiff legend 10:47 - Jun 8 with 10428 views | KeithHaynes |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:18 - Jun 10 with 1644 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 12:13 - Jun 10 by pencoedjack |
Let’s hope there is no one on this forum who either has or is being cared for.
I’d love you to say that to my face you obnoxious t**t. |
Don't start on others - and others will not pull you up.
Now go sit down in the family stand. |  |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:22 - Jun 10 with 1629 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 09:59 - Jun 10 by felixstowe_jack |
He was never World class. Are you serious was he ever in the top 11 players in the World. He was just an average international player. |
Good point - and I was not saying he was in the top 11 players.
But he was in an elite class of player that would not have been embarrassed in any team in the world.
You only have to look at the midfield players England took to Euro16.
Rambo was a cut above most/all of them. | |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:37 - Jun 10 with 1587 views | sons_of_omri |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 10:14 - Jun 10 by jack247 |
England’s midfielders Euro 2016 (taking that as Ramseys peak)
Dele Alli
Ross Barkley
Eric Dier
Jordan Henderson
Adam Lallana
James Milner
Jack Wilshere
He would have gone to the Euros without doubt.
Off the top of my head, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Shelvey and Fabian Delph have all played for England. I think people underestimate how good he was. |
All those players had more consistency about them and Shelvey for one had far more of an impact in games than Ramsey did. Of all the Welsh players in this era I found him the most frustrating to watch - always waiting for him to deliver consistently but he never did Euro 16 aside. Reminds me of the love in at least half this board had with Grimes at one time - utterly baffling.
Milner - 61 caps for England, played a huge number of games for Liverpool and Man City and at 38 is still on Brighton’s books. Simply not comparable. |  | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:40 - Jun 10 with 1569 views | sons_of_omri |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:22 - Jun 10 by Kilkennyjack |
Good point - and I was not saying he was in the top 11 players.
But he was in an elite class of player that would not have been embarrassed in any team in the world.
You only have to look at the midfield players England took to Euro16.
Rambo was a cut above most/all of them. |
So if included in the Brazilian side playing Argentina for arguments sake he’d stand out? Maybe he would but not in the way you’re implying (with all due respect). | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 14:25 - Jun 10 with 1516 views | jack247 |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:37 - Jun 10 by sons_of_omri |
All those players had more consistency about them and Shelvey for one had far more of an impact in games than Ramsey did. Of all the Welsh players in this era I found him the most frustrating to watch - always waiting for him to deliver consistently but he never did Euro 16 aside. Reminds me of the love in at least half this board had with Grimes at one time - utterly baffling.
Milner - 61 caps for England, played a huge number of games for Liverpool and Man City and at 38 is still on Brighton’s books. Simply not comparable. |
It’s not about longevity, it’s about whether he’d have got in ‘any’ England squad. If it was, he’d be way ahead of Wilshere and Alli.
In terms of consistency, he was Arsenal’s player of the season at least once and talent wise Juventus were happy to make him the highest paid British player ever at the time.
How people can see a player in Vipotnik but not in Ramsey is beyond me. | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 14:44 - Jun 10 with 1493 views | Whiterockin |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 14:25 - Jun 10 by jack247 |
It’s not about longevity, it’s about whether he’d have got in ‘any’ England squad. If it was, he’d be way ahead of Wilshere and Alli.
In terms of consistency, he was Arsenal’s player of the season at least once and talent wise Juventus were happy to make him the highest paid British player ever at the time.
How people can see a player in Vipotnik but not in Ramsey is beyond me. |
In fairness Ramsay got that contract because he was a free transfer and it included his signing on fee. At one point the Welsh team had two of the highest earning footballers in the world, Bale and Ramsay. |  | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 14:58 - Jun 10 with 1477 views | jack247 |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 14:44 - Jun 10 by Whiterockin |
In fairness Ramsay got that contract because he was a free transfer and it included his signing on fee. At one point the Welsh team had two of the highest earning footballers in the world, Bale and Ramsay. |
Yes of course. The free transfer obviously boosted his wage.
Being one of the highest paid players in the world kind of emphasises my point. You don’t get that without being elite. I’m not saying there weren’t better players earning less, but it’s a reasonable yardstick of how highly rated he was at the time.
£400k a week in the pre-Saudi era. | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 15:15 - Jun 10 with 1444 views | onehunglow |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:37 - Jun 10 by sons_of_omri |
All those players had more consistency about them and Shelvey for one had far more of an impact in games than Ramsey did. Of all the Welsh players in this era I found him the most frustrating to watch - always waiting for him to deliver consistently but he never did Euro 16 aside. Reminds me of the love in at least half this board had with Grimes at one time - utterly baffling.
Milner - 61 caps for England, played a huge number of games for Liverpool and Man City and at 38 is still on Brighton’s books. Simply not comparable. |
If you wanted a player for the trenches then Milner would have fit the bill
Beyond reproach as a professional who kept himself super fit and avoided injuries
Ramsey nowhere near
If he wasn't Welsh , trample would be dissing him
It's impossible for some to be objective | |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 15:34 - Jun 10 with 1406 views | trampie |
Ramsey played in 4 FA Cup finals, winning 3 of the them with Arsenal and losing 1 with Cardiff, Ramsey scored the winning goal in 2 FA cup finals and was MOTM in 1 FA cup final.
He was Arsenal's player of the season twice when Arsenal were a top team, he won Italian cup and Scottish Cup, Serie A league title, played in European finals and helped Wales to reach the semi finals of the Euro's,he was a top class player with a record to match. |  |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 16:22 - Jun 10 with 1354 views | jack247 |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 15:34 - Jun 10 by trampie |
Ramsey played in 4 FA Cup finals, winning 3 of the them with Arsenal and losing 1 with Cardiff, Ramsey scored the winning goal in 2 FA cup finals and was MOTM in 1 FA cup final.
He was Arsenal's player of the season twice when Arsenal were a top team, he won Italian cup and Scottish Cup, Serie A league title, played in European finals and helped Wales to reach the semi finals of the Euro's,he was a top class player with a record to match. |
These are just facts.
If we was a Jack, or even wasn’t Cardiff, he may get the credit he deserves.
Happily, he’s gone on too long and been an absolute disaster for Cardiff. Top player at his peak. | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 16:50 - Jun 10 with 1312 views | Vincent_Vega |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 15:34 - Jun 10 by trampie |
Ramsey played in 4 FA Cup finals, winning 3 of the them with Arsenal and losing 1 with Cardiff, Ramsey scored the winning goal in 2 FA cup finals and was MOTM in 1 FA cup final.
He was Arsenal's player of the season twice when Arsenal were a top team, he won Italian cup and Scottish Cup, Serie A league title, played in European finals and helped Wales to reach the semi finals of the Euro's,he was a top class player with a record to match. |
Is Fabian Delph a better player then seeing as he has more league titles than Ramsey?
Stats can hide many things, Ramsey on his day and fully fit is a must in any team the argument is he didn't do it often enough to be considered world class |  |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 17:16 - Jun 10 with 1276 views | jack247 |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 16:50 - Jun 10 by Vincent_Vega |
Is Fabian Delph a better player then seeing as he has more league titles than Ramsey?
Stats can hide many things, Ramsey on his day and fully fit is a must in any team the argument is he didn't do it often enough to be considered world class |
World class is a different argument for me.
Good enough to play for England (like Fabian Delph) - absolutely.
World class - No. He’s not getting in any FIFA teams of the year, even at his very best. | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 17:25 - Jun 10 with 1254 views | Whiterockin |
How many Ballon d'Or nominations has he received. | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 18:10 - Jun 10 with 1166 views | pencoedjack |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 16:22 - Jun 10 by jack247 |
These are just facts.
If we was a Jack, or even wasn’t Cardiff, he may get the credit he deserves.
Happily, he’s gone on too long and been an absolute disaster for Cardiff. Top player at his peak. |
I’m pretty sure if he was a Jack we wouldn’t be calling him a legend.
He’s played 43 times for them in his career.
He isn’t world class anyone who thinks otherwise knows little about football & is biased due to the fact he’s Welsh. |  | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 20:04 - Jun 10 with 1082 views | jack247 |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 18:10 - Jun 10 by pencoedjack |
I’m pretty sure if he was a Jack we wouldn’t be calling him a legend.
He’s played 43 times for them in his career.
He isn’t world class anyone who thinks otherwise knows little about football & is biased due to the fact he’s Welsh. |
He played for then when he was young, when he was old and when he was injured. He was way too good for them the rest of the time
World class and legend - I agree with you
What’s not really up for debate is he was among the very best in the UK at the top of his game. You don’t get player of the year at Arsenal or £400k a week at Juve if you’re ’quite good’.
For me, he’d have strolled into that England Euro 2016 squad. It’s not as if he was in the Gerard, Lampard and Scholes era. | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 20:29 - Jun 10 with 1048 views | Whiterockin |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 20:04 - Jun 10 by jack247 |
He played for then when he was young, when he was old and when he was injured. He was way too good for them the rest of the time
World class and legend - I agree with you
What’s not really up for debate is he was among the very best in the UK at the top of his game. You don’t get player of the year at Arsenal or £400k a week at Juve if you’re ’quite good’.
For me, he’d have strolled into that England Euro 2016 squad. It’s not as if he was in the Gerard, Lampard and Scholes era. |
Ramsay was a very good player, but very inconsistent. Was he world class, never. If you take his best year as 2016 as some have mentioned there were 30 players nominated for the Ballon d'Or, he was not one. This tells me he was never in a world class group. | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 20:55 - Jun 10 with 998 views | jack247 |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 20:29 - Jun 10 by Whiterockin |
Ramsay was a very good player, but very inconsistent. Was he world class, never. If you take his best year as 2016 as some have mentioned there were 30 players nominated for the Ballon d'Or, he was not one. This tells me he was never in a world class group. |
Who is actually saying he was world class? | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 21:02 - Jun 10 with 983 views | Whiterockin |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 20:55 - Jun 10 by jack247 |
Who is actually saying he was world class? |
Kilkie. | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 21:07 - Jun 10 with 968 views | jack247 |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 21:02 - Jun 10 by Whiterockin |
Kilkie. |
Fair enough, he’s wrong in my opinion.
Not sure people are replying to my posts with ‘yeah, he was a good player but he wasn’t world class’ I don’t think he was either. Stand by all my points though | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 15:32 - Jun 11 with 669 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 14:44 - Jun 10 by Whiterockin |
In fairness Ramsay got that contract because he was a free transfer and it included his signing on fee. At one point the Welsh team had two of the highest earning footballers in the world, Bale and Ramsay. |
And that was for good reason … | |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 15:37 - Jun 11 with 657 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 15:15 - Jun 10 by onehunglow |
If you wanted a player for the trenches then Milner would have fit the bill
Beyond reproach as a professional who kept himself super fit and avoided injuries
Ramsey nowhere near
If he wasn't Welsh , trample would be dissing him
It's impossible for some to be objective |
In a one off game it would be the hard work of Milner vs the quality of Ramsey.
I am going Rambo all day every day and twice on a Sunday. Just a better footballer.
Over a 46 game season then Milner might be better value for money.
But never as good as Rambo. | |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 16:08 - Jun 11 with 620 views | raynor94 |
A great player at Premier league level but never World class, was found out immediately at Juve |  |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 16:58 - Jun 11 with 572 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 15:37 - Jun 11 by Kilkennyjack |
In a one off game it would be the hard work of Milner vs the quality of Ramsey.
I am going Rambo all day every day and twice on a Sunday. Just a better footballer.
Over a 46 game season then Milner might be better value for money.
But never as good as Rambo. |
It’s a case of what could have been with Ramsey, he did suffer a horrific injury at a young age when he was just getting going and spent a lot of his career in and out of teams and probably didn’t get anywhere near the level he would have got to without that injury. |  |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 17:36 - Jun 11 with 526 views | Gwyn737 |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 10:14 - Jun 10 by jack247 |
England’s midfielders Euro 2016 (taking that as Ramseys peak)
Dele Alli
Ross Barkley
Eric Dier
Jordan Henderson
Adam Lallana
James Milner
Jack Wilshere
He would have gone to the Euros without doubt.
Off the top of my head, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Shelvey and Fabian Delph have all played for England. I think people underestimate how good he was. |
When you see that list, at that time, Ramsey would have had game time.
Works class? No. | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 19:39 - Jun 11 with 426 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 14:25 - Jun 10 by jack247 |
It’s not about longevity, it’s about whether he’d have got in ‘any’ England squad. If it was, he’d be way ahead of Wilshere and Alli.
In terms of consistency, he was Arsenal’s player of the season at least once and talent wise Juventus were happy to make him the highest paid British player ever at the time.
How people can see a player in Vipotnik but not in Ramsey is beyond me. |
I think longevity has a lot to do with it, the very best players keep on going when others finish because they are THAT good, they lose their pace but their brains are still 10 yards ahead of others, or they adapt their game (I'm thinking Giggs there, changed his style and got another several years in )
Here's a name that alot of people maybe won't think that great...Teddy Sheringham...he improved with age and was still a Premier league regular at 38 scoring 10 goals in 38 appearances for Portsmouth.
Buffon 45, Pepe 40, Baresi 37, Maldini 41.
There are others who have defied age and kept on performing at the top levels, Gary Speed, so for me a player who still cust it in the top league at advanced years for a pro is an elite player. | | | |
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