| Ramsay the Cardiff legend 10:47 - Jun 8 with 6969 views | KeithHaynes |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 20:17 - Jun 11 with 1213 views | GVJack |
Isn't football great eh... Full of different view points / opinions.
With regards to Ramsey being 'World Class' that would very much depend on an individuals opinion of what the Standard of 'World Class' is.
For me world class would be 'if there was ever two squads picked from all the players in the world to play each other, and picked school years style (without restriction) would said player make either squad?
For me... No for Rambo. He was an excellent player, one of the best Wales has produced, but to be in the top 8 midfielders in the world Even in his prime? Not for me.
Had he been born on the other side of the bridge I think he'd have been capped albeit nowhere near the volume he's amassed for Wales. That said... He's a proud Welshman so thankfully we'll never know.
P.s... met him once in a seaside cafe and was an absolute gentleman and nice bloke to chat too [Post edited 11 Jun 20:28]
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 20:20 - Jun 11 with 1212 views | jack247 |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 19:39 - Jun 11 by SullutaCreturned |
I think longevity has a lot to do with it, the very best players keep on going when others finish because they are THAT good, they lose their pace but their brains are still 10 yards ahead of others, or they adapt their game (I'm thinking Giggs there, changed his style and got another several years in )
Here's a name that alot of people maybe won't think that great...Teddy Sheringham...he improved with age and was still a Premier league regular at 38 scoring 10 goals in 38 appearances for Portsmouth.
Buffon 45, Pepe 40, Baresi 37, Maldini 41.
There are others who have defied age and kept on performing at the top levels, Gary Speed, so for me a player who still cust it in the top league at advanced years for a pro is an elite player. |
I totally agree, however the point I was answering was that Ramsey wouldn’t have got any England caps. Longevity is irrelevant in that discussion.
Milner is a great example. He had a far better career than Ramsey. If you were picking someone to give a 5 year contract, it wouldn’t even be up for discussion.
If you were picking one of them, at their best, to play in a cup final, it would be a different story. People forget how good he was because of his injury record.
He’d have walked into that Euro 2016 squad. | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 21:20 - Jun 11 with 1134 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 20:20 - Jun 11 by jack247 |
I totally agree, however the point I was answering was that Ramsey wouldn’t have got any England caps. Longevity is irrelevant in that discussion.
Milner is a great example. He had a far better career than Ramsey. If you were picking someone to give a 5 year contract, it wouldn’t even be up for discussion.
If you were picking one of them, at their best, to play in a cup final, it would be a different story. People forget how good he was because of his injury record.
He’d have walked into that Euro 2016 squad. |
rRmsey on his day was a better player but Milner was a far more reliable, consistent player.
Even though he's 5 years older than Rambo he still doesn't get the injuries. I'd tale the consistent player every time. | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 21:37 - Jun 11 with 1105 views | jack247 |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 21:20 - Jun 11 by SullutaCreturned |
rRmsey on his day was a better player but Milner was a far more reliable, consistent player.
Even though he's 5 years older than Rambo he still doesn't get the injuries. I'd tale the consistent player every time. |
We’re just saying the same thing in different ways
Ramsey for a cup final
Ramsey for an international tournament
If we had to sign one on a long term contract, Milner by a million miles.
Could make similar points about Michu | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 22:09 - Jun 11 with 1061 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 21:37 - Jun 11 by jack247 |
We’re just saying the same thing in different ways
Ramsey for a cup final
Ramsey for an international tournament
If we had to sign one on a long term contract, Milner by a million miles.
Could make similar points about Michu |
An excellent post.
I think there are 4 categories to ponder
1. Bale and John Charles - Elite
2. Rambo level - World class, top nations level
3. Speed level - International standard, most nations
4. Other - does well for Wales
England have never had a player at Elite level, Bobby Charlton nearest ? |  |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 05:10 - Jun 12 with 941 views | jack247 |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 22:09 - Jun 11 by Kilkennyjack |
An excellent post.
I think there are 4 categories to ponder
1. Bale and John Charles - Elite
2. Rambo level - World class, top nations level
3. Speed level - International standard, most nations
4. Other - does well for Wales
England have never had a player at Elite level, Bobby Charlton nearest ? |
I’m not sure about that. Rooney at Euro 2004?
Michael Owen won the Balon D’Or. Must be others? | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 08:35 - Jun 12 with 867 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 05:10 - Jun 12 by jack247 |
I’m not sure about that. Rooney at Euro 2004?
Michael Owen won the Balon D’Or. Must be others? |
Tbh John Charles is the judgement of Alex Ferguson.
He said John was the only player born on these islands that would make the greatest XI of all time.
Beckenbaur and Charles as centre backs.
Maldini and Santos full backs.
Pele and Maradona up top.
Charles was the superstar of tbe sport, Owen is certainly nowhere near that.
Behind even Shearer for me.
Rooney is certainly not world class in 2 positions like big John.
Only United player that Fergie picked was the Great Dane in goal.
Bale is the only player from these islands to win 5 Champions Leagues.
He stands on his own.
Let alone getting little Wales to the semi-final of the Euro’s.
Gazza did ok in italia 90 but other than that - Crouch ? heskey ? Andy cole ? Mariner ? | |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 08:43 - Jun 12 with 862 views | jack247 |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 08:35 - Jun 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Tbh John Charles is the judgement of Alex Ferguson.
He said John was the only player born on these islands that would make the greatest XI of all time.
Beckenbaur and Charles as centre backs.
Maldini and Santos full backs.
Pele and Maradona up top.
Charles was the superstar of tbe sport, Owen is certainly nowhere near that.
Behind even Shearer for me.
Rooney is certainly not world class in 2 positions like big John.
Only United player that Fergie picked was the Great Dane in goal.
Bale is the only player from these islands to win 5 Champions Leagues.
He stands on his own.
Let alone getting little Wales to the semi-final of the Euro’s.
Gazza did ok in italia 90 but other than that - Crouch ? heskey ? Andy cole ? Mariner ? |
I don’t think you can win the Balon D’Or without being world class. It’s literally given to the best player in the world | | | |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 09:18 - Jun 12 with 832 views | sons_of_omri |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 15:37 - Jun 11 by Kilkennyjack |
In a one off game it would be the hard work of Milner vs the quality of Ramsey.
I am going Rambo all day every day and twice on a Sunday. Just a better footballer.
Over a 46 game season then Milner might be better value for money.
But never as good as Rambo. |
Over a 46 game season Milner would play most if not all. Ramsey 20 perhaps? | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 11:23 - Jun 12 with 745 views | onehunglow |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 22:09 - Jun 11 by Kilkennyjack |
An excellent post.
I think there are 4 categories to ponder
1. Bale and John Charles - Elite
2. Rambo level - World class, top nations level
3. Speed level - International standard, most nations
4. Other - does well for Wales
England have never had a player at Elite level, Bobby Charlton nearest ? |
Really
Charlton
Banks
Moore
Gascoigne
Stanley Matthew's
Jimmy Greaves
Dixie Dean
Harry Kane
Gerrard
Not all English are biological bananas
Just off the to of my head
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:54 - Jun 12 with 661 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 09:18 - Jun 12 by sons_of_omri |
Over a 46 game season Milner would play most if not all. Ramsey 20 perhaps? |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 14:04 - Jun 12 with 629 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 11:23 - Jun 12 by onehunglow |
Really
Charlton
Banks
Moore
Gascoigne
Stanley Matthew's
Jimmy Greaves
Dixie Dean
Harry Kane
Gerrard
Not all English are biological bananas
Just off the to of my head
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Not sure about Really but the others - are you serious ?
Sir Alex did not pick any of them and thats good enough for me.
Harry Kane - i mean, come on, its like a young Bruce Forsyth is having a run out.
None can touch Bale’s record, Gerrard never even won the title.
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 15:06 - Jun 12 with 579 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 14:04 - Jun 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Not sure about Really but the others - are you serious ?
Sir Alex did not pick any of them and thats good enough for me.
Harry Kane - i mean, come on, its like a young Bruce Forsyth is having a run out.
None can touch Bale’s record, Gerrard never even won the title.
Different gravy. |
And Bale wouldn't have won 5 Champions leagues at Liverpool either but would it mean he wasn't that good?
Lampard..Scholes?
Even top managers disagree about players. It's all just opinion in the end, unless you get to pick that team and see it play.
In Charles case football was played very differently, how he'd get on in the modern game nobody knows.
Personally I'd have Scholes and/or Lampard ahead of Ramsey every time. | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 17:17 - Jun 12 with 478 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 15:06 - Jun 12 by SullutaCreturned |
And Bale wouldn't have won 5 Champions leagues at Liverpool either but would it mean he wasn't that good?
Lampard..Scholes?
Even top managers disagree about players. It's all just opinion in the end, unless you get to pick that team and see it play.
In Charles case football was played very differently, how he'd get on in the modern game nobody knows.
Personally I'd have Scholes and/or Lampard ahead of Ramsey every time. |
If my auntie had a pair of what-sits she be my uncle.
No opinion needed - Bale did it and was an Elite footballer.
Scholes was world class.
Lampards goal record speaks up, but not a world class player.
Yes opinions are just opinions …. Thats the beauty of the game, but i do think the opinion of Alex Ferguson does carry some weight. Me and you - well not so much …. | |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 18:55 - Jun 12 with 390 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 17:17 - Jun 12 by Kilkennyjack |
If my auntie had a pair of what-sits she be my uncle.
No opinion needed - Bale did it and was an Elite footballer.
Scholes was world class.
Lampards goal record speaks up, but not a world class player.
Yes opinions are just opinions …. Thats the beauty of the game, but i do think the opinion of Alex Ferguson does carry some weight. Me and you - well not so much …. |
Yes Bale did it but he had a fair bit of help from an excellent team and he had his problems there.
If Ramsey id word class then Lampard is definitely so, he got 193 goals in 647 games, Ramsey got 53 in 387 so Lampard has 1 in roughly 3.5 versus Ramseys 1 in 7. Lampards scoring record is also better than Scholes, 107 in 499 and Scholes was in an arguably better team. Both great players, both better than Ramsey, in my opinion. Then, did Fergie try to sign Ramsey? | | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 12:15 - Jun 13 with 212 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 18:55 - Jun 12 by SullutaCreturned |
Yes Bale did it but he had a fair bit of help from an excellent team and he had his problems there.
If Ramsey id word class then Lampard is definitely so, he got 193 goals in 647 games, Ramsey got 53 in 387 so Lampard has 1 in roughly 3.5 versus Ramseys 1 in 7. Lampards scoring record is also better than Scholes, 107 in 499 and Scholes was in an arguably better team. Both great players, both better than Ramsey, in my opinion. Then, did Fergie try to sign Ramsey? |
I have no idea.
Fergie did say that John Charles was the only player from these islands that would make an all time world eleven.
None of Charlton, Moore, Law, Best, Keane, Scholes, Gerrard, etc made the team. | |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:18 - Jun 13 with 161 views | trampie |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 12:15 - Jun 13 by Kilkennyjack |
I have no idea.
Fergie did say that John Charles was the only player from these islands that would make an all time world eleven.
None of Charlton, Moore, Law, Best, Keane, Scholes, Gerrard, etc made the team. |
I put out a ranking list years ago and I think I had Charles either top 10 or top 20 its probably still online some where i will have to look , no English player made my top 50 . |  |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:37 - Jun 13 with 115 views | union_jack |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:18 - Jun 13 by trampie |
I put out a ranking list years ago and I think I had Charles either top 10 or top 20 its probably still online some where i will have to look , no English player made my top 50 . |
No sh1t!!😂 |  |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:37 - Jun 13 with 116 views | trampie |
That's a nice team.  | |
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| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:40 - Jun 13 with 98 views | Whiterockin |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:37 - Jun 13 by trampie |
That's a nice team. |
Trampie you asked me a question on another matter a couple of days ago. I sent you a PM which I don't think you have read yet. |  | | |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 14:18 - Jun 13 with 26 views | trampie |
| Ramsay the Cardiff legend on 13:40 - Jun 13 by Whiterockin |
Trampie you asked me a question on another matter a couple of days ago. I sent you a PM which I don't think you have read yet. |
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