| According to Kieren Maguire 08:33 - Jun 29 with 4738 views | enfieldargh |
Top football finance guru when asked which club in the championship is the best run financially???
His answer
QUEENS PARK RANGERS
interview on 2nd tier podcast on champ finances
Not usually an informative podcast but this latest episode
Is worth a listen
Not looking good for
Leicester
Sheff weds
Blackburn |  |
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| According to Kieren Maguire on 09:00 - Jun 29 with 3655 views | nix |
Surprised at Blackburn. You'd think selling Armstrong, Wharton and Szmodics in the 2020s for a total of nearly £50 million would have kept them pretty stable financially. |  | | |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 09:13 - Jun 29 with 3559 views | enfieldargh |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 09:00 - Jun 29 by nix |
Surprised at Blackburn. You'd think selling Armstrong, Wharton and Szmodics in the 2020s for a total of nearly £50 million would have kept them pretty stable financially. |
Venous pump in 1 million a month plus having difficulties in India
Most clubs benefactors n champ pump in millions | |
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| According to Kieren Maguire on 09:22 - Jun 29 with 3467 views | Lblock |
I’m not sure I’d be heralding a club over half a billion in debt as “financially well run” |  |
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| According to Kieren Maguire on 09:28 - Jun 29 with 3431 views | Hunterhoop |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 09:22 - Jun 29 by Lblock |
I’m not sure I’d be heralding a club over half a billion in debt as “financially well run” |
The club isn’t half a billion in debt. It may have lost have a billion in terms of the P&L over the last decade (probably more, I’d think), but it’s all been converted i to equity. The club has negligible debt. The owners paid for it.
It doesn’t surprise me massively. We are one of the few clubs that pay close attention to FFP and have a number of hindrances which mean we have to be disciplined in order to comply and stay competitive (well, not be relegated). |  | | |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 09:50 - Jun 29 with 3314 views | Hastings_Hoops |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 09:28 - Jun 29 by Hunterhoop |
The club isn’t half a billion in debt. It may have lost have a billion in terms of the P&L over the last decade (probably more, I’d think), but it’s all been converted i to equity. The club has negligible debt. The owners paid for it.
It doesn’t surprise me massively. We are one of the few clubs that pay close attention to FFP and have a number of hindrances which mean we have to be disciplined in order to comply and stay competitive (well, not be relegated). |
I generally agree QPR will be in the top six of financially well run clubs - but I would place Millwall and Knobend ahead of QPR. Very similar restrictions but no rich benefactor bank rolling an additional (permissible) loss. [Post edited 29 Jun 9:50]
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| According to Kieren Maguire on 10:08 - Jun 29 with 3210 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Just listened to the podcast. How refreshing to hear QPRs name not mentioned in the clusterf*ck clubs!
Got to take hats off to Nourry, which won't be popular with some, but he is turning the ship around. |  |
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| According to Kieren Maguire on 10:33 - Jun 29 with 3096 views | Malintabuk |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 10:08 - Jun 29 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Just listened to the podcast. How refreshing to hear QPRs name not mentioned in the clusterf*ck clubs!
Got to take hats off to Nourry, which won't be popular with some, but he is turning the ship around. |
I'm of the same thought. His reluctance to keep us the fans up to date is more of an issue with us than with what he seems to be doing
The Cifuentes episode other outside looked awkward, but none of us really have an handle on what happened, or why it happened
We have kept the players we all felt we should have, and the incoming all seem to be an improvement... the DS seems to be coming to fruition...
We are in real danger of losing our "basket case" tag | | | |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 10:50 - Jun 29 with 3012 views | Hunterhoop |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 10:08 - Jun 29 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Just listened to the podcast. How refreshing to hear QPRs name not mentioned in the clusterf*ck clubs!
Got to take hats off to Nourry, which won't be popular with some, but he is turning the ship around. |
Jesus. Give the propaganda a rest. We, and Kevin Maguire, have not yet seen a set of accounts from Nourry’s first full season at the helm! That’ll come out in March.
What Maguire is judging is based on the published accounts we do have which all relate to before Nourry’s reign.
Don’t get me wrong, he might have improved them. Who knows? We’ll find out in March what last season’s financial performance looked like. | | | |
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| According to Kieren Maguire on 10:55 - Jun 29 with 2973 views | Beestonranger |
I live and work in Nottingham and know a few Leicester fans. One in particular, a season ticket holder in his late 50s, is seriously worried about their finances - he said the same BEFORE they got promoted 2 seasons ago and nothing has changed. He's worried about them doing a Luton. | | | |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 11:12 - Jun 29 with 2841 views | numptydumpty |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 10:33 - Jun 29 by Malintabuk |
I'm of the same thought. His reluctance to keep us the fans up to date is more of an issue with us than with what he seems to be doing
The Cifuentes episode other outside looked awkward, but none of us really have an handle on what happened, or why it happened
We have kept the players we all felt we should have, and the incoming all seem to be an improvement... the DS seems to be coming to fruition...
We are in real danger of losing our "basket case" tag |
Am completely in agreement with all you say here.
I probably have seemed overly critical of Nourry myself.
But it is all based around this non disclosure of almost everything,and from looking in from the outside, there do appear to be less reasons to do this.
However, perhaps there was always something in this, because to bring in players of the like of Poku and Mbuenge from League One, when supposedly bigger hitters were in the picture also, is impressive negotiating.
Many last season, myself included, were also unhappy about recruitment from far flung lands and hopefully these players all come good, but there was definitely more hits than misses.
And now to get players from promising starts to their careers, at the level below is decent.
Being on H&F planning board also seems clever.
Lack of engagement with fans and also, the gardening leave affair with Marti also left a bitter taste, but as you yourself say, maybe there were other reasons behind this. Did it save the club money, had Marti blotted his copybook and Nourry would have been on a hiding over that, because of Cifuentes being held in such high regard by the fans, as always.
There are niggles for me, but the proof is in the pudding, and for me, there are some good signs.
I have often seen optimism show in every transfer window, but this time, it does look encouraging without being as yet proven.
Definitely give credit where it is due and if things have been improved as does appear, fair play. [Post edited 29 Jun 11:14]
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| According to Kieren Maguire on 11:26 - Jun 29 with 2780 views | DWQPR |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 09:50 - Jun 29 by Hastings_Hoops |
I generally agree QPR will be in the top six of financially well run clubs - but I would place Millwall and Knobend ahead of QPR. Very similar restrictions but no rich benefactor bank rolling an additional (permissible) loss. [Post edited 29 Jun 9:50]
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The Hemmings family that owns Preston is worth in excess of £1billion and the Berylson family that owns Millwall are mere paupers with a family of around £175million. I’d like to think that we are now much better run than under the made days of Tony Fernandes although at the time we were all pleased with the mass of signings we were making. Reuben seems to have steadied the ship massively and like him or not Nourry seems to have started to get a handle on things. Shaking up the academy has been a massive plus getting rid of a real load of deadwood who would be lucky to make a career in the National Leagues. Players that we all thought would be offski if weren’t sold beforehand like Chair and Dunne seem to be more than happy to extend their stays and we are starting to attract some real young talent that I suspect other clubs would have been more than happy to sign in the likes of Vale and Poku. We haven’t lost any players that we would really miss from last season and the younger players such as Morgan, Kholli and Alfie will be better for their experiences last season. All in all I reckon we have a better squad than last season and who knows, maybe a better manager. | |
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| According to Kieren Maguire on 11:47 - Jun 29 with 2684 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 10:50 - Jun 29 by Hunterhoop |
Jesus. Give the propaganda a rest. We, and Kevin Maguire, have not yet seen a set of accounts from Nourry’s first full season at the helm! That’ll come out in March.
What Maguire is judging is based on the published accounts we do have which all relate to before Nourry’s reign.
Don’t get me wrong, he might have improved them. Who knows? We’ll find out in March what last season’s financial performance looked like. |
Listen to the podcast. Maguire hasn't seen the latest accounts for any of the teams mentioned, he is basing it on the last published and what has happened in the interim. He does this every year.
It's all looking a lot better. | |
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| According to Kieren Maguire on 11:51 - Jun 29 with 2648 views | Esox_Lucius |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 11:47 - Jun 29 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Listen to the podcast. Maguire hasn't seen the latest accounts for any of the teams mentioned, he is basing it on the last published and what has happened in the interim. He does this every year.
It's all looking a lot better. |
All based on the legwork undertaken by Les. There appears to be a concerted effort to downplay any good he achieved in his time as DofF |  |
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| According to Kieren Maguire on 12:18 - Jun 29 with 2509 views | DavieQPR |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 11:51 - Jun 29 by Esox_Lucius |
All based on the legwork undertaken by Les. There appears to be a concerted effort to downplay any good he achieved in his time as DofF |
As in? |  | | |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 12:33 - Jun 29 with 2446 views | hertshoops |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 11:51 - Jun 29 by Esox_Lucius |
All based on the legwork undertaken by Les. There appears to be a concerted effort to downplay any good he achieved in his time as DofF |
Well getting the horrendous Prem wage bill right down was definitely attributable to Sir Les and not Nourry |  | | |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 12:50 - Jun 29 with 2374 views | derbyhoop |
We've made huge strides since getting relegated from the PL. Most of that is down to Sir Les and Hoos, but Nourry's work over the last 18 months hasn't been all bad. The training ground is bringing in some revenue, the wage bill has stabilised or reduced, the recruitment, particularly the DS looks good, crowds have been good, and the fan base seems a lot younger. Hopefully, the players from last year will be better settled and the new ones look promising. If Eze does get sold then there's a big windfall.
Then it's the hope that kills you. |  |
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| According to Kieren Maguire on 13:02 - Jun 29 with 2327 views | CiderwithRsie |
It is possible for Nourry to be doing a good job on the finances, in very challenging circumstances, and to also have acted like a complete arse in respect of Cifuentes.
I'm not saying either of those statements are true, because I don't know jack about the details, but they aren't in any way contradictory.
Whatever. I think worse of the club for falling out with a manager I rated and who made most of us feel better about the club. But he's gone and the replacement looks decent on paper. Onwards and, err, upwards-ish? Maybe 15th this year? | | | |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 13:43 - Jun 29 with 2151 views | connell10 |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 13:02 - Jun 29 by CiderwithRsie |
It is possible for Nourry to be doing a good job on the finances, in very challenging circumstances, and to also have acted like a complete arse in respect of Cifuentes.
I'm not saying either of those statements are true, because I don't know jack about the details, but they aren't in any way contradictory.
Whatever. I think worse of the club for falling out with a manager I rated and who made most of us feel better about the club. But he's gone and the replacement looks decent on paper. Onwards and, err, upwards-ish? Maybe 15th this year? |
I just don't like the way Nourry comes across, he looks like he has a bad smell permanently under his nose! He might very well being doing a good job, who knows, but as a man not for me and I don't think I'll ever change my mind on that! |  |
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| According to Kieren Maguire on 14:49 - Jun 29 with 1944 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 09:13 - Jun 29 by enfieldargh |
Venous pump in 1 million a month plus having difficulties in India
Most clubs benefactors n champ pump in millions |
Is it correct in saying those 3 clubs have foreign owners and there is financial issues in their home countries.
Look at Cardiff City they imploded and mainly because of owners living abroad putting idiots (or really unqualified people like sons )in charge and it goes badly pretty fast.
Even QPR would be in the soup if something happened to effect the wealth of our owners and with world wide conflicts going on that could happen overnight .
Is there not any English born billionaries living there with a serious interest in the game willing to buy a club ? |  | | |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 14:58 - Jun 29 with 1918 views | Juzzie |
Has FFP and all the financial constraints put on us actually helped, by keeping us in check?
Staying up the last two seasons was very much a must and we did that.
Hopefully we can start improving…. Little acorns and all that. |  | | |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 16:04 - Jun 29 with 1680 views | dmm |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 14:58 - Jun 29 by Juzzie |
Has FFP and all the financial constraints put on us actually helped, by keeping us in check?
Staying up the last two seasons was very much a must and we did that.
Hopefully we can start improving…. Little acorns and all that. |
FFP would appear to have helped us put our house in order. However, when taken together with things like parachute payments and the increasing gap between the Championship and the PL, FFP restrictions effectively mean we're at an unfair disadvantage in comparison to other clubs. |  | | |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 16:14 - Jun 29 with 1631 views | CiderwithRsie |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 13:43 - Jun 29 by connell10 |
I just don't like the way Nourry comes across, he looks like he has a bad smell permanently under his nose! He might very well being doing a good job, who knows, but as a man not for me and I don't think I'll ever change my mind on that! |
I'd feel better about him if he spoke basic English (the more basic the better). | | | |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 17:46 - Jun 29 with 1435 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 16:14 - Jun 29 by CiderwithRsie |
I'd feel better about him if he spoke basic English (the more basic the better). |
I'd feel 10 times better about him if he stopped sending people on here pretending to be something/someone they are not having to big him up constantly. They stand out like a sore thumb compared to actual posters who are supportive of him.
Just do your job. Lot's of it has the potential to be going very well. We're all excited by the new signings and keen to see what the new manager can do with them. We don't need to be told how good you are. Results will make that apparent. |  | | |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 21:49 - Jun 29 with 1071 views | Northernr |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 13:43 - Jun 29 by connell10 |
I just don't like the way Nourry comes across, he looks like he has a bad smell permanently under his nose! He might very well being doing a good job, who knows, but as a man not for me and I don't think I'll ever change my mind on that! |
Mate this is a bit mental. I have my reservations too but QPR is a tough job that has swallowed plenty of others before, if this guy cracks it we should be overjoyed. We just want QPR to win right? If he achieves that he should get credit and respect, however he looks or whatever. Got to be fair, and keep criticism legitimate. This is a bit mad  |  | | |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 21:58 - Jun 29 with 1036 views | QPRSam |
| According to Kieren Maguire on 21:49 - Jun 29 by Northernr |
Mate this is a bit mental. I have my reservations too but QPR is a tough job that has swallowed plenty of others before, if this guy cracks it we should be overjoyed. We just want QPR to win right? If he achieves that he should get credit and respect, however he looks or whatever. Got to be fair, and keep criticism legitimate. This is a bit mad |
And the post above accusing Nourry of making accounts on here to defend himself and slate "Evil Les"! I dare them to have a look on QPR twitter, the paranoia might hit manic levels | | | |
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