| Morecambe on 07:11 - Aug 15 with 4975 views | TalkingSutty |
The clocks ticking. Apparently Whittingham and Punjib Warriors might have struck a deal, i suspect its another can kicking exercise. The deadline for Morecambe is the 20th August.
It will always be important for fans and shareholders to be vigilant when it comes to who is coming into the boardroom, who is in a position of influence and who has access to sensitive information. As a club we've found that out the hard way. The perils of the Trust becoming too close to the CEO and Directors was instrumental in Bottomley having a free hand to do what he wanted with the club unchallenged. A Trust and influential life long fans compromised. That's a uncomfortable truth.
We are on a new journey now and i hope lessons have been learned. Soon we will probably be looking at putting a new Trust Director in place, a process that was supposedly open to everybody but the job spec will ensure that wont be the case. That's fair enough but what cant be compromised is the professionalism of that person and his reputation as a trustworthy person with no criminal background. The Ogden family definitely don't deserve that. That person is representing the fanbase. He or she will have access to sensitive information and also personal details, we have supporters who are vulnerable and its important their details are protected and not shared by anybody at the club. I include the Trust in that, they also hold details of probably 800 individuals. Again, some of who are vulnerable adults. This is important to me and my friends will know why.
I'm assuming the club will be doing CRB and background checks on Trust Director applicants and would hope this has also been normal practice for anybody joining the Trust board with access to members personal details? It's a legal requirement to do that and best practice. It's something that i'm going to contact the club about to ensure this is happening. [Post edited 15 Aug 8:45]
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| Morecambe on 09:27 - Aug 15 with 4705 views | D_Alien |
| Morecambe on 07:11 - Aug 15 by TalkingSutty |
The clocks ticking. Apparently Whittingham and Punjib Warriors might have struck a deal, i suspect its another can kicking exercise. The deadline for Morecambe is the 20th August.
It will always be important for fans and shareholders to be vigilant when it comes to who is coming into the boardroom, who is in a position of influence and who has access to sensitive information. As a club we've found that out the hard way. The perils of the Trust becoming too close to the CEO and Directors was instrumental in Bottomley having a free hand to do what he wanted with the club unchallenged. A Trust and influential life long fans compromised. That's a uncomfortable truth.
We are on a new journey now and i hope lessons have been learned. Soon we will probably be looking at putting a new Trust Director in place, a process that was supposedly open to everybody but the job spec will ensure that wont be the case. That's fair enough but what cant be compromised is the professionalism of that person and his reputation as a trustworthy person with no criminal background. The Ogden family definitely don't deserve that. That person is representing the fanbase. He or she will have access to sensitive information and also personal details, we have supporters who are vulnerable and its important their details are protected and not shared by anybody at the club. I include the Trust in that, they also hold details of probably 800 individuals. Again, some of who are vulnerable adults. This is important to me and my friends will know why.
I'm assuming the club will be doing CRB and background checks on Trust Director applicants and would hope this has also been normal practice for anybody joining the Trust board with access to members personal details? It's a legal requirement to do that and best practice. It's something that i'm going to contact the club about to ensure this is happening. [Post edited 15 Aug 8:45]
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You raise some points there that some will balk at, take umbrage. However, access to personal details was utilised during the Bottomley period to put pressure on them, and that can never be allowed to happen again, so your points are valid
As for the job spec, we await the minutes - STILL - from the Trust EGM of several weeks ago now, which are pertinent to that job spec - it's not a 'given' in its current form
The Morecambe debacle is an awful reminder that we got very lucky, through having such a vigilant and pro-active fanbase at Dale. The future can't be known, so that must continue, both within and without the Trust [Post edited 15 Aug 9:30]
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| Morecambe on 09:44 - Aug 15 with 4640 views | TalkingSutty |
| Morecambe on 09:27 - Aug 15 by D_Alien |
You raise some points there that some will balk at, take umbrage. However, access to personal details was utilised during the Bottomley period to put pressure on them, and that can never be allowed to happen again, so your points are valid
As for the job spec, we await the minutes - STILL - from the Trust EGM of several weeks ago now, which are pertinent to that job spec - it's not a 'given' in its current form
The Morecambe debacle is an awful reminder that we got very lucky, through having such a vigilant and pro-active fanbase at Dale. The future can't be known, so that must continue, both within and without the Trust [Post edited 15 Aug 9:30]
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My own personal details were compromised during Bottomleys timè at the club. I've had many instances of not receiving updates from the Trust and also nothing from the club in relation to shareholders meetings etc. I've had to submit the same contact details on several occassions to the club and the Trust.
I know numerous people who have had problems in relation to not receiving updates from the Trust. They've posted the problem on this forum and confronted the Trust personally about it. When its questioned its never their fault. Well it obviously is and peoples personal details are going missing. I'm no longer a member of the trust so that doesnt matter anymore. It shouldn't be happening though. In fairness i've had no issues with the football club since the Ogden takeover, communication has been good.
The way that the Trust EGM was conducted was a disgrace in my opinion, trust members being treated with disdain and ridicule from the moment the meeting started. Those present know how it was conducted from the very start, that set the tone. The fact that one of our most respected fans and a former Trust Chairman felt the need to walk out of the meeting tells you all you need to know. [Post edited 15 Aug 10:11]
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| Morecambe on 10:05 - Aug 15 with 4563 views | D_Alien |
| Morecambe on 09:44 - Aug 15 by TalkingSutty |
My own personal details were compromised during Bottomleys timè at the club. I've had many instances of not receiving updates from the Trust and also nothing from the club in relation to shareholders meetings etc. I've had to submit the same contact details on several occassions to the club and the Trust.
I know numerous people who have had problems in relation to not receiving updates from the Trust. They've posted the problem on this forum and confronted the Trust personally about it. When its questioned its never their fault. Well it obviously is and peoples personal details are going missing. I'm no longer a member of the trust so that doesnt matter anymore. It shouldn't be happening though. In fairness i've had no issues with the football club since the Ogden takeover, communication has been good.
The way that the Trust EGM was conducted was a disgrace in my opinion, trust members being treated with disdain and ridicule from the moment the meeting started. Those present know how it was conducted from the very start, that set the tone. The fact that one of our most respected fans and a former Trust Chairman felt the need to walk out of the meeting tells you all you need to know. [Post edited 15 Aug 10:11]
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One can only imagine that's one of the reasons it's proving problematic to provide minutes
Also worth noting that inaccurate, or incomplete minutes can be challenged
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| Morecambe on 13:19 - Aug 15 with 4249 views | Plattyswrinklynuts |
| Morecambe on 10:05 - Aug 15 by D_Alien |
One can only imagine that's one of the reasons it's proving problematic to provide minutes
Also worth noting that inaccurate, or incomplete minutes can be challenged
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Do we know who was actually minuting the meeting?
The issue with challenging minutes of a meeting is that obviously people’s recollections may be different. Perhaps an independent minute taker would be preferable?
There’s nothing to stop any fan attending from taking contemporaneous notes & comparing them to the “official” version … Just to avoid any confusion…
I understand completely that the trust board are volunteers & have other commitments but the longer the wait goes on the greater potential for doubt. |  | | |
| Morecambe on 13:31 - Aug 15 with 4211 views | D_Alien |
| Morecambe on 13:19 - Aug 15 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
Do we know who was actually minuting the meeting?
The issue with challenging minutes of a meeting is that obviously people’s recollections may be different. Perhaps an independent minute taker would be preferable?
There’s nothing to stop any fan attending from taking contemporaneous notes & comparing them to the “official” version … Just to avoid any confusion…
I understand completely that the trust board are volunteers & have other commitments but the longer the wait goes on the greater potential for doubt. |
There was a designated minute-taker (as one would expect) plus others taking their own minutes. Worth noting there was a member of the FSA present
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| Morecambe on 14:35 - Aug 15 with 4047 views | Dalenet |
| Morecambe on 07:11 - Aug 15 by TalkingSutty |
The clocks ticking. Apparently Whittingham and Punjib Warriors might have struck a deal, i suspect its another can kicking exercise. The deadline for Morecambe is the 20th August.
It will always be important for fans and shareholders to be vigilant when it comes to who is coming into the boardroom, who is in a position of influence and who has access to sensitive information. As a club we've found that out the hard way. The perils of the Trust becoming too close to the CEO and Directors was instrumental in Bottomley having a free hand to do what he wanted with the club unchallenged. A Trust and influential life long fans compromised. That's a uncomfortable truth.
We are on a new journey now and i hope lessons have been learned. Soon we will probably be looking at putting a new Trust Director in place, a process that was supposedly open to everybody but the job spec will ensure that wont be the case. That's fair enough but what cant be compromised is the professionalism of that person and his reputation as a trustworthy person with no criminal background. The Ogden family definitely don't deserve that. That person is representing the fanbase. He or she will have access to sensitive information and also personal details, we have supporters who are vulnerable and its important their details are protected and not shared by anybody at the club. I include the Trust in that, they also hold details of probably 800 individuals. Again, some of who are vulnerable adults. This is important to me and my friends will know why.
I'm assuming the club will be doing CRB and background checks on Trust Director applicants and would hope this has also been normal practice for anybody joining the Trust board with access to members personal details? It's a legal requirement to do that and best practice. It's something that i'm going to contact the club about to ensure this is happening. [Post edited 15 Aug 8:45]
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We can only hope that Morecambe get this 11th hour deal over the line and that they start playing fixtures next week - both for their fans and the integrity of the league. But they will struggle to pull a team together at this late stage even if a new owner throws cash at it.
As for the comments on data and CRB checks. I am not sure where you think it is a legal requirement TS. It is best practice where somebody is dealing with vulnerable people and children - but most of the Trust Board will not be. The football club board will be best advised to do the right background checks including CRB. But these checks cost money and I am not sure Trust subscriptions need to be thrown at that where the risk is minimal. Your examples of communications show a frustration with the Trust not communicating with members - it is only a data protection issue if they communicate with those that asked not to receive communications. And as you say, it doesn't affect those that are not members either. It will be interesting to see how the Trust re-invents itself this season. I don't even know if they have appointed somebody to Chair it as yet. |  | | |
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| Morecambe on 14:57 - Aug 15 with 3995 views | Dale_4_Life |
This looks like kicking the can a little further down the road...
Yes Morecambe will probably now be allowed to start the season.
With the Bond group still involved i just don't see a happy ending in the near future.
Morecambe could easily flirt with a 3rd relegation that could dump then in NLN. | | | |
| Morecambe on 15:59 - Aug 15 with 3898 views | TalkingSutty |
| Morecambe on 14:35 - Aug 15 by Dalenet |
We can only hope that Morecambe get this 11th hour deal over the line and that they start playing fixtures next week - both for their fans and the integrity of the league. But they will struggle to pull a team together at this late stage even if a new owner throws cash at it.
As for the comments on data and CRB checks. I am not sure where you think it is a legal requirement TS. It is best practice where somebody is dealing with vulnerable people and children - but most of the Trust Board will not be. The football club board will be best advised to do the right background checks including CRB. But these checks cost money and I am not sure Trust subscriptions need to be thrown at that where the risk is minimal. Your examples of communications show a frustration with the Trust not communicating with members - it is only a data protection issue if they communicate with those that asked not to receive communications. And as you say, it doesn't affect those that are not members either. It will be interesting to see how the Trust re-invents itself this season. I don't even know if they have appointed somebody to Chair it as yet. |
So you're suggesting that when a organisation like a supporters trust has access to probably 800 peoples personal details there doesn't need to be guidelines adhered to in respect of how those details are stored and who has access to them? Amongst those details will be young children, females, vulnerable adults. Have you never heard of the data protection act and the repercussions of not vetting those who have access to sensitive information? Everybody on the Trust board should be subjected to a CRB check, we have a wide demographic of supporters and if you don't do the checks then how do you know the background of individuals who you are trusting around young supporters etc. There have been high profile cases of abuse at football clubs and checks should be standard procedure for those in a position of trust. DBS ( CRB) checks ensure that persons handling or accessing peoples personal details are trustworthy. [Post edited 15 Aug 16:26]
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| Morecambe on 16:24 - Aug 15 with 3829 views | Dalenet |
| Morecambe on 15:59 - Aug 15 by TalkingSutty |
So you're suggesting that when a organisation like a supporters trust has access to probably 800 peoples personal details there doesn't need to be guidelines adhered to in respect of how those details are stored and who has access to them? Amongst those details will be young children, females, vulnerable adults. Have you never heard of the data protection act and the repercussions of not vetting those who have access to sensitive information? Everybody on the Trust board should be subjected to a CRB check, we have a wide demographic of supporters and if you don't do the checks then how do you know the background of individuals who you are trusting around young supporters etc. There have been high profile cases of abuse at football clubs and checks should be standard procedure for those in a position of trust. DBS ( CRB) checks ensure that persons handling or accessing peoples personal details are trustworthy. [Post edited 15 Aug 16:26]
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| Morecambe on 16:33 - Aug 15 with 3801 views | TalkingSutty |
| Morecambe on 16:24 - Aug 15 by Dalenet |
Read what I wrote, rather than what you think I wrote |
I did read it and you're wrong. If you think its ok for anybody to just go onto the Trust board and start accessing peoples information it isn't. Individuals should be vetted properly. Does commonsense not tell you that? The risk might be minimal to you but its that sort of lacksidasical attitude that allows people with criminal records to infiltrate businesses and organisations with young and vulnerable people. There will be Trust members who fall into that catergory. Data is important and there are people who put themselves in a position to access and steal it. [Post edited 15 Aug 16:39]
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| Morecambe on 16:39 - Aug 15 with 3778 views | BigKindo |
Is there any chance that this thread could revert to it's original subject? It would only take a minute. |  | | |
| Morecambe on 16:43 - Aug 15 with 3757 views | TalkingSutty |
| Morecambe on 16:39 - Aug 15 by BigKindo |
Is there any chance that this thread could revert to it's original subject? It would only take a minute. |
Apologies for that. | | | |
| Morecambe on 16:46 - Aug 15 with 3740 views | Dalenet |
| Morecambe on 16:33 - Aug 15 by TalkingSutty |
I did read it and you're wrong. If you think its ok for anybody to just go onto the Trust board and start accessing peoples information it isn't. Individuals should be vetted properly. Does commonsense not tell you that? The risk might be minimal to you but its that sort of lacksidasical attitude that allows people with criminal records to infiltrate businesses and organisations with young and vulnerable people. There will be Trust members who fall into that catergory. Data is important and there are people who put themselves in a position to access and steal it. [Post edited 15 Aug 16:39]
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You have made a big assumption that anybody who is elected to the Trust Board has access to members personal data. There will be somebody on the Board with Data Protection responsibilities and access to data will be limited to those that need to use the data. That is a GDPR requirement.
I said I beleived that anybody working with vulnerable people is best CRB checked. But the Trust will have a Safeguarding Policy and that is the framework for the Trust Board to work with. I doubt the majority of the Trust Board do any work with vulnerable people in the way you perceive it. This isn't the same as football school training for example, or the youth team incidents of other clubs in the past.
So as somebody that is a Board Director, completely understands GDPR and CRB, I stand by what I said. Thanks for hijacking a thread about Morecambe to continually bash the Trust over the head. As you said - you are not even a member. Let it go. | | | |
| Morecambe on 17:03 - Aug 15 with 3710 views | TalkingSutty |
| Morecambe on 16:46 - Aug 15 by Dalenet |
You have made a big assumption that anybody who is elected to the Trust Board has access to members personal data. There will be somebody on the Board with Data Protection responsibilities and access to data will be limited to those that need to use the data. That is a GDPR requirement.
I said I beleived that anybody working with vulnerable people is best CRB checked. But the Trust will have a Safeguarding Policy and that is the framework for the Trust Board to work with. I doubt the majority of the Trust Board do any work with vulnerable people in the way you perceive it. This isn't the same as football school training for example, or the youth team incidents of other clubs in the past.
So as somebody that is a Board Director, completely understands GDPR and CRB, I stand by what I said. Thanks for hijacking a thread about Morecambe to continually bash the Trust over the head. As you said - you are not even a member. Let it go. |
You do you and i'll do me. You are the one making assumptions in regards to who has access to members personal data on the Trust in your post. I'm glad you're comfortable with it. Just becsuse you're a board director means bugger all, you're obviously very naive. You'll be telling me next that if somebody in your place of work had a criminal conviction for breach of data protection, you'd still give them the job and expose all your employees 🤣. Now do as Big Kindo suggests and stop hijacking the thread please. [Post edited 15 Aug 17:30]
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| Morecambe on 20:25 - Aug 18 with 2325 views | cumbria_dale |
Derek Adams sacked https://www.morecambefc.com/news/2025/august/18/Morecambe-Football-Club-Part-Way
New owners must have their own man they want in charge.
He's got about 4 days to assemble a full squad in time for the game against Alty on Saturday. I could imagine Derek Adams managing to assemble such a squad with his connections. No idea who they've got in mind to be manager now, but that's a heck of an ask. Perhaps the circus isnt over, it's just about to begin. | | | |
| Morecambe on 10:52 - Aug 19 with 1893 views | D_Alien |
They'll be on a hiding to nothing against a decent Alty side, but will be interesting to see how this develops [Post edited 19 Aug 10:53]
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| Morecambe on 12:48 - Aug 19 with 1701 views | Daley_Lama |
I suspect Morecambe fans at present will simply be glad that the club exists (for now)
Manager selection seems similar to process of Indian Cricket Team, where who you know is a very high charictaristic required above, erm, everything else really.
Oh well, at least we have Boxing Day fish and chips back on the menu. Good luck Morecambe fans as always. |  |
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| Morecambe on 13:16 - Aug 19 with 1639 views | Dalenet |
The BBC seems to suggest that more games will be postponed as they only have 5 registered players and can't even train as yet. Not sure the National League will be too happy about that - although better that than Morecambe going under and we all lose two games. | | | |
| Morecambe on 13:52 - Aug 19 with 1575 views | D_Alien |
| Morecambe on 13:16 - Aug 19 by Dalenet |
The BBC seems to suggest that more games will be postponed as they only have 5 registered players and can't even train as yet. Not sure the National League will be too happy about that - although better that than Morecambe going under and we all lose two games. |
It would've been expected of the National League that they checked the current state of Morecambe's readiness before having fixtures re-instated - not least, since as i alluded to earlier (but which is obvious anyway) the teams who've already had a pre-season and played competitive fixtures would be at such an advantage for the first couple of weeks at least, that it would be unfair on the rest of the teams having to play them when they're more prepared [Post edited 19 Aug 13:54]
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| Morecambe on 18:16 - Aug 19 with 1263 views | Dale_4_Life |
Its a shambles.
An absolute disgrace by the National League to not take a firmer stance in this matter. Trying to bend and accommodate has made the situation even worse.
The national league started on the 09th August, Any side not able to fulfill the fixtures from this date whilst demonstrating a level of sustainability should be removed from the league.
This situation creates an inbalance that has implications throughout the league for a whole season.
How long do they get given to get ready? and as alluded it looks a gift wrapped 3 points for Alty on Saturday. | | | |
| Morecambe on 19:27 - Aug 20 with 694 views | Rehsad |
| Morecambe on 10:52 - Aug 19 by D_Alien |
They'll be on a hiding to nothing against a decent Alty side, but will be interesting to see how this develops [Post edited 19 Aug 10:53]
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It will indeed be interesting - this guy is no mug, I have a friend who used to work with him and rates him highly. First he has to build a team - and then he has to get them to play for him. It's not going to be easy. But although this may appear as left-field he is no random pick.
I do think that NL has screwed this up though - it does appear to give a very unfair advantage to those teams playing them early in the season. Having said that, I'd rather see Morecambe survive and there be a little imbalance in the league than to see Morecambe fold. | | | |
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