| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? 22:23 - Aug 17 with 3391 views | theone_theonly |
I can’t be the only one surprised at the fact he hasn’t been involved much so far. I thought he played well in midfield during pre season and seems a competent left back as well.
Pretty sure he has EFL experience after loans at Bristol Rovers and Hull so he likely has a decent idea of the physicality needed to compete in this league.
Why is he not getting a look in when he can play in the 2 positions we’re struggling in the most? |  | | |  |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 00:00 - Aug 18 with 2754 views | CateLeBonR |
He does feel like the joker in our pack. I suspect he’s being nursed back in to playing after his back injury but if all goes well, we’ll be seeing a lot more of him. |  | | |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 07:21 - Aug 18 with 2476 views | dmm |
Perhaps he's a victim of his own ability to play in different positions - Jack of all trades and master of none. His main position is left or central attacking midfield and he'll not be first choice for those slots. |  | | |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 09:38 - Aug 18 with 2183 views | QPRSam |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 00:00 - Aug 18 by CateLeBonR |
He does feel like the joker in our pack. I suspect he’s being nursed back in to playing after his back injury but if all goes well, we’ll be seeing a lot more of him. |
I really hope you're right, otherwise can see him getting frustrated. If he's sat on that bench on Saturday and sees Dembele coming off, yet we call on Celar, I wouldn't blame him. Really didn't get that sub as it nullified Kone's impact also. Unless they see him as a left back now?
Some of his deliveries at Plymouth were great, he clearly has the technical ability. He should have a big part to play this season |  | | |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 10:30 - Aug 18 with 2026 views | Pdog |
But the load… think of the load. We can’t possibly risk him running around for more than 100 mins a week!
I agree and when going for it, we could’ve brought him on at LB on Saturday. Once we eventually get some proper cover there, I’d like to see him more central. Great technique, good on the ball… too lightweight? Throw him in and we’ll find out. |  | | |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 10:38 - Aug 18 with 1989 views | Hunterhoop |
I like the look of Vale. Looks to have some class about him. I could see him in a midfield 3 with Field and Varane. I think that might work. I would speculate he might already be the progressive passer of the ball in the club.
However, he is coming back from a serious injury. I think they are worried about how much he plays. He also looks a tad slow.
I would like to see him given a chance there, with Chair going back out to the left, just to see how it works. |  | | |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 10:53 - Aug 18 with 1879 views | ozexile |
If I was midfielder at QPR and couldn't get in ahead of Madsen I'd be asking my agent for an out. | | | |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 10:59 - Aug 18 with 1832 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 10:38 - Aug 18 by Hunterhoop |
I like the look of Vale. Looks to have some class about him. I could see him in a midfield 3 with Field and Varane. I think that might work. I would speculate he might already be the progressive passer of the ball in the club.
However, he is coming back from a serious injury. I think they are worried about how much he plays. He also looks a tad slow.
I would like to see him given a chance there, with Chair going back out to the left, just to see how it works. |
I'm of the same mind, HH.
He might not be as good, but Ray Wilkins would need a couple of days head start to have a chance of beating Kone or Burrell over the 100m dash. Maybe Vale could be just the chap to move judiciously around the park like Ray providing an outlet, using the ball wisely, and keep us ticking along. |  |
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| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:07 - Aug 18 with 1763 views | daveB |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 10:38 - Aug 18 by Hunterhoop |
I like the look of Vale. Looks to have some class about him. I could see him in a midfield 3 with Field and Varane. I think that might work. I would speculate he might already be the progressive passer of the ball in the club.
However, he is coming back from a serious injury. I think they are worried about how much he plays. He also looks a tad slow.
I would like to see him given a chance there, with Chair going back out to the left, just to see how it works. |
I think CHair's place could be under threat this year, I like the idea of the 3 man midfield with Vale or Morgan as the third one, Chair has really regressed in the last 18 months understandably with the injuries and off field issues, hopefully he get back to his best again this season but do worry for him |  | | |
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| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:12 - Aug 18 with 1729 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 10:59 - Aug 18 by PlanetHonneywood |
I'm of the same mind, HH.
He might not be as good, but Ray Wilkins would need a couple of days head start to have a chance of beating Kone or Burrell over the 100m dash. Maybe Vale could be just the chap to move judiciously around the park like Ray providing an outlet, using the ball wisely, and keep us ticking along. |
For context Super Ray was in the twilight of his career. Was looking after his conditioning and had played at top clubs like AC Milan, Man Utd as well as captaining for England.
As a player he was more like Gerrard or Lampard. At QPR he was allowed to run the midfield, as we had players like Barker or Holloway to do his running for him. That team was also innovative for having very attacking fullbacks who covered all the wings in a way this team hasn't done since.
Although I do think Vale has a great eye for a pass at the moment he's closer to Tom Carroll than Super Ray |  | | |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:21 - Aug 18 with 1675 views | Rsole |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 09:38 - Aug 18 by QPRSam |
I really hope you're right, otherwise can see him getting frustrated. If he's sat on that bench on Saturday and sees Dembele coming off, yet we call on Celar, I wouldn't blame him. Really didn't get that sub as it nullified Kone's impact also. Unless they see him as a left back now?
Some of his deliveries at Plymouth were great, he clearly has the technical ability. He should have a big part to play this season |
Agree Sam, it would have made much more sense at the time. |  |
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| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:26 - Aug 18 with 1639 views | Rsole |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:21 - Aug 18 by Rsole |
Agree Sam, it would have made much more sense at the time. |
But Celar cost us money, so he takes priority over Vale.
Same deal with Madsen, isn’t it ? | |
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| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:35 - Aug 18 with 1579 views | QPRSam |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:21 - Aug 18 by Rsole |
Agree Sam, it would have made much more sense at the time. |
Yep you saw very suddenly we didn't really have a midfield and Kone had to drop to fill in that space. Having the 2 strikers can work if we get the ball in the box but that didn't happen either. Very frustrating as it did kill the game and our momentum. | | | |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:37 - Aug 18 with 1566 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:12 - Aug 18 by nick_hammersmith |
For context Super Ray was in the twilight of his career. Was looking after his conditioning and had played at top clubs like AC Milan, Man Utd as well as captaining for England.
As a player he was more like Gerrard or Lampard. At QPR he was allowed to run the midfield, as we had players like Barker or Holloway to do his running for him. That team was also innovative for having very attacking fullbacks who covered all the wings in a way this team hasn't done since.
Although I do think Vale has a great eye for a pass at the moment he's closer to Tom Carroll than Super Ray |
Well, I was responding to HH's point about 'pace' and using Wilkins' lack of it as a comparator. | |
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| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:45 - Aug 18 with 1535 views | Rsole |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:35 - Aug 18 by QPRSam |
Yep you saw very suddenly we didn't really have a midfield and Kone had to drop to fill in that space. Having the 2 strikers can work if we get the ball in the box but that didn't happen either. Very frustrating as it did kill the game and our momentum. |
Also Kone seemingly dropped off when Celar come on instead of leading the line. Nonsense when you are chasing the game and Kone’s already had a chance.
Celar barely touched the ball but the impact was completely negative, nonetheless. Ok, we paid a decent wedge for Celar but give Kone a better chance of success, FFS ! We paid for him too….
Then there was Burrell, completely stranded because no one played to his strengths. How many balls went over the top, into space or into channels for him to run on to ? I don’t remember one but we must know what he can do after Plymouth. Feed the guy and release some of the pressure on the rest of the team. He’s not just there to press. | |
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| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:54 - Aug 18 with 1509 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:45 - Aug 18 by Rsole |
Also Kone seemingly dropped off when Celar come on instead of leading the line. Nonsense when you are chasing the game and Kone’s already had a chance.
Celar barely touched the ball but the impact was completely negative, nonetheless. Ok, we paid a decent wedge for Celar but give Kone a better chance of success, FFS ! We paid for him too….
Then there was Burrell, completely stranded because no one played to his strengths. How many balls went over the top, into space or into channels for him to run on to ? I don’t remember one but we must know what he can do after Plymouth. Feed the guy and release some of the pressure on the rest of the team. He’s not just there to press. |
It worries and never ceases to amaze me how we can all see this before the coaches/players!
Punting it to Buzz head height when he's got a big old unit up his wazoo after scaring the crap out of PAFC with his pace. Just staggering when we've spent the week talking about how pacey we now are!
I get the feeling Kone will let team mates know what he wants and where he wants it in no uncertain terms. | |
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| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 12:14 - Aug 18 with 1413 views | dmm |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:54 - Aug 18 by PlanetHonneywood |
It worries and never ceases to amaze me how we can all see this before the coaches/players!
Punting it to Buzz head height when he's got a big old unit up his wazoo after scaring the crap out of PAFC with his pace. Just staggering when we've spent the week talking about how pacey we now are!
I get the feeling Kone will let team mates know what he wants and where he wants it in no uncertain terms. |
Punting it to Buzz..... I'd love that. | | | |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 12:26 - Aug 18 with 1334 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 09:38 - Aug 18 by QPRSam |
I really hope you're right, otherwise can see him getting frustrated. If he's sat on that bench on Saturday and sees Dembele coming off, yet we call on Celar, I wouldn't blame him. Really didn't get that sub as it nullified Kone's impact also. Unless they see him as a left back now?
Some of his deliveries at Plymouth were great, he clearly has the technical ability. He should have a big part to play this season |
I think he's being brought along slowly so as not to recur a prior injury. He's on the grass at the moment. Come October he'll be sufficiently loaded to cope with 2 ten-minute cameos per month. Christmas he's off. By the time January hits he's really raring to go... available for full substitute selection but can only do 45 minutes once a week and only away from home in the county of Lancashire and only mid-week. Get Easter out of the way and by the beginning of May he's eligible to be considered as a starter. As long as we make the playoffs this lad could fire us to the Premier League. Be patient until then. Hope he isn't one of your favourite players. |  | | |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 12:26 - Aug 18 with 1334 views | WatfordR |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 10:38 - Aug 18 by Hunterhoop |
I like the look of Vale. Looks to have some class about him. I could see him in a midfield 3 with Field and Varane. I think that might work. I would speculate he might already be the progressive passer of the ball in the club.
However, he is coming back from a serious injury. I think they are worried about how much he plays. He also looks a tad slow.
I would like to see him given a chance there, with Chair going back out to the left, just to see how it works. |
I'm assuming that would be in a 433. I've been wondering whether we might be better suited to 352.
If JS is looking to get the full backs high up and attacking, and given we don't have great pace amongst our centre backs (outside of Mbengue), it seems to me that extra CB might work better.
The argument against is that the 4231 or 433 seems to be the club's preferred formation. |  | | |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 13:41 - Aug 18 with 1063 views | Ghost_on_the_Westway |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 11:12 - Aug 18 by nick_hammersmith |
For context Super Ray was in the twilight of his career. Was looking after his conditioning and had played at top clubs like AC Milan, Man Utd as well as captaining for England.
As a player he was more like Gerrard or Lampard. At QPR he was allowed to run the midfield, as we had players like Barker or Holloway to do his running for him. That team was also innovative for having very attacking fullbacks who covered all the wings in a way this team hasn't done since.
Although I do think Vale has a great eye for a pass at the moment he's closer to Tom Carroll than Super Ray |
Christ, Nick
No offence, mate, but comparing Ray Wilkins with those two trap a ball further than I could kick it, flat-track bullies?
Wash you keyboard out! |  |
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| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 13:45 - Aug 18 with 1029 views | numptydumpty |
Chelsea Academy Players of the Year Awards:
Year Winner
2015 Dominic Solanke
2016 Fikayo Tomori
2017 Mason Mount
2018 Reece James
2019 Conor Gallagher
2020 Billy Gilmour
2021 Tino Livramento
2022 Harvey Vale
2023 Lewis Hall
2024 Alfie Gilchrist
Appreciate it's the Chelsea list but to achieve young player of the year at Chelsea, generally you could say you have a fighters chance of making it to a considerably higher level in the professional game.
Think Vale could surprise and be along the lines of the success that Kieran Morgan has surprised us all by.
Think Harvey could progress nicely, all being well... [Post edited 18 Aug 13:46]
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| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 13:59 - Aug 18 with 974 views | Rsole |
It’s the complete opposite of a Big ‘Hairy’ Audacious Goal if Vale succeeds. | |
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| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 14:20 - Aug 18 with 910 views | francisbowles |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 12:26 - Aug 18 by WatfordR |
I'm assuming that would be in a 433. I've been wondering whether we might be better suited to 352.
If JS is looking to get the full backs high up and attacking, and given we don't have great pace amongst our centre backs (outside of Mbengue), it seems to me that extra CB might work better.
The argument against is that the 4231 or 433 seems to be the club's preferred formation. |
......and that we have lots of wingers, who wouldn't fit a 3-5-2. | | | |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 14:26 - Aug 18 with 876 views | wombat |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 14:20 - Aug 18 by francisbowles |
......and that we have lots of wingers, who wouldn't fit a 3-5-2. |
this is and is once again the issue of buying players who can pretty much only play a certain formation , if that AI source formation dosnt work then you are fairly welll fecked , maybe when our plan A settles down with injuires allowing for a. week or two we can maybe have a look at plan b , Hopefully its a plan ?B. when celar coming on isnt anywhere part of it . |  |
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| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 15:31 - Aug 18 with 703 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 13:41 - Aug 18 by Ghost_on_the_Westway |
Christ, Nick
No offence, mate, but comparing Ray Wilkins with those two trap a ball further than I could kick it, flat-track bullies?
Wash you keyboard out! |
I withdraw my post. Trying to "work" I didn't read Johns post properly either... | | | |
| Harvey Vale: The answer to our problems? on 16:39 - Aug 18 with 540 views | LazyFan |
He's not an LB or LWB, the game against Plymouth where a 17-year-old tore him apart proved that.
I suspect his position is AMC so, a number 10. And we have plenty of those. We saw this with Plymouth as well, where his attacking capability led to the 2nd goal.
What he gives us, is that we can get rid of Madders and bring in a DMC and not feel the squad loss in terms of position at least anyway. |  |
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