| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… 21:18 - Aug 23 with 5191 views | HammersmithR |
We had our ups and downs with him. But importantly we moved forward with him as our coach. There was no reason to sack him. He stood up to the board who wanted a ‘yes’ man in charge. They’ve now got their man in Stephan who’s about as inspiring as a wet weekend in Blackpool in February. He’s another Critchley. I’m sure he’s a nice bloke. I’m sure he’s got pedigree but there are some people who are simply not the right fit for Queen’s Park Rangers. I know it’s been 4 games, but you can tell the bloke is just not going to connect with the fans. He’s somehow hoodwinked the board in his interview for the job. It makes you worry how bad the other candidates were. But we have gone from a solid side under Marti to an utter shambles under this bloke. Last week was bad, but today was on another level. I’ve seen us lose a lot of times, but today we were gutless and all the players lacked the bottle to play for Queen’s Park Rangers. Some of them are simply not good enough. Stephan is simply a yes man to Nourry. The consistency to keep playing Walsh because of the contract situation only confirms it. Nardi is not great but my word he’s a lot better than the bag of nerves in Walsh. If Stephan doesn’t grow a pair he’ll be gone by the Autumn and it might show the board that Nourry is not the man for the ‘project’. Absolutely gutted by today and what we had to witness. That performance was an utter disgrace to our club. |  | | |  |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 11:14 - Aug 24 with 1467 views | GosportHoops |
Beale IN |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 11:14 - Aug 24 with 1467 views | kernowhoop |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 09:05 - Aug 24 by 1BobbyHazell |
I watched the Leicester game. Wanted to check out Kelman and Marti.
To be fair to you Pricey, Charlton completely dominated Leicester. Their press was ferocious and watching Leicester TRYING to play out from the back was a familiar sight. They only won because of a moment of individual brilliance from Fatawu who they have already had £30 mill offers from the Prem for.
Pains me to say Marti was thoroughly outcoached by Nathan Jones.
If Charlton are even half as 'on it' against us we are in big trouble next week. |
But, didn't Leicester's goal come from playing out from the back? | | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 11:20 - Aug 24 with 1440 views | baz_qpr |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 11:14 - Aug 24 by kernowhoop |
But, didn't Leicester's goal come from playing out from the back? |
Leicester played exactly how we started last season, same patterns etc, only difference was they had the players to get away with it, and Charlton had very little going forward, and what they did get came from Leicester giving the ball away when failing to beat the Charlton press |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 11:40 - Aug 24 with 1358 views | mart_Goblin |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 09:21 - Aug 24 by Hunterhoop |
Marti did a good job at QPR. Not at outstanding one, but a good one. He had his faults but he parred the course last season when you look our playing budget and where we finished. The season he kept us up after Ainsworth, his PPG would have had us 9th on 66 points or something. That’s pretty decent with that squad!
But let’s move on.
The issue is not Marti (or Stephan).
The issue is Nourry and Ben Williams. They run the club. They run the playing side of the club. They run so much more than people seem to appreciate. Stephan is working with fitness levels Williams gives him, and the players he hasn’t injured. And he is following Nourry’s game model. He is simply coaching the first team it. He’s bibs, balls, and cones, as Clive said.
My worry is the players aren’t having Stephan because they don’t like Nourry and detest Williams, and don’t respect him for not doing more than just doing what Nourry says.
It feels like some of the senior pros are checked out. Either that or they are simply nowhere near physically ready. |
I have to say one of the most depressing / upsetting / infuriating things to take from yesterday was the performance and body language of the more senior players in the squad .
I thought Jimmy (unfit or otherwise , Cook (unfit or otherwise, Sam Field especially were not just horrendous in the way they played but their body language was shocking throughout . There were other terrible performances, Morgan , Dembele and Morrison to name but 3, but I didn’t see the senior players at any point try to help , encourage even b*llock any of the youngsters out there .
There was nothing from them and that is a huge huge concern . |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 11:48 - Aug 24 with 1340 views | DannytheR |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 11:40 - Aug 24 by mart_Goblin |
I have to say one of the most depressing / upsetting / infuriating things to take from yesterday was the performance and body language of the more senior players in the squad .
I thought Jimmy (unfit or otherwise , Cook (unfit or otherwise, Sam Field especially were not just horrendous in the way they played but their body language was shocking throughout . There were other terrible performances, Morgan , Dembele and Morrison to name but 3, but I didn’t see the senior players at any point try to help , encourage even b*llock any of the youngsters out there .
There was nothing from them and that is a huge huge concern . |
Others know a lot more than me about how this might play out at the training ground etc, but it all just smacks of an entire club culture of back covering and avoiding responsibility, which comes from the top and filters down.
We have owners who are never around, and who in their absence have set up an entire structure to insulate them from the actual fans. Hoos has now done the same with Nourry, who then in turn has devoted massive amounts of energy to a set-up where he himself avoids as much accountability as possible (unless by some freaky chance we've actually won a game).
However shiny the training ground might be, how could the message to the players be anything *but* bank your contract and look after number one? Who at any senior level of the club is telling them to do anything else? [Post edited 24 Aug 11:49]
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| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 11:52 - Aug 24 with 1316 views | mart_Goblin |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 11:48 - Aug 24 by DannytheR |
Others know a lot more than me about how this might play out at the training ground etc, but it all just smacks of an entire club culture of back covering and avoiding responsibility, which comes from the top and filters down.
We have owners who are never around, and who in their absence have set up an entire structure to insulate them from the actual fans. Hoos has now done the same with Nourry, who then in turn has devoted massive amounts of energy to a set-up where he himself avoids as much accountability as possible (unless by some freaky chance we've actually won a game).
However shiny the training ground might be, how could the message to the players be anything *but* bank your contract and look after number one? Who at any senior level of the club is telling them to do anything else? [Post edited 24 Aug 11:49]
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| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 12:02 - Aug 24 with 1294 views | goodlife |
We had a perfectly good manager in Marti, agree, the best manager out there willing to work with this lot, I have followed him since Sandefjord, always prepared for training and match, catching the interest of better Clubs of course, Hammarby, Qpr, and Leicester, do anyone think that Leicester would go for a Stephan? Marti managed this thin injured squad to stay competive, and survive, no chance with this Frenchs clown in charge. Hope I am wrong! |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 12:03 - Aug 24 with 1288 views | Northolt_Rs |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 06:51 - Aug 24 by priceyparkrangers |
This isn’t about our result - this is about whether Marti is a good manager or not, and whether that’s even relevant as the guy clearly wanted to go
Charlton had 8 shots on target yesterday, Leicester had 2
Coventry had 8 shots on target, we had 2
The difference in result was 0-1 and a 7-1 - you could argue Leicester got away with a poor performance that’s all I’m saying |
“The difference in result was 0-1 and a 7-1” That’s a pretty spectacular difference though, right? |  |
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| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 14:35 - Aug 24 with 1186 views | goodlife |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 12:03 - Aug 24 by Northolt_Rs |
“The difference in result was 0-1 and a 7-1” That’s a pretty spectacular difference though, right? |
The difference between a well organised team and what we saw yesterday | | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 15:30 - Aug 24 with 1116 views | francisbowles |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 11:40 - Aug 24 by mart_Goblin |
I have to say one of the most depressing / upsetting / infuriating things to take from yesterday was the performance and body language of the more senior players in the squad .
I thought Jimmy (unfit or otherwise , Cook (unfit or otherwise, Sam Field especially were not just horrendous in the way they played but their body language was shocking throughout . There were other terrible performances, Morgan , Dembele and Morrison to name but 3, but I didn’t see the senior players at any point try to help , encourage even b*llock any of the youngsters out there .
There was nothing from them and that is a huge huge concern . |
I think you are right to an extent. However, on the stream I think I saw Cook have a go at Dembele after he KD lost the ball in his own half which led to the third going in off SC. I don't think it would have helped anyone to have a go at Morgan after his mad moment. He knew it was horrendous as soon as he played the ball.
Someone should have had a go at JV though, very early in the game, whilst we were attempting to play out, he repeatedly kept knocking the ball straight back to Walsh, thereby increasing the pressure on him, not to mention his nervousness. | | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 17:27 - Aug 24 with 987 views | mart_Goblin |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 15:30 - Aug 24 by francisbowles |
I think you are right to an extent. However, on the stream I think I saw Cook have a go at Dembele after he KD lost the ball in his own half which led to the third going in off SC. I don't think it would have helped anyone to have a go at Morgan after his mad moment. He knew it was horrendous as soon as he played the ball.
Someone should have had a go at JV though, very early in the game, whilst we were attempting to play out, he repeatedly kept knocking the ball straight back to Walsh, thereby increasing the pressure on him, not to mention his nervousness. |
Did you see anyone put their arm around Morgan after that error ?
Did you see anyone showing any sort of emotion after the Morgan goal last week ?
It goes and on . Did you see Cook put an arm around Varane after his sending off and Blackburn last year ?
Just showing examples of where leadership helps young players through tough times.
It’s been lacking for a long time and yesterday was a disgrace in that regard .
Ok so Cook had a go at Dembele .
We need so much more from him , Dunne and Field.
So much more !
All 3 were lucky they weren’t hooked at half time themselves .
They were awol yesterday and that’s not acceptable . | | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 17:40 - Aug 24 with 939 views | flynnbo |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 15:30 - Aug 24 by francisbowles |
I think you are right to an extent. However, on the stream I think I saw Cook have a go at Dembele after he KD lost the ball in his own half which led to the third going in off SC. I don't think it would have helped anyone to have a go at Morgan after his mad moment. He knew it was horrendous as soon as he played the ball.
Someone should have had a go at JV though, very early in the game, whilst we were attempting to play out, he repeatedly kept knocking the ball straight back to Walsh, thereby increasing the pressure on him, not to mention his nervousness. |
He did, it was right in line with where I was sitting. |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 18:43 - Aug 24 with 852 views | QPunkR |
I'm sure on the stream I saw Cook remonstrating with Dembélé for not tracking his man for the first goal, but it came across as more of a whingey, whiney flapping of arms than a proper digging out that was required |  |
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| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 19:05 - Aug 24 with 819 views | johncharles |
Treat people like shit they’ll play like shit. A lot good, decent players in there who see their careers going down the pan ………
Nourry OUT ! |  |
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| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 19:31 - Aug 24 with 750 views | JimmyR |
Yeah except he didn’t want to do what douggie howser told him
He wanted to win some games | | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 00:44 - Aug 25 with 574 views | Northernr |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 09:50 - Aug 24 by robith |
"Marti didn't want to be here"
Yeah.........why was that???? |
We're so close here, guys. So close.
Why did he not want to be here...
Come on. Tap it in. |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 00:51 - Aug 25 with 544 views | eastside_r |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 00:44 - Aug 25 by Northernr |
We're so close here, guys. So close.
Why did he not want to be here...
Come on. Tap it in. |
Well I’ve surmised for a long time that Nourry was not letting him do the job he wanted to. Perhaps constant interference in things Marti thought were his to decide alone, as the Head Coach.
But hey ho, I’m sure there will be someone around to offer an alternative view. |  | | |
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