| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… 21:18 - Aug 23 with 3496 views | HammersmithR |
We had our ups and downs with him. But importantly we moved forward with him as our coach. There was no reason to sack him. He stood up to the board who wanted a ‘yes’ man in charge. They’ve now got their man in Stephan who’s about as inspiring as a wet weekend in Blackpool in February. He’s another Critchley. I’m sure he’s a nice bloke. I’m sure he’s got pedigree but there are some people who are simply not the right fit for Queen’s Park Rangers. I know it’s been 4 games, but you can tell the bloke is just not going to connect with the fans. He’s somehow hoodwinked the board in his interview for the job. It makes you worry how bad the other candidates were. But we have gone from a solid side under Marti to an utter shambles under this bloke. Last week was bad, but today was on another level. I’ve seen us lose a lot of times, but today we were gutless and all the players lacked the bottle to play for Queen’s Park Rangers. Some of them are simply not good enough. Stephan is simply a yes man to Nourry. The consistency to keep playing Walsh because of the contract situation only confirms it. Nardi is not great but my word he’s a lot better than the bag of nerves in Walsh. If Stephan doesn’t grow a pair he’ll be gone by the Autumn and it might show the board that Nourry is not the man for the ‘project’. Absolutely gutted by today and what we had to witness. That performance was an utter disgrace to our club. |  | | |  |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 21:21 - Aug 23 with 2557 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
Agree. This was always going to be a huge risk as Marti covered over a lot of of deficiencies. Complete and total arrogance from Nourry to assume / believe he could replace him without us missing a beat. |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 21:38 - Aug 23 with 2423 views | daveB |
I read he was rubbish and holding us back, are you suggesting ive been lied to |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 21:41 - Aug 23 with 2397 views | priceyparkrangers |
Marti didn’t want to be here and tbh he’s not exactly pulling up trees with a much better team at Leicester. They won 1-0 today with only one shot on target. | | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 21:44 - Aug 23 with 2354 views | BushRanger82 |
Anybody would think that Marti had us as high as 6th, and in contention for the play-offs, during his tenure.
Yes, Marti was a tad better than Julien, but he wasn't that great, that we didn't need to improve on him, if we could. |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 21:45 - Aug 23 with 2342 views | Bluce_Ree |
I was gutted when Marti left and was waiting for the relegation odds to put money on us. I didn't bother but it was 3/1 on us going down. It's now 15/8. |  |
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| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 21:45 - Aug 23 with 2343 views | daveB |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 21:41 - Aug 23 by priceyparkrangers |
Marti didn’t want to be here and tbh he’s not exactly pulling up trees with a much better team at Leicester. They won 1-0 today with only one shot on target. |
that sounds shit, losing 7-1 is far better | | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 22:01 - Aug 23 with 2221 views | NorrisGreen |
Marti is and was a chump and a phoney. Look at his record, it's garbage.
But that's absolutely irrelevant in terms of this season. We need to address the corporate obsession with "data" that's delivering us shite football, shite footballers and clueless foreign managers.
The glaring hole in Nouury's masterplan is fact that all these bright young prospects will be brought up as as losing pussy-footballers with no idea how to win a game of football. They will be shell-shocked PTSD zombies fit only for the scrapheap in 3 years.
The whole concept of growing and nurturing footballers is underpinned by playing them in an attractive winning team. We are massively failing on that front. | | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 22:09 - Aug 23 with 2155 views | Loyalitat |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 21:41 - Aug 23 by priceyparkrangers |
Marti didn’t want to be here and tbh he’s not exactly pulling up trees with a much better team at Leicester. They won 1-0 today with only one shot on target. |
Admittedly so, but you're also being disrespectful to our next opponent: Charlton, who look well organised and unlike us, appear to be in peak physical condition to coincide with the start of the season and as such, acquitted themselves well against Leicester today.
They won't flag, physically, next week and have added some championship-experienced pros alongside some potentially good players from league one, with a coach who knows how to navigate this division: both lower and upper reaches of the table. [Post edited 23 Aug 22:22]
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| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 22:12 - Aug 23 with 2133 views | Myke |
You are over-looking the fact that Marti didn't want to be here. I was hugely disappointed we didn't make a serious attempt to keep Kelman, but have come around to concept that he simply did not want to stay.
I agree that Stephan is not the answer and never thought he would last the season. Rohl is the man we should have pursued and we would have got him (eventually) and he would have been worth waiting for. | | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 22:18 - Aug 23 with 2091 views | colinallcars |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 22:09 - Aug 23 by Loyalitat |
Admittedly so, but you're also being disrespectful to our next opponent: Charlton, who look well organised and unlike us, appear to be in peak physical condition to coincide with the start of the season and as such, acquitted themselves well against Leicester today.
They won't flag, physically, next week and have added some championship-experienced pros alongside some potentially good players from league one, with a coach who knows how to navigate this division: both lower and upper reaches of the table. [Post edited 23 Aug 22:22]
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Well, that's cheered me up |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 22:20 - Aug 23 with 2018 views | stainrods_elbow |
I don't think we made any great strides with Marti, and while calling him a 'chump' and a 'phoney' may or may not be a tad harsh, it was, as the OP himself begins by saying, a manic-depressive ride, where he was continuously digging holes for the team and then getting excessive credit for filling them in again.
I'm far from sold on Julien (or anything hapenning behind the scenes right now), but let's throw him a bone at least and see where we are in October/November before putting his head on the guillotine. Big worries at GK, CD, and CM right now, however, as well as an apparent shocking lack of fitness from front to back. |  |
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| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 22:23 - Aug 23 with 2027 views | strikerace |
I think we are in the process of realizing how good Marti was, he covered up a lot of issues. He's a good manager, and of course he got disgusted with how things were being handled (or not handled). Any good manager would have done the same | | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 22:23 - Aug 23 with 2027 views | PunteR |
The Marti ship sailed a long time ago. Time to move on.
We've got serious problems though.
Hopefully our billionaire owners are not as thick as they make out.
Nourry out. |  |
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| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 22:30 - Aug 23 with 1967 views | HotCurrie |
Much as I liked Marti and was disappointed to see him go, I think even peak Brian Clough or Alex Ferguson would struggle if their team were deliberately unfit at the start of the season. We’re basically giving away the first 10 games so that we can be strong in the last 10 games. But we might be down by then so how is this helping us? |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 23:49 - Aug 23 with 1767 views | Ranger_1969 |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 21:41 - Aug 23 by priceyparkrangers |
Marti didn’t want to be here and tbh he’s not exactly pulling up trees with a much better team at Leicester. They won 1-0 today with only one shot on target. |
And we're doing much better without him are we? | | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 02:22 - Aug 24 with 1618 views | numptydumpty |
Nourry didn't like Marti. But Marti was the key for us. They should have gone all out to back him.
We had perfectly good managers in Warnock and Warburton also but they were passed over too.
Fernandes got rid of Warnock to get Hughes in for a project that he liked.
Warburton said to Les the youth wasn't good enough to play, hence he left.
The pattern is the three best managers here in the last twenty years all moved on, because they told the hierarchy they wanted to do it their way, and the men at the top said no.....
There was no logic in getting rid of any of them. [Post edited 24 Aug 2:23]
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| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 03:37 - Aug 24 with 1552 views | FredManRave |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 21:45 - Aug 23 by daveB |
that sounds shit, losing 7-1 is far better |
Dave, I'd usually expect you to be apoplectic after a, once in a 3month performance, like today, but it would appear that whoever said, "The drugs don't work" was wrong, allegedly.
fwiw, I agree with the sentiment of sarcasm and supposedly putting this result into the scheme of things, but that's easy for me to say, as I didn't go to the game and have to personally suffer and pay for that humiliation.
On behalf of a friend, I know how you could have got similar suffering and humiliation for just 20quid. |  |
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| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 03:42 - Aug 24 with 1548 views | FredManRave |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 22:23 - Aug 23 by PunteR |
The Marti ship sailed a long time ago. Time to move on.
We've got serious problems though.
Hopefully our billionaire owners are not as thick as they make out.
Nourry out. |
Wait. What. An upvote from loftgirl?!
Just when I thought today couldn't get any crazier!
Ours is not to reason why. | |
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| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 06:51 - Aug 24 with 1412 views | priceyparkrangers |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 21:45 - Aug 23 by daveB |
that sounds shit, losing 7-1 is far better |
This isn’t about our result - this is about whether Marti is a good manager or not, and whether that’s even relevant as the guy clearly wanted to go
Charlton had 8 shots on target yesterday, Leicester had 2
Coventry had 8 shots on target, we had 2
The difference in result was 0-1 and a 7-1 - you could argue Leicester got away with a poor performance that’s all I’m saying | | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 09:05 - Aug 24 with 1214 views | 1BobbyHazell |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 06:51 - Aug 24 by priceyparkrangers |
This isn’t about our result - this is about whether Marti is a good manager or not, and whether that’s even relevant as the guy clearly wanted to go
Charlton had 8 shots on target yesterday, Leicester had 2
Coventry had 8 shots on target, we had 2
The difference in result was 0-1 and a 7-1 - you could argue Leicester got away with a poor performance that’s all I’m saying |
I watched the Leicester game. Wanted to check out Kelman and Marti.
To be fair to you Pricey, Charlton completely dominated Leicester. Their press was ferocious and watching Leicester TRYING to play out from the back was a familiar sight. They only won because of a moment of individual brilliance from Fatawu who they have already had £30 mill offers from the Prem for.
Pains me to say Marti was thoroughly outcoached by Nathan Jones.
If Charlton are even half as 'on it' against us we are in big trouble next week. |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 09:09 - Aug 24 with 1191 views | eastside_r |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 22:01 - Aug 23 by NorrisGreen |
Marti is and was a chump and a phoney. Look at his record, it's garbage.
But that's absolutely irrelevant in terms of this season. We need to address the corporate obsession with "data" that's delivering us shite football, shite footballers and clueless foreign managers.
The glaring hole in Nouury's masterplan is fact that all these bright young prospects will be brought up as as losing pussy-footballers with no idea how to win a game of football. They will be shell-shocked PTSD zombies fit only for the scrapheap in 3 years.
The whole concept of growing and nurturing footballers is underpinned by playing them in an attractive winning team. We are massively failing on that front. |
Accidentally upvoted this, meant to downvote it. Dig at MC - absolute bollocks. |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 09:21 - Aug 24 with 1099 views | Hunterhoop |
Marti did a good job at QPR. Not at outstanding one, but a good one. He had his faults but he parred the course last season when you look our playing budget and where we finished. The season he kept us up after Ainsworth, his PPG would have had us 9th on 66 points or something. That’s pretty decent with that squad!
But let’s move on.
The issue is not Marti (or Stephan).
The issue is Nourry and Ben Williams. They run the club. They run the playing side of the club. They run so much more than people seem to appreciate. Stephan is working with fitness levels Williams gives him, and the players he hasn’t injured. And he is following Nourry’s game model. He is simply coaching the first team it. He’s bibs, balls, and cones, as Clive said.
My worry is the players aren’t having Stephan because they don’t like Nourry and detest Williams, and don’t respect him for not doing more than just doing what Nourry says.
It feels like some of the senior pros are checked out. Either that or they are simply nowhere near physically ready. |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 09:40 - Aug 24 with 1020 views | Toast_R |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 09:21 - Aug 24 by Hunterhoop |
Marti did a good job at QPR. Not at outstanding one, but a good one. He had his faults but he parred the course last season when you look our playing budget and where we finished. The season he kept us up after Ainsworth, his PPG would have had us 9th on 66 points or something. That’s pretty decent with that squad!
But let’s move on.
The issue is not Marti (or Stephan).
The issue is Nourry and Ben Williams. They run the club. They run the playing side of the club. They run so much more than people seem to appreciate. Stephan is working with fitness levels Williams gives him, and the players he hasn’t injured. And he is following Nourry’s game model. He is simply coaching the first team it. He’s bibs, balls, and cones, as Clive said.
My worry is the players aren’t having Stephan because they don’t like Nourry and detest Williams, and don’t respect him for not doing more than just doing what Nourry says.
It feels like some of the senior pros are checked out. Either that or they are simply nowhere near physically ready. |
It looked like they'd been on the razz Friday night and didn't go to bed. |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 09:50 - Aug 24 with 965 views | robith |
"Marti didn't want to be here"
Yeah.........why was that???? |  | | |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 10:40 - Aug 24 with 755 views | Stainrod |
| We had a perfectly good manager in Marti… on 09:21 - Aug 24 by Hunterhoop |
Marti did a good job at QPR. Not at outstanding one, but a good one. He had his faults but he parred the course last season when you look our playing budget and where we finished. The season he kept us up after Ainsworth, his PPG would have had us 9th on 66 points or something. That’s pretty decent with that squad!
But let’s move on.
The issue is not Marti (or Stephan).
The issue is Nourry and Ben Williams. They run the club. They run the playing side of the club. They run so much more than people seem to appreciate. Stephan is working with fitness levels Williams gives him, and the players he hasn’t injured. And he is following Nourry’s game model. He is simply coaching the first team it. He’s bibs, balls, and cones, as Clive said.
My worry is the players aren’t having Stephan because they don’t like Nourry and detest Williams, and don’t respect him for not doing more than just doing what Nourry says.
It feels like some of the senior pros are checked out. Either that or they are simply nowhere near physically ready. |
Agreed on Marti.
Tho despite being more positive about Nourry than you generally, in that particular respect I thought from the get go that Nourry had to take some of the blame for losing a manger who can par the course. What we would give for par now!
Rest of it I take your points apart from the bibs and cones bit - that’s glib IMHO. He is (as far as we know) the guy who selects the team, runs training, briefs the team on the opposition, gives the motivational pre match talk, the half time talk, makes subs and other tactical changes in play.
I get people are furious with the set up (and I can’t defend the whole fitness issue either) but you can’t lay 100% of the blame for that shambles on any one individual, be that Nourry, Stephan or individual players. Has Sam Field become terrible overnight? Is he unfit? Does he hate Nourry? None of us know and we shouldn’t impose one narrative to explain every event when none of us have such insights.
I fully accept this doesn’t look good for Nourry - I made the point when he ousted Marti that the spotlight would shine on him very quickly if the new guy doesn’t work because the managerial change is, to a significant extent, on him. So it has proved, earlier than probably any of us could have imagined.
But equally let’s not overstate it. Clive is among those who acknowledge there is no alternative to the transfer strategy and he has largely complained about the comms rather than the substance.
Perhaps I’m clutching at straws but the one positive I take on Nourry is he seems to learn from his mistakes. First summer transfer window was a disaster, this one appears to have been on the right lines (of course we will only know that for sure many months in).
Maybe he will give the coach the added authority he needs (though please not on transfers - we saw where that lead with Beale and Warbs among many others).
He also acknowledged at the fans forum that the hardest part of his job is balancing short term v long term goals. Maybe he will now realise it’s time for a bit of pragmatism, not least getting players fit! But let us not throw the baby out with the bath water because we are all p@ssed off. For example, I actually really like the look of Esquire (young Brazilian left back). We need some cover but let’s persist with him even if he makes some mistakes. Besides, we did drop Madsen and go 3 in midfield which was a pragmatic response to Watford yet we were even worse.
A lot is wrong and it would be dumb to deny that. But the solutions are harder to find, as you see from all the wildly different ones offered here (some fans even suggesting we should ignore data, for example).
Nourry is a slightly odd and mercurial character: no idea what he will do.
But what I HOPE he does is:
call in all the players, Williams, Stephan etc and ask them to speak frankly about what is going wrong
if fitness is identified as a key issue (and that along with motivation is what assaults my eye the most) either get Williams to review what he is doing or replace him with someone with a good track record in football.
Not claiming that is the whole picture but this one aspect. | | | |
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