| The Reform Party Conference 21:32 - Sep 5 with 8594 views | Gwyn737 |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 18:17 - Sep 16 with 1261 views | max936 |
| The Reform Party Conference on 13:52 - Sep 16 by builthjack |
Can someone explain how Nigel is going to let me be tax free on the first 25k of my earnings.
Also how is he going to cut fuel duty by 20p per litre.
That's what he told people in Builth back in July.
Lies I would say. |
He's great at telling people what they want to know, but there's no substance to backup his words. |  |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 18:38 - Sep 16 with 1224 views | pete |
| The Reform Party Conference on 18:11 - Sep 16 by max936 |
Farage is a grifter he always has been a talking horse with the little to no substance, he'll tell anyone that listens what's wrong, but doesn't give many answers and those he does answer he has no idea on how to pay for his "solutions".
I can't stand the bloke either, but then I can't stand this Labour party of the previous Tory lot.
I've no idea on who this country can turn to, to turn politics in this country around, those there now are there for their own ends and ego's, Tories were the same. |
pity we cannot get the BEST people from each party and not jobs for the boys and girls NEVER happen but thats what is needed | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 19:05 - Sep 16 with 1184 views | ItchySphincter |
| The Reform Party Conference on 13:52 - Sep 16 by builthjack |
Can someone explain how Nigel is going to let me be tax free on the first 25k of my earnings.
Also how is he going to cut fuel duty by 20p per litre.
That's what he told people in Builth back in July.
Lies I would say. |
Grifters gonna grift. |  |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 19:39 - Sep 16 with 1142 views | onehunglow |
And this thread typifies our problem
Class war
Labour for Life voters
Insouciant Tories
Plaid just posh/ English/ haters
Greens , God bless em
Now Reform who are going to do what Trump promised but failed
Meanwhile, we suck it up and turn on each other
Opinions eh | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 21:51 - Sep 16 with 1075 views | jack_lord |
| The Reform Party Conference on 19:39 - Sep 16 by onehunglow |
And this thread typifies our problem
Class war
Labour for Life voters
Insouciant Tories
Plaid just posh/ English/ haters
Greens , God bless em
Now Reform who are going to do what Trump promised but failed
Meanwhile, we suck it up and turn on each other
Opinions eh |
First past the post
Lies
Social media
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| The Reform Party Conference on 22:01 - Sep 16 with 1043 views | builthjack |
| The Reform Party Conference on 18:17 - Sep 16 by max936 |
He's great at telling people what they want to know, but there's no substance to backup his words. |
He was questioned about it by an accountant friend of mine, twice.
But he changed the subject both times.
My accountant friend said those two things would cost the country £120 billion.
The blokes a bloody lunatic. Trump Mk 2. |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| The Reform Party Conference on 22:15 - Sep 16 with 1001 views | Whiterockin |
| The Reform Party Conference on 22:01 - Sep 16 by builthjack |
He was questioned about it by an accountant friend of mine, twice.
But he changed the subject both times.
My accountant friend said those two things would cost the country £120 billion.
The blokes a bloody lunatic. Trump Mk 2. |
It doesn't say much for the other parties if a lunatic is hammering them into the polls. Labour in particular are dead and buried, as were the Conservatives at the last election. |  | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 22:22 - Sep 16 with 989 views | majorraglan |
| The Reform Party Conference on 22:01 - Sep 16 by builthjack |
He was questioned about it by an accountant friend of mine, twice.
But he changed the subject both times.
My accountant friend said those two things would cost the country £120 billion.
The blokes a bloody lunatic. Trump Mk 2. |
The only way that could be afforded is massive cuts in public spending.
The 4 largest budgets are
1) State Benefits - pensions, universal credit, disability benefits etc. which amounts to 29% of total spending.
2) Health - this amounts to 20% of spending.
3) Debt repayments - this amounts to 10% of our current spending.
4) Education - 10% of our spending.
After that you’re into Defence etc.
I’d love the first £25k of my wages to be tax free, but it’s not going to happen. As someone that’s getting older, some kind of US model of insurance to access medical services could be a nightmare and would again likely target middle income earners as the rich wouldn’t be bothered and the very poor would get it via benefits. | | | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 22:27 - Sep 16 with 970 views | Whiterockin |
| The Reform Party Conference on 22:22 - Sep 16 by majorraglan |
The only way that could be afforded is massive cuts in public spending.
The 4 largest budgets are
1) State Benefits - pensions, universal credit, disability benefits etc. which amounts to 29% of total spending.
2) Health - this amounts to 20% of spending.
3) Debt repayments - this amounts to 10% of our current spending.
4) Education - 10% of our spending.
After that you’re into Defence etc.
I’d love the first £25k of my wages to be tax free, but it’s not going to happen. As someone that’s getting older, some kind of US model of insurance to access medical services could be a nightmare and would again likely target middle income earners as the rich wouldn’t be bothered and the very poor would get it via benefits. |
Or just stop illegal immigration. | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 22:43 - Sep 16 with 927 views | builthjack |
| The Reform Party Conference on 22:27 - Sep 16 by Whiterockin |
Or just stop illegal immigration. |
That costs 480m a year. One 24th of £120 billion.
As I said, the bloke is a lunatic. Can’t count. Lies like he’ll.
But people seem to like that. There is no hope. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| The Reform Party Conference on 23:03 - Sep 16 with 887 views | Boundy |
| The Reform Party Conference on 22:43 - Sep 16 by builthjack |
That costs 480m a year. One 24th of £120 billion.
As I said, the bloke is a lunatic. Can’t count. Lies like he’ll.
But people seem to like that. There is no hope. |
There's defiantly no hope if people think Labour are the answer. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 23:08 - Sep 16 with 878 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| The Reform Party Conference on 23:03 - Sep 16 by Boundy |
There's defiantly no hope if people think Labour are the answer. |
Labour are the answer as long as the question is “who are the biggest bunch of useless idiots in the country?” |  |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 23:12 - Sep 16 with 878 views | majorraglan |
| The Reform Party Conference on 22:27 - Sep 16 by Whiterockin |
Or just stop illegal immigration. |
Do you actually believe stopping illegal immigration will deliver the savings he’s looking for?
I’m all in favour of stopping it, but any savings it generates are not going to even come close to delivering the savings Farage needs to deliver the £25,000 tax free allowance and 20p per litre cut in fuel duty.
There are other figures out there that suggests the costs of illegal immigration is around £4bn, but it depends where you look and who you believe. If he’s doing to deliver what he’s talked about, he needs to either -
1) cut massive amounts from public spending and as per my previous post the main areas he can look at are welfare, pensions, disability, universal credit etc,
2) health - cut services or introduce an insurance based payment system or charge for appointments-
3) education -cut services
4) Not pay the interest on the national debt
Or a combination of all 4.
It’s not likely that he’ll be able to borrow the money as the sums are too large and we saw what happened which the Truss budget.
Illegal immigration ain’t gonna do it. [Post edited 16 Sep 23:22]
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| The Reform Party Conference on 23:18 - Sep 16 with 862 views | majorraglan |
| The Reform Party Conference on 23:03 - Sep 16 by Boundy |
There's defiantly no hope if people think Labour are the answer. |
I think we need some kind of coalition government which puts party politics second and the national interest first.
The Conservatives left us in a mess, it’s early days and they have 4 years to go, but Labour haven’t exactly set the world on fire and things are a mess and Farage is BSing us and telling us things he just can’t deliver on. | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 23:28 - Sep 16 with 845 views | max936 |
| The Reform Party Conference on 22:22 - Sep 16 by majorraglan |
The only way that could be afforded is massive cuts in public spending.
The 4 largest budgets are
1) State Benefits - pensions, universal credit, disability benefits etc. which amounts to 29% of total spending.
2) Health - this amounts to 20% of spending.
3) Debt repayments - this amounts to 10% of our current spending.
4) Education - 10% of our spending.
After that you’re into Defence etc.
I’d love the first £25k of my wages to be tax free, but it’s not going to happen. As someone that’s getting older, some kind of US model of insurance to access medical services could be a nightmare and would again likely target middle income earners as the rich wouldn’t be bothered and the very poor would get it via benefits. |
Like I said above the guy is a fraud, he knows what the people want to hear and he's playing the crowds, he's got no substance whatsoever god help us if him and his party get in, it's a shambles now and in fairness it's been a shambles for the last 16yrs, but its got worse over the last 5/6yrs, but it'll get much worse if Reform get in. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 23:33 - Sep 16 with 839 views | max936 |
| The Reform Party Conference on 23:03 - Sep 16 by Boundy |
There's defiantly no hope if people think Labour are the answer. |
The last 14/15 months proves that Starmer and his cronies aren't the answer, we're stuck between a rock and a hard place, I can't see any way out, unless there's a political overall in the country and get people in who know what the f they're doing and are not tucked away up in their ivory towers pruning their roses. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 01:26 - Sep 17 with 789 views | Robbie |
Farage getting Tory cast offs , Nadine Dorries getting on board his bandwagon is PR and he will lap it up and be headline news .
Disgruntled Conservative minnows changing side is an annoyance in the bigger picture .
Reform will get the voters onside irrelevant of any facts and figures economics of how to run a Countries finances , no forward planning or how we get out of the mess we are in .
Vote winner for Farage will be public concern for the small boats dilemma not resolved by any previous Party .
150k or 3 million , whatever report you read or believe is maybe public feeling these days .
Listen Starmer or maybe he drew the curtains at No. 10 and turned the tele off . | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 06:26 - Sep 17 with 678 views | AnotherJohn |
| The Reform Party Conference on 23:12 - Sep 16 by majorraglan |
Do you actually believe stopping illegal immigration will deliver the savings he’s looking for?
I’m all in favour of stopping it, but any savings it generates are not going to even come close to delivering the savings Farage needs to deliver the £25,000 tax free allowance and 20p per litre cut in fuel duty.
There are other figures out there that suggests the costs of illegal immigration is around £4bn, but it depends where you look and who you believe. If he’s doing to deliver what he’s talked about, he needs to either -
1) cut massive amounts from public spending and as per my previous post the main areas he can look at are welfare, pensions, disability, universal credit etc,
2) health - cut services or introduce an insurance based payment system or charge for appointments-
3) education -cut services
4) Not pay the interest on the national debt
Or a combination of all 4.
It’s not likely that he’ll be able to borrow the money as the sums are too large and we saw what happened which the Truss budget.
Illegal immigration ain’t gonna do it. [Post edited 16 Sep 23:22]
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I wonder though if the problem with immigration is wider than just what we spend in a given year on asylum seekers and persons recently granted refugee status. As I see things, there are wider negative impacts on the economy. These might include: static or falling per capita GDP, static per capita productivity, a preference of some companies for cheap imported labour over training or buying cutting-edge technology, central government planning that holds down training places in medicine and nursing because of an expectation that overseas professionals who other countries paid to train can be recruited, a perception among sections of the population that the arrival of low-skilled migrants means that Brits do not have to do certain kinds of jobs leading to a rising benefits bill. Then there are "externalities" in the sense of the security, criminal and civil justice, and prison costs that probably do not show up in most immigration cost estimates. | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 10:01 - Sep 17 with 584 views | Boundy |
| The Reform Party Conference on 23:12 - Sep 16 by majorraglan |
Do you actually believe stopping illegal immigration will deliver the savings he’s looking for?
I’m all in favour of stopping it, but any savings it generates are not going to even come close to delivering the savings Farage needs to deliver the £25,000 tax free allowance and 20p per litre cut in fuel duty.
There are other figures out there that suggests the costs of illegal immigration is around £4bn, but it depends where you look and who you believe. If he’s doing to deliver what he’s talked about, he needs to either -
1) cut massive amounts from public spending and as per my previous post the main areas he can look at are welfare, pensions, disability, universal credit etc,
2) health - cut services or introduce an insurance based payment system or charge for appointments-
3) education -cut services
4) Not pay the interest on the national debt
Or a combination of all 4.
It’s not likely that he’ll be able to borrow the money as the sums are too large and we saw what happened which the Truss budget.
Illegal immigration ain’t gonna do it. [Post edited 16 Sep 23:22]
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Lets do nothing then , you haven't mentioned the cessation of net zero as another means of saving a couple of quid ,maybe that's not worth doing either. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 21:23 - Sep 17 with 335 views | majorraglan |
| The Reform Party Conference on 10:01 - Sep 17 by Boundy |
Lets do nothing then , you haven't mentioned the cessation of net zero as another means of saving a couple of quid ,maybe that's not worth doing either. |
Where have I suggested we don’t do anything? Nowhere!
Net zero is interesting and the figures depend on who you want to listen to. Some say it’ll cost £120bn over 25 years and others say it will actually save that kind of money. My personal view is that we shouldn’t be slaves to net zero, but we should definitely be looking at diversifying our energy sources and to reduce our dependence on gas etc which is only going to increase in cost in future. What we need to do is build a tidy grid and have a system in place that doesn’t reward the owners of turbines for switching off their turbines etc.
If Reform want to deliver the £25k tax threshold and 20p per litre saving over the source of 1 Parliament, they are going to need to reduce about £100bn - 120bn from the public spending over a maximum of 5 years - if they want to do it quicker then it’ll be even more hard hitting. The net zero savings which average a maximum of about £5bn per year won’t come close to saving the £120bn over 5 years that Reform are looking at. The kind of savings I’m talking which are needed to deliver Reform are taking about can only be found by slashing expenditure in the big budget areas - pensions, sickness, PIP, universal credit etc, health and education. If they do that, then there’s a risk of alienating the electorate and wide scale disorder like we saw during the poll tax riots.
The £120bn over 25 years isn’t going to come close to what Reform need to cut out of the expenditure. [Post edited 17 Sep 22:14]
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