| The Reform Party Conference 21:32 - Sep 5 with 22924 views | Gwyn737 |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 08:47 - Sep 21 with 2234 views | onehunglow |
| The Reform Party Conference on 08:33 - Sep 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Fair enough, it’s not about Farage for me. I just struggle to understand how in this modern world we’ve arrived at the point where millions of people are practically demanding to be taxed more and see tax cuts as an innately terrible thing. |
Beats me too
More money in peoples pocket more spend which keeps shops going
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| The Reform Party Conference on 09:07 - Sep 21 with 2193 views | majorraglan |
| The Reform Party Conference on 08:33 - Sep 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Fair enough, it’s not about Farage for me. I just struggle to understand how in this modern world we’ve arrived at the point where millions of people are practically demanding to be taxed more and see tax cuts as an innately terrible thing. |
For me it’s about a compromise.
I don't mind paying a little extra money in tax, but that extra money I’m shelling out in tax has to be put to good to good use and by that I mean spent on public services that improve quality of life, for example the NHS, reduce waiting lists etc. I’m not happy about shelling out extra tax so that it’s spent on the feckless, idle, lazy, scroungers on benefits etc. Work has to pay and the burden has to be shared. We’ve got around 750,000 job vacancies in the U.K., but why is it a case that in my local petrol garage most of the staff are migrants? Won’t British people work there? I honestly believe there’s a huge amount of people out there who see work as being something below them.
In 2016 the U.K. spent £216bn on social security/ state benefits - in 2024/2025 that figure was £383bn or 30% of all government spending.
There was an article in quite a few of last weeks newspapers focussing on the Resolution Foundations’s report that had the U.K. economy continued to grow between 2005 and 2025 at the rate it did between 1995 and 2025 the average family would be £20k per year better off. That’s a massive amount of cash and had that been the case we could all afford a little less. [Post edited 21 Sep 9:33]
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| The Reform Party Conference on 09:17 - Sep 21 with 2162 views | trampie |
More money in rich peoples pockets means they bank it and don't spend it in the economy as they don't need it.
More money in pockets generally means no parks, public swimming pools, libraries and ultimately no nhs, no free education, road tolls, reduced benefits.
It just causes a bigger and bigger divide in society, more crime, more homeless, have and have not, the breakdown of any civilised society on the alter of greed, as a well known politician (that lost) once said a famous speech about don't grow old, don't get sick etc etc, a bloke that became US president was said to have actually stole the speech some years later.
People are selfish, some areas of the UK more so than others, yes England I'm looking at you. |  |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 10:30 - Sep 21 with 2031 views | trampie |
Those that identify as Welsh will not vote Reform, that is what the same expert as above apparently notes. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 10:35 - Sep 21 with 2035 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| The Reform Party Conference on 09:17 - Sep 21 by trampie |
More money in rich peoples pockets means they bank it and don't spend it in the economy as they don't need it.
More money in pockets generally means no parks, public swimming pools, libraries and ultimately no nhs, no free education, road tolls, reduced benefits.
It just causes a bigger and bigger divide in society, more crime, more homeless, have and have not, the breakdown of any civilised society on the alter of greed, as a well known politician (that lost) once said a famous speech about don't grow old, don't get sick etc etc, a bloke that became US president was said to have actually stole the speech some years later.
People are selfish, some areas of the UK more so than others, yes England I'm looking at you. |
The NHS, libraries, parks, education isn’t free though. We’ve been paying for them virtually every day of our lives.
And despite tax take flowing into the treasury and local councils being at a record high there’s still not enough money for them, which suggests the problem is with spending.
For example NPTC have recently unveiled an incredibly cunning plan which will cost many millions of taxpayers money to move a perfectly good functioning bus station which is within 5 seconds walk to the town centre a hundred yards down the road to the train station. Meanwhile local residents have faced numerous huge council tax rises.
We’re already paying through the nose for vital services yet these idiots in charge of the purse strings just keep spunking money up the wall on vanity projects that we don’t actually need or want. There should be much bigger scrutiny on how our money is spent. The wastage and corruption in the system is endemic they are just writing cheques left right and centre, often to themselves. |  |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 10:45 - Sep 21 with 1995 views | trampie |
| The Reform Party Conference on 10:35 - Sep 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The NHS, libraries, parks, education isn’t free though. We’ve been paying for them virtually every day of our lives.
And despite tax take flowing into the treasury and local councils being at a record high there’s still not enough money for them, which suggests the problem is with spending.
For example NPTC have recently unveiled an incredibly cunning plan which will cost many millions of taxpayers money to move a perfectly good functioning bus station which is within 5 seconds walk to the town centre a hundred yards down the road to the train station. Meanwhile local residents have faced numerous huge council tax rises.
We’re already paying through the nose for vital services yet these idiots in charge of the purse strings just keep spunking money up the wall on vanity projects that we don’t actually need or want. There should be much bigger scrutiny on how our money is spent. The wastage and corruption in the system is endemic they are just writing cheques left right and centre, often to themselves. |
If its at record high levels it's because of inflation (14 years of Tory rule in Westminster).
You hear these junior doctors our money is less than it was before 2008, well the way you are looking at it its not its more coin but because of inflation it means its less spending power but that is the same for nearly everybody and nearly every job, they clearly think they are a special case, but the point is more actual coin for those councils paid by the taxpayer but less money in real terms due to inflation I would guess.
Tories have always been bad for the economy don't believe the propaganda which would have you believe the other way around. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 11:24 - Sep 21 with 1947 views | Whiterockin |
Why is it the ones who aren't prepared to bust a gut and make sacrifices to generate wealth, want to tax the ones who do, to the hilt so they can have a better lifestyle. |  | | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 12:32 - Sep 21 with 1860 views | max936 |
| The Reform Party Conference on 09:07 - Sep 21 by majorraglan |
For me it’s about a compromise.
I don't mind paying a little extra money in tax, but that extra money I’m shelling out in tax has to be put to good to good use and by that I mean spent on public services that improve quality of life, for example the NHS, reduce waiting lists etc. I’m not happy about shelling out extra tax so that it’s spent on the feckless, idle, lazy, scroungers on benefits etc. Work has to pay and the burden has to be shared. We’ve got around 750,000 job vacancies in the U.K., but why is it a case that in my local petrol garage most of the staff are migrants? Won’t British people work there? I honestly believe there’s a huge amount of people out there who see work as being something below them.
In 2016 the U.K. spent £216bn on social security/ state benefits - in 2024/2025 that figure was £383bn or 30% of all government spending.
There was an article in quite a few of last weeks newspapers focussing on the Resolution Foundations’s report that had the U.K. economy continued to grow between 2005 and 2025 at the rate it did between 1995 and 2025 the average family would be £20k per year better off. That’s a massive amount of cash and had that been the case we could all afford a little less. [Post edited 21 Sep 9:33]
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"We’ve got around 750,000 job vacancies in the U.K., but why is it a case that in my local petrol garage most of the staff are migrants? Won’t British people work there? I honestly believe there’s a huge amount of people out there who see work as being something below them."
Stop the benefits or vastly reduce them, until they prove that they are actively looking for work/attended interviews et, etc.
I bet some are claiming as much as 2k or more a month by playing the system, they need to make it far more difficult for those playing the system and those who share on how to play the system we all know it goes on. |  |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 12:41 - Sep 21 with 1838 views | max936 |
| The Reform Party Conference on 07:02 - Sep 20 by majorraglan |
Quite a few bailing out of the Senedd, and a lot of them won’t be missed.
Jeremy Miles is the latest to announce he’s quitting. A mate of mine knows him quite well as they went to school together and they bump in to each other occasionally. My mate reckons he’s a rally tidy guy, intelligent, articulate, down to earth and plenty of experience in the real world having held down good jobs as a lawyer in London - the type of person we need in the bay. It’s a pity he lost out to Vaughan Gething as I reckon he’d have done a better job.
The existing Labour members of the Senedd have brought this on themselves and they’ll pay the price come next May.
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I hope we're not in for a shock with Dreadful and his pathetic fellow senedd cronies sneaking back in, when it comes to it, I suspect a lot of people with stick to what they've always done. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 13:04 - Sep 21 with 1787 views | trampie |
| The Reform Party Conference on 11:24 - Sep 21 by Whiterockin |
Why is it the ones who aren't prepared to bust a gut and make sacrifices to generate wealth, want to tax the ones who do, to the hilt so they can have a better lifestyle. |
You can't be taking about the lower classes as they are voting Reform, it must be the middle classes with a conscience but there again they pay their taxes. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 13:04 - Sep 21 with 1801 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Reform Party Conference on 08:33 - Sep 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Fair enough, it’s not about Farage for me. I just struggle to understand how in this modern world we’ve arrived at the point where millions of people are practically demanding to be taxed more and see tax cuts as an innately terrible thing. |
Because economically speaking it would be a disaster for the public services in this country.
We have a deficit to cut so the geovernment getting 160 billion less just adds to the deficit. We have a massive debt to cut and with interest payments rising too. If the deficit increases then the debt rises more quickly and I'm fairly sure you know that because you are definitely not thick.
Then there's something else I'm sure you know, the Senedd doesn't have the powers to do what Farage has promised in Wales. He'd need to win in Westminster and even then he'd have to do away with devolution because if he cut taxes across the Uk then the Senedd (unless reform are in charge here too) could raise taxes here.
Lower taxes are obviously better, as long as the country can afford that. | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 13:24 - Sep 21 with 1756 views | trampie |
| The Reform Party Conference on 13:04 - Sep 21 by SullutaCreturned |
Because economically speaking it would be a disaster for the public services in this country.
We have a deficit to cut so the geovernment getting 160 billion less just adds to the deficit. We have a massive debt to cut and with interest payments rising too. If the deficit increases then the debt rises more quickly and I'm fairly sure you know that because you are definitely not thick.
Then there's something else I'm sure you know, the Senedd doesn't have the powers to do what Farage has promised in Wales. He'd need to win in Westminster and even then he'd have to do away with devolution because if he cut taxes across the Uk then the Senedd (unless reform are in charge here too) could raise taxes here.
Lower taxes are obviously better, as long as the country can afford that. |
Lower taxes mean either worse services or no services at all. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 13:24 - Sep 21 with 1766 views | Dr_Winston |
Lower taxes don't necessarily mean a reduction in Government income, as demonstrated by the Laffer Curve. We've already seen that Labour's attempts at gouging have resulted in lower than expected receipts.
Strategically cutting certain taxes, especially around employment, energy and other areas could, probably would result in higher tax revenues.
Obviously you can't just rely on that though so cuts will have to be made. The Civil Service has increased in size by over 100,000 in the last ten years. That could stand to come down. AI will probably cover a lot of that. Likewise the welfare budget needs to be slashed, and we need to take a long, hard look at who we're paying, how much, for how long, and whether that is in line with other, similar countries. [Post edited 21 Sep 13:25]
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| The Reform Party Conference on 13:35 - Sep 21 with 1734 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Reform Party Conference on 13:24 - Sep 21 by Dr_Winston |
Lower taxes don't necessarily mean a reduction in Government income, as demonstrated by the Laffer Curve. We've already seen that Labour's attempts at gouging have resulted in lower than expected receipts.
Strategically cutting certain taxes, especially around employment, energy and other areas could, probably would result in higher tax revenues.
Obviously you can't just rely on that though so cuts will have to be made. The Civil Service has increased in size by over 100,000 in the last ten years. That could stand to come down. AI will probably cover a lot of that. Likewise the welfare budget needs to be slashed, and we need to take a long, hard look at who we're paying, how much, for how long, and whether that is in line with other, similar countries. [Post edited 21 Sep 13:25]
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The laffer curve posits that there is an optimal tax rate that maximises income. Cutting taxes as Farage suggests probably takes us to the wrong end of the curve.
There is a lot to be done in the Uk before a massive cut in taxes can be afforded, in my opinion. We need to spend more money in some areas, the military, the polce, schools, roads, the NHS and of course, sorting immigration. Alongside this there needs to be savings of course.
All of that needs a responsible, competent government and therein lies the problem. If Farage and co came to power and just cut things straight away, what do you think the outcome would be for public services? Besides the fact that in Wales they wouldn't have those powers it could be many years before the country is in a place to afford them. | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 13:41 - Sep 21 with 1723 views | Dr_Winston |
| The Reform Party Conference on 13:35 - Sep 21 by SullutaCreturned |
The laffer curve posits that there is an optimal tax rate that maximises income. Cutting taxes as Farage suggests probably takes us to the wrong end of the curve.
There is a lot to be done in the Uk before a massive cut in taxes can be afforded, in my opinion. We need to spend more money in some areas, the military, the polce, schools, roads, the NHS and of course, sorting immigration. Alongside this there needs to be savings of course.
All of that needs a responsible, competent government and therein lies the problem. If Farage and co came to power and just cut things straight away, what do you think the outcome would be for public services? Besides the fact that in Wales they wouldn't have those powers it could be many years before the country is in a place to afford them. |
Oh yeah, going as far as Farage suggests would not be a good move, but we could scale them back from where they are now and be better off, especially with some cuts attached.
Disagree that the NHS needs more funding. It's a money pit as it is. I'd want to see significant reform UK wide before I committed so much as an extra penny above the standard annual inflation raise. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 14:23 - Sep 21 with 1664 views | trampie |
| The Reform Party Conference on 13:35 - Sep 21 by SullutaCreturned |
The laffer curve posits that there is an optimal tax rate that maximises income. Cutting taxes as Farage suggests probably takes us to the wrong end of the curve.
There is a lot to be done in the Uk before a massive cut in taxes can be afforded, in my opinion. We need to spend more money in some areas, the military, the polce, schools, roads, the NHS and of course, sorting immigration. Alongside this there needs to be savings of course.
All of that needs a responsible, competent government and therein lies the problem. If Farage and co came to power and just cut things straight away, what do you think the outcome would be for public services? Besides the fact that in Wales they wouldn't have those powers it could be many years before the country is in a place to afford them. |
I would say that we are on the wrong end of the curve anyway, the thing with the curve is :- where are we on it ? - and we are probably on the wrong end of it as it is as we don't pay enough tax.
Looking at the top level of income tax we charge less than most other top European countries. Denmark (they currently seem to be the bench mark for success and they charge the highest level of top rate income tax, so that should tell us something), we charge less top rate of income tax than France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium Austria, so why people thing we tax our top earners too much I don't know, that is clearly not the case. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 14:47 - Sep 21 with 1625 views | Whiterockin |
| The Reform Party Conference on 14:23 - Sep 21 by trampie |
I would say that we are on the wrong end of the curve anyway, the thing with the curve is :- where are we on it ? - and we are probably on the wrong end of it as it is as we don't pay enough tax.
Looking at the top level of income tax we charge less than most other top European countries. Denmark (they currently seem to be the bench mark for success and they charge the highest level of top rate income tax, so that should tell us something), we charge less top rate of income tax than France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium Austria, so why people thing we tax our top earners too much I don't know, that is clearly not the case. |
Denmark don't only levy the highest rates of income tax they also levy a high 25% VAT rate that impacts everyone, particularly the less well off. | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 15:06 - Sep 21 with 1574 views | majorraglan |
| The Reform Party Conference on 12:41 - Sep 21 by max936 |
I hope we're not in for a shock with Dreadful and his pathetic fellow senedd cronies sneaking back in, when it comes to it, I suspect a lot of people with stick to what they've always done. |
Drakers has already announced that he is stepping down, as has Vaughan Gething. I’ll for one will be glad to see the back of them. | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 15:10 - Sep 21 with 1564 views | trampie |
| The Reform Party Conference on 14:47 - Sep 21 by Whiterockin |
Denmark don't only levy the highest rates of income tax they also levy a high 25% VAT rate that impacts everyone, particularly the less well off. |
You can have high VAT when your economy is in order, they have high taxes and a high standard of services for their taxes, they have virtually no government debt.
The problem over here is we don't charge enough tax and tax is a dirty word, you can't have low taxes and expect a civilised society. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 16:47 - Sep 21 with 1468 views | DJack |
Art Laffer drew a curve on a napkin in 1974 that he said proved that tax cuts would pay for themselves. This is sometimes right, and sometimes wrong – and it’s a mistake to just assume the answer without looking at the evidence.
https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2025/03/31/untaxing-the-laffer-curve-and-the-napkin-tha |  |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 19:36 - Sep 21 with 1372 views | builthjack |
Russia, with Chinese and North Korea backing, could well make advances into Eastern Europe.
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| The Reform Party Conference on 20:14 - Sep 21 with 1330 views | max936 |
| The Reform Party Conference on 15:06 - Sep 21 by majorraglan |
Drakers has already announced that he is stepping down, as has Vaughan Gething. I’ll for one will be glad to see the back of them. |
Be glad to see the back of them all. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 01:24 - Sep 23 with 763 views | Robbie |
| The Reform Party Conference on 10:35 - Sep 21 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The NHS, libraries, parks, education isn’t free though. We’ve been paying for them virtually every day of our lives.
And despite tax take flowing into the treasury and local councils being at a record high there’s still not enough money for them, which suggests the problem is with spending.
For example NPTC have recently unveiled an incredibly cunning plan which will cost many millions of taxpayers money to move a perfectly good functioning bus station which is within 5 seconds walk to the town centre a hundred yards down the road to the train station. Meanwhile local residents have faced numerous huge council tax rises.
We’re already paying through the nose for vital services yet these idiots in charge of the purse strings just keep spunking money up the wall on vanity projects that we don’t actually need or want. There should be much bigger scrutiny on how our money is spent. The wastage and corruption in the system is endemic they are just writing cheques left right and centre, often to themselves. |
Neath /Port Talbot Council also my paymasters have yet to allocate funds for younger children down the road from me being educated in portocabins .
A SuperSchool has been on the drawing board over how many years , I give up counting.
Big plans ahead folks just watch this space .
Meanwhile the local Swimming Pool has been demolished , not fit for purpose and we will not try to save this community asset , both my children learned to swim there .
Neath Town Centre , what a no go area now , coming second to Swansea sadly .
Well done to the honest traders in Neath Market who still keep a spirit alive .
Where the heck does my Council Tax go to , answers on a fag packet . | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 06:30 - Sep 23 with 653 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Reform Party Conference on 11:24 - Sep 21 by Whiterockin |
Why is it the ones who aren't prepared to bust a gut and make sacrifices to generate wealth, want to tax the ones who do, to the hilt so they can have a better lifestyle. |
Hang on, who do you mean there? I think the rich could pay more because right now they pay a lower percentage of their income in taxes (indirect as well as direct) than the rest of us.
I work, my wife works, our son is in college and as soon as possible he'll be working, so who do you mean?
Besides, ot's not about those bustinga gut because if they are still "busting" then they ain't rich yet, it's about the billionaires and thpose sitting on piles of in herited wealth. People busting a git are usually the poorer amongst us, working 6 and 7 day weeks and long days too.
The real problem isn't us in the middle, it's the rich who control the vast majority of the wealth AND the dole scroungers (I'll put it that way for simplicity) and it all needs sorting. | | | |
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