| The Reform Party Conference 21:32 - Sep 5 with 35201 views | Gwyn737 |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 17:06 - Sep 18 with 3701 views | Whiterockin |
| The Reform Party Conference on 16:58 - Sep 18 by trampie |
That is the state Labour are in, at this juncture it looks like Labour and Tories are toast and it's between Plaid and Reform as regards most seats.
Will a narrow win for Reform mean they will form a coalition with the Tories ?
Outside the top 4 AN Others may not win many seats if any, but Plaid might have the option of the Greens and Lib Dems and not just Labour. |
The new voting structure of the Senedd has stacked the odds against independents and the decision by Labour to give 16 year olds the vote has backfired. There are a lot of unknown variables in the next election, one thing for sure is Labour are toast. |  | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 17:10 - Sep 19 with 3239 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| The Reform Party Conference on 16:34 - Sep 18 by trampie |
I would expect non of the big four Plaid/Reform/Labour/Tories to talk about coalitions before the result. |
The tories are more like the Man United of the “big four” these days. |  |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 17:35 - Sep 19 with 3204 views | SullutaCreturned |
I have said several times that Farage has made promises to Wales that he cannit keep because the Senedd doesn't have those powers, the personal tax threshold, the fuel duty, the Senedd cannot change those. Still people seem to have lapped it up.
If Reform are serious they need to put out a genuine list of policies for Wales but I don't think they have any, at least not any they can actually put into practise.
Labour are toast and the tories only have a chance in league with Reform so if you cannot stomach a Plaid/Labour coalition, can you stomach a Reform/tory coalition?
Of Plaod got in I don't think it'd be the same as when they were the junir partners with Labour. No, Labour would only get the crimbs as Plaid did when they were junior.
I don't think the answer to a totally useless government is a batshit crazy government which to me, Reform would be. All they have is populait slogans with no meat on the bones.
It looks (to myself at least) like Wales is very much screwed, it's the proverbial roack and a hard place. I cann't even see which is the lesser of the evils. At least by voting for Plaid there will be a leaader who cares about Wales which Farage never will. | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 17:43 - Sep 19 with 3178 views | Whiterockin |
| The Reform Party Conference on 17:35 - Sep 19 by SullutaCreturned |
I have said several times that Farage has made promises to Wales that he cannit keep because the Senedd doesn't have those powers, the personal tax threshold, the fuel duty, the Senedd cannot change those. Still people seem to have lapped it up.
If Reform are serious they need to put out a genuine list of policies for Wales but I don't think they have any, at least not any they can actually put into practise.
Labour are toast and the tories only have a chance in league with Reform so if you cannot stomach a Plaid/Labour coalition, can you stomach a Reform/tory coalition?
Of Plaod got in I don't think it'd be the same as when they were the junir partners with Labour. No, Labour would only get the crimbs as Plaid did when they were junior.
I don't think the answer to a totally useless government is a batshit crazy government which to me, Reform would be. All they have is populait slogans with no meat on the bones.
It looks (to myself at least) like Wales is very much screwed, it's the proverbial roack and a hard place. I cann't even see which is the lesser of the evils. At least by voting for Plaid there will be a leaader who cares about Wales which Farage never will. |
The thought of a Plaid/Labour coalition will dive voters straight into Reforms hands. Welsh voters will now do anything to destroy Labour, if Plaid want to be connected to Labour their popularity in the polls will drop. | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 17:54 - Sep 19 with 3155 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The Reform Party Conference on 17:43 - Sep 19 by Whiterockin |
The thought of a Plaid/Labour coalition will dive voters straight into Reforms hands. Welsh voters will now do anything to destroy Labour, if Plaid want to be connected to Labour their popularity in the polls will drop. |
Reform and TORY hands unless they get a majority, whuch they won't. Un;ess maybe a lot of peope who never vote turn out. | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 22:14 - Sep 19 with 3038 views | DJack |
| The Reform Party Conference on 17:43 - Sep 19 by Whiterockin |
The thought of a Plaid/Labour coalition will dive voters straight into Reforms hands. Welsh voters will now do anything to destroy Labour, if Plaid want to be connected to Labour their popularity in the polls will drop. |
"Welsh voters will now do anything to destroy Labour"
From a poster like yourself I'm surprised to see such arrant nonsense! The people might well want new leadership in Wales but "do anything to destroy Labour", I really don't think so.
Additionally, it's probably already been, said but NONE of the parties will say that they will go into coalition. If/when there is no clear majority then there is likelyhood that a coalition (to varying degrees) will (have to?) happen. |  |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 22:45 - Sep 19 with 3007 views | majorraglan |
| The Reform Party Conference on 06:26 - Sep 17 by AnotherJohn |
I wonder though if the problem with immigration is wider than just what we spend in a given year on asylum seekers and persons recently granted refugee status. As I see things, there are wider negative impacts on the economy. These might include: static or falling per capita GDP, static per capita productivity, a preference of some companies for cheap imported labour over training or buying cutting-edge technology, central government planning that holds down training places in medicine and nursing because of an expectation that overseas professionals who other countries paid to train can be recruited, a perception among sections of the population that the arrival of low-skilled migrants means that Brits do not have to do certain kinds of jobs leading to a rising benefits bill. Then there are "externalities" in the sense of the security, criminal and civil justice, and prison costs that probably do not show up in most immigration cost estimates. |
Good post, lots of really valid points.
Immigration has had both positive and negative impacts and Itotally agree with you about falling per capita GDP, static per capita productivity and a preference for cheap labour over investment. I also agree with the point you make about central government planning restricting numbers on medical and nursing courses etc with a view to recruiting overseas professionals as these are cheaper than paying for training.
And there are certainly jobs that Brits don’t want to do. I occasionally have cause to visit a large food factory in South Wales and nearly all the production line staff are migrants. It’s a tough job in what can be a tough environment, the hours are long and the pay is probably up to quid or two over minimum wage. The employees all pay tax, spend a lot of their cash in the local economy, the company trades at a profit, pays more tax and we get to eat. It’s clear from my discussions with their HR that they really struggle to get Brits to work there. Without the (legal) migrants the company wouldn’t have any workers and would fold.
Until we have a situation where those who don’t want to or can’t be bothered to work are forced to get up and find a job the “bottom end” jobs will be filled by migrants. The benefits bill is enormous and needs to be tackled because it’s unsustainable -but it’s going to take a huge effort and a lot of political will.
There’s been a lot of press coverage about the Resolution Foundation report that had growth continued between 2005 and 2025 at the rate it increased between 1995 and 2005 then the typical family income today would be £51k per year and not the £31k it is now.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/inflation-wages-energy-bills-foo
Edited to add the links to the Resilution Foundation report. [Post edited 19 Sep 23:17]
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| The Reform Party Conference on 01:05 - Sep 20 with 2934 views | Robbie |
Popcorn time next May in Tiger Bay it looks like .
The red rosette wearing monkeys are under threat , fuel on the fire to increase the seating capacity of this talking shop to 96 is another no vote for me too .
Reform coming in and overpowering Cardiff Central tsunami style is a no brainer .
The natives would never accept it and would not give it a chance either .
On the outside rail the dark horse that is Plaid might be making up ground quickly now .
It pains me to say it as an ex TGWU member , Starmer has lost the working mans vote . | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 06:02 - Sep 20 with 2880 views | builthjack |
| The Reform Party Conference on 17:35 - Sep 19 by SullutaCreturned |
I have said several times that Farage has made promises to Wales that he cannit keep because the Senedd doesn't have those powers, the personal tax threshold, the fuel duty, the Senedd cannot change those. Still people seem to have lapped it up.
If Reform are serious they need to put out a genuine list of policies for Wales but I don't think they have any, at least not any they can actually put into practise.
Labour are toast and the tories only have a chance in league with Reform so if you cannot stomach a Plaid/Labour coalition, can you stomach a Reform/tory coalition?
Of Plaod got in I don't think it'd be the same as when they were the junir partners with Labour. No, Labour would only get the crimbs as Plaid did when they were junior.
I don't think the answer to a totally useless government is a batshit crazy government which to me, Reform would be. All they have is populait slogans with no meat on the bones.
It looks (to myself at least) like Wales is very much screwed, it's the proverbial roack and a hard place. I cann't even see which is the lesser of the evils. At least by voting for Plaid there will be a leaader who cares about Wales which Farage never will. |
What Farage has offered me is amazing. Between paying less tax and the cut in fuel,duty I will be about £4000 a year better off.
It’s absolutely amazing. What a man.
Fag packet maths says that will only cost the country 160 billion pounds in lost taxes.
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| The Reform Party Conference on 07:02 - Sep 20 with 2824 views | majorraglan |
| The Reform Party Conference on 01:05 - Sep 20 by Robbie |
Popcorn time next May in Tiger Bay it looks like .
The red rosette wearing monkeys are under threat , fuel on the fire to increase the seating capacity of this talking shop to 96 is another no vote for me too .
Reform coming in and overpowering Cardiff Central tsunami style is a no brainer .
The natives would never accept it and would not give it a chance either .
On the outside rail the dark horse that is Plaid might be making up ground quickly now .
It pains me to say it as an ex TGWU member , Starmer has lost the working mans vote . |
Quite a few bailing out of the Senedd, and a lot of them won’t be missed.
Jeremy Miles is the latest to announce he’s quitting. A mate of mine knows him quite well as they went to school together and they bump in to each other occasionally. My mate reckons he’s a rally tidy guy, intelligent, articulate, down to earth and plenty of experience in the real world having held down good jobs as a lawyer in London - the type of person we need in the bay. It’s a pity he lost out to Vaughan Gething as I reckon he’d have done a better job.
The existing Labour members of the Senedd have brought this on themselves and they’ll pay the price come next May.
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| The Reform Party Conference on 08:31 - Sep 20 with 2764 views | Whiterockin |
| The Reform Party Conference on 22:14 - Sep 19 by DJack |
"Welsh voters will now do anything to destroy Labour"
From a poster like yourself I'm surprised to see such arrant nonsense! The people might well want new leadership in Wales but "do anything to destroy Labour", I really don't think so.
Additionally, it's probably already been, said but NONE of the parties will say that they will go into coalition. If/when there is no clear majority then there is likelyhood that a coalition (to varying degrees) will (have to?) happen. |
I think you realise that I support no politician or party. I post my opinion after what I hear people say and yes that is the opinion I have formed. I think the massive decline in Labour support since the last Senedd election, backed up by opinion polls backs up my thoughts. Everyone is entitled to a political opinion but those who blindly follow a political party need to open their eyes, after failed Conservative then Labour government's the public will not accept main party politics anymore. As for Reform would they work, I really don't know but they are shaking up politics in this country. Would I vote for them, again currently I don't know. For me its not about Farage as Prime Minister but who do they have to form a cabinet and that is not that is not there at the moment. Defections could change this and there will be many over the term of this parliament even from Labour as politicians get closer to losing their seats. In Wales will Reform be the biggest party, quite possibly because voters will drift away from Plaid if they think there could be a coalition with Labour as stated by Eluned Morgan. Plaid need to state emphatically that they will form a coalition with nobody. Then its up to the Welsh voting public if the want a hung Senedd unable to pass legislation and a budget. It's going to be an interesting six months in Wales and quite possibly beyond.
As for parties ruling out a coalition, this is just not true.
"Eluned Morgan refused to rule out not only coming to a deal with Plaid Cymru after the election but also serving under a Plaid Cymru First Minister."
https://nation.cymru/opinion/is-the-fms-coalition-answer-a-blooper-or-a-cunning- | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 11:19 - Sep 20 with 2648 views | johnlangy |
| The Reform Party Conference on 08:31 - Sep 20 by Whiterockin |
I think you realise that I support no politician or party. I post my opinion after what I hear people say and yes that is the opinion I have formed. I think the massive decline in Labour support since the last Senedd election, backed up by opinion polls backs up my thoughts. Everyone is entitled to a political opinion but those who blindly follow a political party need to open their eyes, after failed Conservative then Labour government's the public will not accept main party politics anymore. As for Reform would they work, I really don't know but they are shaking up politics in this country. Would I vote for them, again currently I don't know. For me its not about Farage as Prime Minister but who do they have to form a cabinet and that is not that is not there at the moment. Defections could change this and there will be many over the term of this parliament even from Labour as politicians get closer to losing their seats. In Wales will Reform be the biggest party, quite possibly because voters will drift away from Plaid if they think there could be a coalition with Labour as stated by Eluned Morgan. Plaid need to state emphatically that they will form a coalition with nobody. Then its up to the Welsh voting public if the want a hung Senedd unable to pass legislation and a budget. It's going to be an interesting six months in Wales and quite possibly beyond.
As for parties ruling out a coalition, this is just not true.
"Eluned Morgan refused to rule out not only coming to a deal with Plaid Cymru after the election but also serving under a Plaid Cymru First Minister."
https://nation.cymru/opinion/is-the-fms-coalition-answer-a-blooper-or-a-cunning- |
Ruling out a coalition would only be a sensible thing to do if you believe you'll get a majority. That would appear a pointless thing to do when Labour have never won a majority of seats in the Senedd. The most they've won is the current 30 out of 60.
The same will almost certainly apply to whichever party gains the greatest number of seats next year. Whoever that is may not go into actual coalition but they'll have to at least work with other like minded parties in order to govern.
If the largest party is Plaid they'll have to work with either Labour, the Greens or the Lib Dems. Maybe all three at times. They certainly will not work with Reform or the Conservatives.
The same applies to Reform if they were to be the biggest party. The only like minded party they could work with is the Conservatives. And they'd have no choice.
So the argument that voting for Plaid will get you Labour could also be worded voting Reform will get you the Conservatives, a party which Wales has literally never voted into power.
I know which I prefer. | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 11:25 - Sep 20 with 2642 views | onehunglow |
| The Reform Party Conference on 11:19 - Sep 20 by johnlangy |
Ruling out a coalition would only be a sensible thing to do if you believe you'll get a majority. That would appear a pointless thing to do when Labour have never won a majority of seats in the Senedd. The most they've won is the current 30 out of 60.
The same will almost certainly apply to whichever party gains the greatest number of seats next year. Whoever that is may not go into actual coalition but they'll have to at least work with other like minded parties in order to govern.
If the largest party is Plaid they'll have to work with either Labour, the Greens or the Lib Dems. Maybe all three at times. They certainly will not work with Reform or the Conservatives.
The same applies to Reform if they were to be the biggest party. The only like minded party they could work with is the Conservatives. And they'd have no choice.
So the argument that voting for Plaid will get you Labour could also be worded voting Reform will get you the Conservatives, a party which Wales has literally never voted into power.
I know which I prefer. |
It’s historic hatred of Tories
Nothing more
Labour has never supported devolution | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 11:42 - Sep 20 with 2620 views | Whiterockin |
| The Reform Party Conference on 11:19 - Sep 20 by johnlangy |
Ruling out a coalition would only be a sensible thing to do if you believe you'll get a majority. That would appear a pointless thing to do when Labour have never won a majority of seats in the Senedd. The most they've won is the current 30 out of 60.
The same will almost certainly apply to whichever party gains the greatest number of seats next year. Whoever that is may not go into actual coalition but they'll have to at least work with other like minded parties in order to govern.
If the largest party is Plaid they'll have to work with either Labour, the Greens or the Lib Dems. Maybe all three at times. They certainly will not work with Reform or the Conservatives.
The same applies to Reform if they were to be the biggest party. The only like minded party they could work with is the Conservatives. And they'd have no choice.
So the argument that voting for Plaid will get you Labour could also be worded voting Reform will get you the Conservatives, a party which Wales has literally never voted into power.
I know which I prefer. |
We have never had a Conservative government in the Senedd so it is impossible to judge what they would do for Wales. | | | |
| The Reform Party Conference on 12:30 - Sep 20 with 2564 views | Dr_Winston |
A Labour/Plaid coalition with Plaid holding the whip hand could be the worst possible outcome. I'd rather an outright Labour win to that. |  |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 15:05 - Sep 20 with 2475 views | johnlangy |
| The Reform Party Conference on 12:30 - Sep 20 by Dr_Winston |
A Labour/Plaid coalition with Plaid holding the whip hand could be the worst possible outcome. I'd rather an outright Labour win to that. |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 15:21 - Sep 20 with 2461 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| The Reform Party Conference on 06:02 - Sep 20 by builthjack |
What Farage has offered me is amazing. Between paying less tax and the cut in fuel,duty I will be about £4000 a year better off.
It’s absolutely amazing. What a man.
Fag packet maths says that will only cost the country 160 billion pounds in lost taxes.
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If you’re £4000 a year better off you’ll have far more to spend in local businesses and luxury goods, think of all the holidays you can have and nice things you can buy it’ll all help the economy and the treasury will grow enormously from all these businesses thriving because people like you will have money to spend with them. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 16:43 - Sep 20 with 2407 views | DJack |
| The Reform Party Conference on 15:21 - Sep 20 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
If you’re £4000 a year better off you’ll have far more to spend in local businesses and luxury goods, think of all the holidays you can have and nice things you can buy it’ll all help the economy and the treasury will grow enormously from all these businesses thriving because people like you will have money to spend with them. |
The operative word being IF...
Farage has only ever shoen himself as an bloviating , populist with no idea but false promises... Not that i'm telling you anything you don't know! | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 19:15 - Sep 20 with 2319 views | onehunglow |
| The Reform Party Conference on 16:43 - Sep 20 by DJack |
The operative word being IF...
Farage has only ever shoen himself as an bloviating , populist with no idea but false promises... Not that i'm telling you anything you don't know! |
“ bloviating “
Had to look it up
Never heard that in conversations before
I must mix in more haute monde circles | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 01:48 - Sep 21 with 2101 views | DJack |
| The Reform Party Conference on 19:15 - Sep 20 by onehunglow |
“ bloviating “
Had to look it up
Never heard that in conversations before
I must mix in more haute monde circles |
Look, you and I disagree... a lot, but I'm honestly shocked that you say that you've not heard the word as your command of english is more diverse than mine. If what you say is true, Lohengrin taught me huckster/hucksterism and I've taught you bloviating.
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| The Reform Party Conference on 06:56 - Sep 21 with 2013 views | builthjack |
| The Reform Party Conference on 15:21 - Sep 20 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
If you’re £4000 a year better off you’ll have far more to spend in local businesses and luxury goods, think of all the holidays you can have and nice things you can buy it’ll all help the economy and the treasury will grow enormously from all these businesses thriving because people like you will have money to spend with them. |
If I, and the other 35 million working people in the UK, were given what Farage is promising, there would be no road repairs, no hospitals, no schools, etc etc,
Perhaps he wants toll roads, private schools, private hospitals for everyone.
That £4000 and a lot lot more would soon be gone.
Anyone with half at brain can see through Farage. | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 07:49 - Sep 21 with 1975 views | trampie |
| The Reform Party Conference on 06:56 - Sep 21 by builthjack |
If I, and the other 35 million working people in the UK, were given what Farage is promising, there would be no road repairs, no hospitals, no schools, etc etc,
Perhaps he wants toll roads, private schools, private hospitals for everyone.
That £4000 and a lot lot more would soon be gone.
Anyone with half at brain can see through Farage. |
Farage is like Thatcher was, put some money in workers pockets, a lot in the pockets of the rich, but at the expense of services and infrastructure, at the time (and the same principle applies now) as long as there was more working people than unemployed, OAPs, students, people on benefits she was going to get in due to greed.
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| The Reform Party Conference on 08:10 - Sep 21 with 1942 views | trampie |
It can be hard for some Welsh and Scottish that are not particularly interested in politics to understand what the modern far right are all about as lots of them are not white and or have mixed blood. Farage great grandfather apparently was German and I seen it somewhere that both his ex wives were economic immigrants and his current partner - haven't checked it out myself but its amazing the amount of foreign types in these right wing groups, Tommy Robinson or whatever his name is mother is Irish, the second in command in reform is not white, the guy leading AdvanceUK is not white.
A lot of these groups are pro Israel and fly star of david flags, the far right when I was young and first taking interest in politics apparently were anti Israel so that has all changed, are these far right groups actually very pro foreigners but are they Islamaphobic ?, are they are anti Islam/anti Muslim ? | |
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| The Reform Party Conference on 08:33 - Sep 21 with 1901 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| The Reform Party Conference on 06:56 - Sep 21 by builthjack |
If I, and the other 35 million working people in the UK, were given what Farage is promising, there would be no road repairs, no hospitals, no schools, etc etc,
Perhaps he wants toll roads, private schools, private hospitals for everyone.
That £4000 and a lot lot more would soon be gone.
Anyone with half at brain can see through Farage. |
Fair enough, it’s not about Farage for me. I just struggle to understand how in this modern world we’ve arrived at the point where millions of people are practically demanding to be taxed more and see tax cuts as an innately terrible thing. | |
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