| Sam Field 22:19 - Sep 13 with 12774 views | HAMRanger |
Fair play to Stéphan for dropping Field. Field has been a big problem in our midfield. I know it's only two games since he's been left out but the difference is already quite dramatic. |  | | |  |
| Sam Field on 18:38 - Sep 14 with 4102 views | dmm |
I do not think we're in a position to say goodbye to Field. I guarantee there will be games this season when we'll be delighted with him, just as we have been in many games over the past four seasons. |  | | |
| Sam Field on 06:29 - Sep 15 with 3606 views | larsricchi |
| Sam Field on 14:41 - Sep 14 by davman |
I am with the replies on here referring to Sam Field's time at the club, but his pre-season and early season I am with the OP; he has been well off the pace and out of sorts, simply not himself.
There will be games where we need him, but maybe the change to a more "pragmatic" style bypassing the midfield gives a Madsen - Varane combo more of a chance. Time will tell, but taking him out has proven to be the right thing to do at this stage... |
Here's my solution, if I had been asked to be the OP's editor...
Thread title: Midfield change (applause emoji or something else complimentary)
Body copy:
Fair play to Stéphan for pivoting to Varane/Madsen in the midfield. Small sample size and against, shall we say, advantageous competition, but horses for courses, and it's been positive. It came at the expense of Field, who has done much for us in the past, thank you very much for that, but his role needed to change in the present day. Hope to see continued success from this new way forward (pun sort of intended).
End of.
Might be a bit boring for online discourse. But so what.
I guess I'm happy that in this thread and the "How did Madsen play" thread, the majority of posters have rallied around the players (Field here, Madsen there). Let's keep embracing that attitude, especially after a pair of 3-1 victories! [Post edited 15 Sep 6:31]
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| Sam Field on 07:12 - Sep 15 with 3526 views | nix |
| Sam Field on 06:29 - Sep 15 by larsricchi |
Here's my solution, if I had been asked to be the OP's editor...
Thread title: Midfield change (applause emoji or something else complimentary)
Body copy:
Fair play to Stéphan for pivoting to Varane/Madsen in the midfield. Small sample size and against, shall we say, advantageous competition, but horses for courses, and it's been positive. It came at the expense of Field, who has done much for us in the past, thank you very much for that, but his role needed to change in the present day. Hope to see continued success from this new way forward (pun sort of intended).
End of.
Might be a bit boring for online discourse. But so what.
I guess I'm happy that in this thread and the "How did Madsen play" thread, the majority of posters have rallied around the players (Field here, Madsen there). Let's keep embracing that attitude, especially after a pair of 3-1 victories! [Post edited 15 Sep 6:31]
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Exactly. I can certainly see Field starting in some other games where we need to be much tighter through the middle. I’m sure even he would admit that he’s not someone who often unlocks defences. But he has other abilities that will be very important throughout the season. I’m certain Stephan recognised that too and has told Sam that he will feature in future matches. |  | | |
| Sam Field on 23:50 - Sep 15 with 3062 views | HAMRanger |
| Sam Field on 06:29 - Sep 15 by larsricchi |
Here's my solution, if I had been asked to be the OP's editor...
Thread title: Midfield change (applause emoji or something else complimentary)
Body copy:
Fair play to Stéphan for pivoting to Varane/Madsen in the midfield. Small sample size and against, shall we say, advantageous competition, but horses for courses, and it's been positive. It came at the expense of Field, who has done much for us in the past, thank you very much for that, but his role needed to change in the present day. Hope to see continued success from this new way forward (pun sort of intended).
End of.
Might be a bit boring for online discourse. But so what.
I guess I'm happy that in this thread and the "How did Madsen play" thread, the majority of posters have rallied around the players (Field here, Madsen there). Let's keep embracing that attitude, especially after a pair of 3-1 victories! [Post edited 15 Sep 6:31]
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| Sam Field on 09:04 - Sep 16 with 2749 views | TheChef |
| Sam Field on 23:50 - Sep 15 by HAMRanger |
It's a cult I tell you! |
Well clearly pretty much everyone else on here can see what he offers to the team, just a shame that you can't.
But of course you're entitled to your opinion! |  |
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| Sam Field on 09:38 - Sep 16 with 2659 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Field has shown up every week since he got here.
Field has never hidden. Not once!
Field has dug us out of more self-caused messes than he has ever caused.
Field is, by all accounts, a really nice bloke and not one of your modern day tossers.
By all means have a view, but the best one said above, the problem is thinking we're Barcelona. Anyway, I'd shake his hand, don a sensible cardigan and have a beer with him. Not something we can say about a lot of them who have donned the B&W over the last few years! |  |
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| Sam Field on 23:03 - Sep 16 with 2348 views | barbicanranger |
I think Wrexham were there for the taking and I would have been very disappointed to have lost that game having seen how Wrexham played. While we were very quick through midfield for Kone's goal, which is where I think SF has some limitations, we really struggled to win the ball and retain it in midfield at times and I thought at half time that SF would have been a good introduction and solved for that if we'd brought him on at HT. He also adds height and aerial ability at corners. [Post edited 16 Sep 23:04]
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| Sam Field on 06:06 - Sep 17 with 2146 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
One of the few advantages of being QPR is that there is an always a lesson from recent history:
Dom Ball.
Write off industrial midfielders at your peril. His departure cost us a good few league places I reckon. |  | | |
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| Sam Field on 06:57 - Sep 17 with 2089 views | numptydumpty |
I guess the OP is of course, entitled to his opinion. However, what i would say since Sam Field has been here, all managers have picked him consistently. So that's ;
Mark Warburton
Michael Beale
Neil Critchley
Gareth Ainsworth
Marti Cifuentes
Julien Stephan
Stephan has picked him and now has him on the bench, for the last couple of games. I think its his fifth or sixth season now though.
I personally can see him always being in the squad, this season, maybe more on the bench and likely to come on in most games. However, one or two injuries and he is a starter again. And just another thing to add to the OP, he has been pretty much always available and a manager, always has a need for such players. Nearly every other player during this time, has had spells on the sidelines.
You say the difference in the last two games has been quite dramatic. Would suggest thats more down to having two strikers that can put the ball in the back of the net, something that ever since Field has been here, we basically have not had any centre forwards that have had this in their locker. And as said, anyhow, Field came on to help shore up the defence, in one of these games, so contributed also, anyhow.
But all these football people that have all picked him, what do you know HAMRanger above the likes of Warburton, Cifuentes et al or are all these managers also in this "CULT" you talk about.
Pray, tell..... [Post edited 17 Sep 7:05]
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| Sam Field on 08:00 - Sep 17 with 1972 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Sam Field on 06:57 - Sep 17 by numptydumpty |
I guess the OP is of course, entitled to his opinion. However, what i would say since Sam Field has been here, all managers have picked him consistently. So that's ;
Mark Warburton
Michael Beale
Neil Critchley
Gareth Ainsworth
Marti Cifuentes
Julien Stephan
Stephan has picked him and now has him on the bench, for the last couple of games. I think its his fifth or sixth season now though.
I personally can see him always being in the squad, this season, maybe more on the bench and likely to come on in most games. However, one or two injuries and he is a starter again. And just another thing to add to the OP, he has been pretty much always available and a manager, always has a need for such players. Nearly every other player during this time, has had spells on the sidelines.
You say the difference in the last two games has been quite dramatic. Would suggest thats more down to having two strikers that can put the ball in the back of the net, something that ever since Field has been here, we basically have not had any centre forwards that have had this in their locker. And as said, anyhow, Field came on to help shore up the defence, in one of these games, so contributed also, anyhow.
But all these football people that have all picked him, what do you know HAMRanger above the likes of Warburton, Cifuentes et al or are all these managers also in this "CULT" you talk about.
Pray, tell..... [Post edited 17 Sep 7:05]
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When Poku, Chair, and Smyth are fit and return, are we really going to have Morgan, Hayden, and Field all on the bench?
JS has already shown he is far more attacking than MC, so one will not make the matchday squad.
Hayden? Well, he was brought in because the CM was struggling.
Morgan? You want to bring through your England U21.
I think people are confusing between Field being a nice bloke ( which he appears to be) and a good footballer ( which he isn't).
He is going to have pretty limited game time, baring injuries, this season. |  |
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| Sam Field on 08:18 - Sep 17 with 1917 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Sam Field on 08:00 - Sep 17 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
When Poku, Chair, and Smyth are fit and return, are we really going to have Morgan, Hayden, and Field all on the bench?
JS has already shown he is far more attacking than MC, so one will not make the matchday squad.
Hayden? Well, he was brought in because the CM was struggling.
Morgan? You want to bring through your England U21.
I think people are confusing between Field being a nice bloke ( which he appears to be) and a good footballer ( which he isn't).
He is going to have pretty limited game time, baring injuries, this season. |
Well, Holloway, if we're factoring injuries into the equation, which QPR surely must, then Field is a good bet for being an ever present! | |
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| Sam Field on 09:07 - Sep 17 with 1791 views | dmm |
| Sam Field on 08:18 - Sep 17 by PlanetHonneywood |
Well, Holloway, if we're factoring injuries into the equation, which QPR surely must, then Field is a good bet for being an ever present! |
Indeed, and added to that are those three game weeks that we've found so difficult to manage. Maybe we now have a squad that can cope with the rigours of the Championship. [Post edited 17 Sep 9:07]
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| Sam Field on 09:41 - Sep 17 with 1699 views | gazza1 |
It is very wrong to 'knock' Field, he is a 'proper' professional and overall he has been one of the first names on the sheet despite being a limited footballer attacking wise. I do not know exactly why he has been benched but he has started the season slowly and, perhaps, the Manager wants a more forward thinking midfielder than Field at this current time. It is all about choices and the Manager wants Varane in that role and the Team to play a little differently. I am sure he will get a run in the Team in due course.
Posters should not be disrespectful to Field, he is 'proper' - a credit to himself & the Club. | | | |
| Sam Field on 10:00 - Sep 17 with 1640 views | R_from_afar |
| Sam Field on 16:28 - Sep 14 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Unfortunately for some the OP speaks the truth.
Regardless of how the game is played, either long ball or Guardiola ball, you still need a CM who can pass the fckin ball.
In the 90s, under Gerry, we were pretty direct with fast wingers and Les upfront, but you still needed a creative player which we had in Wilkins.
Today, I see similarities in how we have played in the past couple of games to that early 90s period, but we still need someone who can pass in CM.
Field has been dropped, Madsen is in, and I don't see Field playing as a starter that often.
I expect Dunne to be next as he looks to be really struggling under Stephan. I like Morgan at RB. |
"you still need a CM who can pass the fckin ball".
You're exaggerating for effect here, Field absolutely can pass the ball but currently not as creatively as Madsen, who is probably our best passer at the moment. Madsen's passing can create opportunities and his dead ball deliveries are mostly excellent.
That said, football isn't just about being creative, passing forward and scoring goals. You also need players who can track back, close down and tackle, especially in central midfield. Field excells at those things.
I find it quite sad to see this pile-on against Field given his strong contributions *over seasons*, not just a few games. His average level of positive contributions over quite a few years - now there's a new metric for Sky to chew on - has been consistently high, with the exception of this season, he's chipped in with valuable goals and in spite of regularly taking a battering, he has had a superb injury record. |  |
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| Sam Field on 10:28 - Sep 17 with 1579 views | terryb |
I'm expecting that quite a few of you will disagree with me, but since his first full season with us, Sam Field has been our most important player.
As good as Jimmy Dunne for the past 18 months? No. As good as Illias Chair when he is performing at his best? No, but take the period as a whole & his consistency is the main reason we are still in The Championship.
However, I do understand where the OP is coming from, even though I dislike the tone. IF we are to progress, a central midfield pairing of two from Field, Varane & Hayden is not likely to create the chances that we need to score goals, although in theory it should make it harder for us to concede!
Until he is sold, I expect Varane to be the first choice in this position as we need to increase his worth to other clubs, which will leave Sam in a very awkward place. He needs to play games or he will become a forgotten man. Of course, if we're not winning matches without him, then he will get his game time with us!
I suspect that the clubs intention is to play a "more creative" player alongside Varane, unless it is considered our opponents are capable of dominating a defensive/ ball playing pairing. That would only apply to a few Championship teams. I also suggest that they might be considering Chair for the role as he possibly has the most ability to receive the ball deep & then move it forward.
Sam Field has been very important to Rangers & we should always have good memories of him, but every player has a limited time with a club & it might be that Sam is reaching that point. I would never advocate "getting rid" of him, but neither would I like to see him being reduced to a 15 minute per game role. He deserves far better than that. | | | |
| Sam Field on 10:37 - Sep 17 with 1553 views | CroydonCaptJack |
Contender for up and down vote thread of the year. |  |
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| Sam Field on 10:49 - Sep 17 with 1515 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Sam Field on 10:37 - Sep 17 by CroydonCaptJack |
Contender for up and down vote thread of the year. |
"I can tell you, my love for you will still be strong
After the boys of summer have gone" |  |
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| Sam Field on 11:00 - Sep 17 with 1474 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Can anyone name one successful Championship side that doesn’t have a Sam Field? | | | |
| Sam Field on 11:16 - Sep 17 with 1377 views | EastR |
Sam, a man outstanding in his own Field. | |
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| Sam Field on 11:22 - Sep 17 with 1332 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Sam Field on 06:29 - Sep 15 by larsricchi |
Here's my solution, if I had been asked to be the OP's editor...
Thread title: Midfield change (applause emoji or something else complimentary)
Body copy:
Fair play to Stéphan for pivoting to Varane/Madsen in the midfield. Small sample size and against, shall we say, advantageous competition, but horses for courses, and it's been positive. It came at the expense of Field, who has done much for us in the past, thank you very much for that, but his role needed to change in the present day. Hope to see continued success from this new way forward (pun sort of intended).
End of.
Might be a bit boring for online discourse. But so what.
I guess I'm happy that in this thread and the "How did Madsen play" thread, the majority of posters have rallied around the players (Field here, Madsen there). Let's keep embracing that attitude, especially after a pair of 3-1 victories! [Post edited 15 Sep 6:31]
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Would suggest Field, Varane and Hayden will share the DM positions and Chair will take Madsen’s position further forward once fit.
Madsen is decent with the ball in forward positions, but disappears when we are under the cosh.
He will get games and his work rate is improving, but he is not a starter for me when everyone is fit. | | | |
| Sam Field on 12:07 - Sep 17 with 1214 views | nix |
| Sam Field on 11:22 - Sep 17 by Burnleyhoop |
Would suggest Field, Varane and Hayden will share the DM positions and Chair will take Madsen’s position further forward once fit.
Madsen is decent with the ball in forward positions, but disappears when we are under the cosh.
He will get games and his work rate is improving, but he is not a starter for me when everyone is fit. |
Whatever we think of Chair going forward there is no way he's defensively solid. I thought Chair was a liability last season when we were being stretched defensively - glaringly against Coventry away. But even two seasons ago Chair won fewer duels and made fewer clearances than Madsen does now.
The other thing about Chair is we end up playing a certain way, holding onto the ball and releasing it slowly. Now sometimes that's useful when you are under pressure. Other times you want to be more direct.
Why does it have to be Chair/Madsen, Field/Madsen etc. I'd argue it depends on who we're playing and the need to rest players and introduce some variety so we're not predictable.
I'd be astonished if JS is as binary as this board.
Incidentally there was an interesting point by the Not the Top 20 podcast about the difference between management in the Championship and League 1. The manager (Nathan Jones?) said the main difference is how often you have to adjust tactics mid-match. Surely having different options helps with that? | | | |
| Sam Field on 12:19 - Sep 17 with 1158 views | dmm |
You make some interesting points about Chair, nix. I've been wondering where he fits in now he has some serious competition right across the front 3. If ever we have all our forwards fit at the same time, would Chair be an automatic first pick? Perhaps not, and I wouldn't be surprised to see JS adopt a 'horses for courses' approach to make use of the forward options he has. [Post edited 17 Sep 12:20]
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| Sam Field on 12:23 - Sep 17 with 1136 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I know he's slowed down in terms of overall number recently, but Chair is our top scorer and assister by a long long way.
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| Sam Field on 12:45 - Sep 17 with 1022 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Sam Field on 10:49 - Sep 17 by BrianMcCarthy |
"I can tell you, my love for you will still be strong
After the boys of summer have gone" |
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| Sam Field on 12:54 - Sep 17 with 980 views | Pindarus |
Last season Cook Field and Chair were automatic names on the team sheet.
JS was not here last season and is not prepared to play on reputation.
None of the above have played well this season so he brings in others who have played better and the team is doing better.
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