| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 10:21 - Sep 21 with 2205 views | 442Dale |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:39 - Sep 21 by wozzrafc |
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We have had specialists report that the pitch has practically no drainage and will cost 1.5million, anything else is just prolonging the problem.
It’s pointless comparing it to other pitches as they don’t have this issue. Any lower league club losing a couple of million a year would have struggled.
The Ogdens have committed to resolving the issue and inevitably picking up the cost. We are where we are and we have to manage the situation the best we can. With all the will in the world with the amount or rain we had yesterday (40-60mm) and the issues we had there was no way the pitch could have coped covers or no covers. |
I think yesterday may end up being a blessing in disguise. As you say, there’s no way the game would have been completed in that weather, even if the pitch was like the MCG square on Boxing Day when the covers came off.
A postponement this early when the pitch is still “good” and some decent weather forecast for the week ahead allows a proper investigation and lessons to be learnt. Rather now than in December after months of games and little in the way of help from the weather. |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 10:21 - Sep 21 with 2209 views | James1980 |
Is there a way the money could be raised? Selling the remaining shares for example perhaps as non voting preference paying a dividend or a number of multi year season tickets. |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 10:47 - Sep 21 with 2142 views | judd |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:21 - Sep 21 by TalkingSutty |
It's a difficult conundrum because laying a new pitch and possibly repairing drains is not only costly but time consuming. In the meantime the only viable solution is to have appropriate coverage that stops water from seeping through to the pitch. A cover that is elevated off the surface and pitched slightly so water can run off. Is there such a design and do companies sell them or hire them out long term? I think everybody associated with the club is doing the best they can. [Post edited 21 Sep 11:50]
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I'm pretty certain we hired an inflatable dome before the Newcastle game, or maybe Spurs.
When I say "we", it may very well have been the TV company.
But they wouldn't have guaranteed yesterday's game finishing, in my opinion. As 49thseason calculated, there was thousands of gallons to deal with. |  |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:40 - Sep 21 with 2038 views | MAK |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:21 - Sep 21 by TalkingSutty |
It's a difficult conundrum because laying a new pitch and possibly repairing drains is not only costly but time consuming. In the meantime the only viable solution is to have appropriate coverage that stops water from seeping through to the pitch. A cover that is elevated off the surface and pitched slightly so water can run off. Is there such a design and do companies sell them or hire them out long term? I think everybody associated with the club is doing the best they can. [Post edited 21 Sep 11:50]
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I think the type of 'tent' cover you describe is probably the only way to successfully prevent the ingress of water onto the pitch.
Does anyone on here know how exactly the current covers are laid? In my mind, I assume that the covers are rolled out across the width of the pitch and they have a certain degree of overlap. They aren't connected together to form a watertight sheet. If this is the case then they'll almost definitely cause more problems than solutions on a pitch that doesn't drain freely.
The pitch surface isn't flat and level, so once the waterproof cover can take no more water in a particular spot where it collects, it'll run off down the nearest slight incline. If that runs off beneath the overlapped covers, then all you end up with is large pools of water trapped underneath. Probably exactly what happened yesterday. A free draining pitch could possibly deal with it, but we dont have that luxury. The pitch drainage is the problem going forward. Yesterday's weather on top of a very wet week caused the postponement of the game. It's going to take a lot of luck with the weather to get through the next 6 months without 3 or 4 more cancelled matches using the current covers on the current pitch.
The tent type cover would protect the playing surface, but it would also send 1000s of litres of water to the sides of the pitch. The drains to the sides would then have to deal with all that water and I don't think they're currently up to the task.
Looking at the upcoming fixtures, it seems there's over 2 weeks in early October without a home game. Can some temporary works be carried out to the drainage surrounding the pitch to help get us through the rest of autumn and winter? | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:56 - Sep 21 with 1982 views | 49thseason |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 09:21 - Sep 21 by TalkingSutty |
It's a difficult conundrum because laying a new pitch and possibly repairing drains is not only costly but time consuming. In the meantime the only viable solution is to have appropriate coverage that stops water from seeping through to the pitch. A cover that is elevated off the surface and pitched slightly so water can run off. Is there such a design and do companies sell them or hire them out long term? I think everybody associated with the club is doing the best they can. [Post edited 21 Sep 11:50]
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But the water still has to go somewhere, the pitch is in the middle of a concrete bath, even if you keep it off the playing surface, it still has to get away to somewhere.. we need a whole new drainage system that takes the water out of the ground . The runoff from the covers is only going onto the perimeter track and my guess is its just adding to the total volume of water already under the pitch which in turn is simply not escaping into a main drain. |  | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:03 - Sep 21 with 1925 views | TalkingSutty |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:56 - Sep 21 by 49thseason |
But the water still has to go somewhere, the pitch is in the middle of a concrete bath, even if you keep it off the playing surface, it still has to get away to somewhere.. we need a whole new drainage system that takes the water out of the ground . The runoff from the covers is only going onto the perimeter track and my guess is its just adding to the total volume of water already under the pitch which in turn is simply not escaping into a main drain. |
But if the majority of the water runs off the covers and onto the perimeter track and surround, isn't that better than it going directly on top of the pitch and waterlogging it? Sorry if i'm missing something here. I know ideally the water all has to go somewhere but i never seem to recall the track around the pitch six inches deep in water so it must go somewhere. We know the drains are knackered but we're trying to discuss the best way of keeping rain from falling direct onto the pitch itself until the Ogden family very kindly fund a new pitch. It's a bit embarrassing that the Ogdens are having to pick up the tab for this, i feel sorry for them. [Post edited 21 Sep 17:09]
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:21 - Sep 21 with 1886 views | TVOS1907 |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:40 - Sep 21 by MAK |
I think the type of 'tent' cover you describe is probably the only way to successfully prevent the ingress of water onto the pitch.
Does anyone on here know how exactly the current covers are laid? In my mind, I assume that the covers are rolled out across the width of the pitch and they have a certain degree of overlap. They aren't connected together to form a watertight sheet. If this is the case then they'll almost definitely cause more problems than solutions on a pitch that doesn't drain freely.
The pitch surface isn't flat and level, so once the waterproof cover can take no more water in a particular spot where it collects, it'll run off down the nearest slight incline. If that runs off beneath the overlapped covers, then all you end up with is large pools of water trapped underneath. Probably exactly what happened yesterday. A free draining pitch could possibly deal with it, but we dont have that luxury. The pitch drainage is the problem going forward. Yesterday's weather on top of a very wet week caused the postponement of the game. It's going to take a lot of luck with the weather to get through the next 6 months without 3 or 4 more cancelled matches using the current covers on the current pitch.
The tent type cover would protect the playing surface, but it would also send 1000s of litres of water to the sides of the pitch. The drains to the sides would then have to deal with all that water and I don't think they're currently up to the task.
Looking at the upcoming fixtures, it seems there's over 2 weeks in early October without a home game. Can some temporary works be carried out to the drainage surrounding the pitch to help get us through the rest of autumn and winter? |
There will only be 2 weeks without a home game if we are drawn away in the FA Cup. [Post edited 21 Sep 12:23]
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:37 - Sep 21 with 1841 views | judd |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 11:40 - Sep 21 by MAK |
I think the type of 'tent' cover you describe is probably the only way to successfully prevent the ingress of water onto the pitch.
Does anyone on here know how exactly the current covers are laid? In my mind, I assume that the covers are rolled out across the width of the pitch and they have a certain degree of overlap. They aren't connected together to form a watertight sheet. If this is the case then they'll almost definitely cause more problems than solutions on a pitch that doesn't drain freely.
The pitch surface isn't flat and level, so once the waterproof cover can take no more water in a particular spot where it collects, it'll run off down the nearest slight incline. If that runs off beneath the overlapped covers, then all you end up with is large pools of water trapped underneath. Probably exactly what happened yesterday. A free draining pitch could possibly deal with it, but we dont have that luxury. The pitch drainage is the problem going forward. Yesterday's weather on top of a very wet week caused the postponement of the game. It's going to take a lot of luck with the weather to get through the next 6 months without 3 or 4 more cancelled matches using the current covers on the current pitch.
The tent type cover would protect the playing surface, but it would also send 1000s of litres of water to the sides of the pitch. The drains to the sides would then have to deal with all that water and I don't think they're currently up to the task.
Looking at the upcoming fixtures, it seems there's over 2 weeks in early October without a home game. Can some temporary works be carried out to the drainage surrounding the pitch to help get us through the rest of autumn and winter? |
Correct about the pitch covers. The overlaps are held down intermittently with sandbags.
It is difficult to know how level the covers were, as people and moppers had been used all morning, so there was some rippling of the covers but no exposure of the playing surface.
The sodden appearance of the pitch in a couple of areas was a real surprise to all. It's baffling how it has happened
Water that was emptied/brushed off the pitch all drained away. [Post edited 21 Sep 12:44]
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:40 - Sep 21 with 1836 views | 100notout |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:21 - Sep 21 by TVOS1907 |
There will only be 2 weeks without a home game if we are drawn away in the FA Cup. [Post edited 21 Sep 12:23]
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 16:01 - Sep 21 with 1588 views | jonahwhereru |
Just got back. Was in the Commrades Club when the news came through that the game was off. The self deprecating humour and banter of the crew in their managed to overcome the frustration off a 500 mile round journey only for the game to fall foul of the elements. Don’t want to point a finger at anybody for this, Noah would have struggled on the day.
Will be back up for the rearranged fixture, but that will of course be a school night for most, reducing the celebrations of a Dale success.
It was still a decent weekend. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 16:32 - Sep 21 with 1531 views | MAK |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 12:37 - Sep 21 by judd |
Correct about the pitch covers. The overlaps are held down intermittently with sandbags.
It is difficult to know how level the covers were, as people and moppers had been used all morning, so there was some rippling of the covers but no exposure of the playing surface.
The sodden appearance of the pitch in a couple of areas was a real surprise to all. It's baffling how it has happened
Water that was emptied/brushed off the pitch all drained away. [Post edited 21 Sep 12:44]
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The covers, unless they have raised edges to contain the rainwater, will likely overflow beneath adjacent covers once the collected water gets to a certain depth where it has no option but to run off. This'll happen in very specific areas based in the varying levels of the pitch, but will result in pooling that just sits there perched on the already sodden ground. Pools of water that a referee could say makes the pitch unplayable.
Just trying to think of a way of making what's available work, but if there's another similar situation, could the lapped areas be raised a little to contain the water instead of allowing it run under the covers? The moppers could run up and down between the slightly raised areas getting rid of it. Through work I've battled the elements and water in the ground for the last 25 years and know all too well how hard it is to deal with. It gets everywhere. | | | |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 19:27 - Sep 21 with 1340 views | 49thseason |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 16:32 - Sep 21 by MAK |
The covers, unless they have raised edges to contain the rainwater, will likely overflow beneath adjacent covers once the collected water gets to a certain depth where it has no option but to run off. This'll happen in very specific areas based in the varying levels of the pitch, but will result in pooling that just sits there perched on the already sodden ground. Pools of water that a referee could say makes the pitch unplayable.
Just trying to think of a way of making what's available work, but if there's another similar situation, could the lapped areas be raised a little to contain the water instead of allowing it run under the covers? The moppers could run up and down between the slightly raised areas getting rid of it. Through work I've battled the elements and water in the ground for the last 25 years and know all too well how hard it is to deal with. It gets everywhere. |
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| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 20:13 - Sep 21 with 1256 views | fermin |
| TVOS Preview - Rochdale v Southend United on 16:32 - Sep 21 by MAK |
The covers, unless they have raised edges to contain the rainwater, will likely overflow beneath adjacent covers once the collected water gets to a certain depth where it has no option but to run off. This'll happen in very specific areas based in the varying levels of the pitch, but will result in pooling that just sits there perched on the already sodden ground. Pools of water that a referee could say makes the pitch unplayable.
Just trying to think of a way of making what's available work, but if there's another similar situation, could the lapped areas be raised a little to contain the water instead of allowing it run under the covers? The moppers could run up and down between the slightly raised areas getting rid of it. Through work I've battled the elements and water in the ground for the last 25 years and know all too well how hard it is to deal with. It gets everywhere. |
As you work in this sort of area, is an attenuation tank under a new pitch a long-term solution? I have no idea how they work or how much they cost but I have heard they are used to help with flooding. |  | | |
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