| Possession…. Can do one? 09:15 - Sep 21 with 3304 views | Hoopsie |
Of 9 games played in this weekend round (less abandoned Blackburn v Ipswich), one game ended a draw and there were 8 winners, of which 6 teams won by having less possession of the ball:
Middlesbrough 41% - 2-1 home win v WBA
QPR 35% - 1-0 home win v Stoke
Wrexham 38% - 3-2 away win v Norwich
Charlton 37% - 1-0 away win v Sheffield Utd
Sheffield Wed 30% - 2-0 away win v Portsmouth
Hull 29% -3-1 home win v Southampton
Birmingham 50% 1-0 home win v Swanseas and Preston 52% 1-0 away win v Derby were the exception and even so the winners had just slightly more or equal possession of the ball.
What is this obsession of keeping the ball when
1. You score less than the opponents
2. You play everywhere except the opponents’ third
3. You lose
Even though we had less than 40% of the ball, we were more dynamic and dangerous in the attacking third than the so called in-form Stoke.
Edit:
Oxford 41% - 3-1 away win v Bristol City
Point to note - Most winners with less possession were also betting favourites to lose - Charlton, Wrexham, Hull, Sheffield Wed, Oxford and our QPR [Post edited 21 Sep 21:45]
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| Possession…. Can do one? on 09:22 - Sep 21 with 3258 views | Hunterhoop |
I said I thought football was changing on the pod. There appears to be a similar dynamic in the Prem (albeit excluding the big guns who still dominate possession by nature of having much better players). Pace, athleticism, physicality, set plays…. It feels like that is the new era and the era of ticky takka is (finally) coming to an end. |  | | |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 09:36 - Sep 21 with 3170 views | londonscottish |
I was standing in the Lower Loft and was really surprised to see that Stoke had had 67% posession in the first 30 minutes or so. It really didn't feel like that. I guess it was all sideways passes in their own third. Rangers looked by far the more
dangerous side.
Earlier in the 2nd half and it was much the same. This time I checked the shot stats and Rangers were way ahead and, despite all their passing, Stoke hadn't registerd one shot on target at that point. |  |
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| Possession…. Can do one? on 09:47 - Sep 21 with 3131 views | dm97 |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 09:22 - Sep 21 by Hunterhoop |
I said I thought football was changing on the pod. There appears to be a similar dynamic in the Prem (albeit excluding the big guns who still dominate possession by nature of having much better players). Pace, athleticism, physicality, set plays…. It feels like that is the new era and the era of ticky takka is (finally) coming to an end. |
Totally agree. Pep himself called it last season that it’s all about “transitions” now - which for the normals among us is counter attacking football. Our current front 4 showing why it’s so effective when done well. |  | | |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 10:16 - Sep 21 with 3026 views | ozexile |
Thank God for that. It always made zero sense to me to continually start on your own goal line having to get past 11 set players. |  | | |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 10:20 - Sep 21 with 3010 views | loftus77 |
Wild Thing - he knew.... | | | |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 10:42 - Sep 21 with 2934 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Possession football will always be around, but it'll only be the better teams that can do it well.
It's madness to think players with less ability can play like Spain or Barcelona 15 years ago. Play to your strengths.
There is a caveat though, look at Brentford. I don't think they have scored a goal that hasn't come from a set piece this season and they are struggling big time.
I like the way we are playing at the moment with lots of variation. Sometimes direct - Kone setting up Burrells chance 2nd half and then other times on the deck - Saitos run leading to Vales goal.
We are early 90s Rangers under Gerry. Love it.
One other thing it is going to highlight and expose, as teams become more direct, is the ball playing CB who can't defend properly and smaller GKs who can't dominate their box.
Looks like we got Steve Bould in just in time. | |
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| Possession…. Can do one? on 12:26 - Sep 21 with 2713 views | charmr |
Possession with purpose grasshopper | | | |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 12:43 - Sep 21 with 2637 views | kensalriser |
Possession stats should really be split in to own half and opponent's half.
Also, more evidence from yesterday on the nonsense of xG. Stoke's xG was 1.1 against 1.05 for us. On the face of it, OK, close match decided by one goal. But then, shots on goal: Stoke 7 off target, 1 on, QPR 14 off target, 7 on. |  |
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| Possession…. Can do one? on 13:01 - Sep 21 with 2573 views | W7Ranger |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 12:43 - Sep 21 by kensalriser |
Possession stats should really be split in to own half and opponent's half.
Also, more evidence from yesterday on the nonsense of xG. Stoke's xG was 1.1 against 1.05 for us. On the face of it, OK, close match decided by one goal. But then, shots on goal: Stoke 7 off target, 1 on, QPR 14 off target, 7 on. |
I noticed that yesterday and I don't understand how the fk that works or is calculated.
But that's changed this morning, as now it says QPR's xG is 1.33 and Stoke's is 1.08 ??!!
On the possession front, I now believe that in our last 8 wins stretching back to last season, we've had less possession in every single one of those games!
So, possession isn't king, quite the opposite in fact.
More of the same please...
Unfortunately Sheff Weds are most definitely our current bogey team!
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| Possession…. Can do one? on 13:19 - Sep 21 with 2493 views | Myke |
But if this reaches a natural conclusion and NEITHER team wants to dominate the ball, what happens then? 'After you' 'No, after you', "No I insist' 'It's your turn'. | | | |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 21:52 - Sep 21 with 2100 views | Hoopsie |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 13:19 - Sep 21 by Myke |
But if this reaches a natural conclusion and NEITHER team wants to dominate the ball, what happens then? 'After you' 'No, after you', "No I insist' 'It's your turn'. |
It is more of if you do take the ball, pass it forward into your opponents half and try to score a goal, rather than hold on to the ball in your own half playing tiki taka trying to “draw” out the opponents to “find” loose space - problem is most high press will break your possession and put your defence under duress | |
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| Possession…. Can do one? on 22:25 - Sep 21 with 1965 views | CiderwithRsie |
God knows I know nothing about tactics, but for ages (literally years, I think) I've noticed that having more possession didn't match up with dominance.
I don't share the complete derision for tikataka common on here. When really great teams played that way then at worst they're hard to score against cos you can't score without the ball and at best they pull opponents out of position and make chances.
But when great sides play direct football that also works because they are always going to get some possession, they will use it to attack the goal, and they have the quality to make it count.
Like most of life, it ain't what you do it's the way that you do it.
But a mediocre side playing with energy and determination is still worth watching, a mediocre side trying to play tikataka is at best boring and at worse falls flat on it's face. | | | |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 22:41 - Sep 21 with 1870 views | ChrisNW6 |
Under Warbs, I remember one game at home we had the ball for about 3mins and played some lovely stuff, without creating anything. At the time we were full on 'Ole' for every touch.
Now I'm thinking, give me 3mins of yesterday's game. We looked much more attacking and the closing down was brilliant.
I think we have a great balance now and can keep possession if needed but the slow build up can do one! | | | |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 22:44 - Sep 21 with 1859 views | Myke |
Didn’t we get beat 3-0 at Cardiff a few years ago with 80% possession or something of that ilk. Warnock was their manager at the time, wily old fox | | | |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 22:56 - Sep 21 with 1820 views | connell10 |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 09:22 - Sep 21 by Hunterhoop |
I said I thought football was changing on the pod. There appears to be a similar dynamic in the Prem (albeit excluding the big guns who still dominate possession by nature of having much better players). Pace, athleticism, physicality, set plays…. It feels like that is the new era and the era of ticky takka is (finally) coming to an end. |
Thank God. |  |
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| Possession…. Can do one? on 20:31 - Sep 22 with 1034 views | izlingtonhoop |
All very well, but the op hasn't published what percentage of possession the losing teams had... |  | | |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 21:46 - Sep 22 with 890 views | OldPedro |
| Possession…. Can do one? on 13:19 - Sep 21 by Myke |
But if this reaches a natural conclusion and NEITHER team wants to dominate the ball, what happens then? 'After you' 'No, after you', "No I insist' 'It's your turn'. |
I think it turns into QPR V Oxford 1st half at Loftus Road last season |  |
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| Possession…. Can do one? on 22:33 - Sep 22 with 825 views | NW5Hoop |
The reason teams are happy without possession – at least this was the Pulis and Mourinho logic, when they started doing it 20 years ago – is that you can't make mistakes on the ball if you don't have possession, and it is mistakes that are more likely to result in goals – misplaced passes, caught in possession etc. The logic behind Stoke's willingness to go for throws and take them long was not just about attacking threat, it was about using up time. If you are an underdog team, the less time the ball spends in play, the better it is for you. I remember being appalled when I read a book about coaching that went into it all. | | | |
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