| Elephant 🐘 in the room. 06:04 - Sep 28 with 2561 views | Swans9 |
It amazes me how bias some club commentators and fans can be. We all are loyal to our clubs but it is good to listen to other clubs views. Millwall just mentioned their manager 100 times during the game instead of watching the game. Their players saw the ref was indecisive so they went through the back of our our players 7 times and got no yellow. As for the pen it followed the ref inibility to make a decision all game. |  | | |  |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 13:39 - Sep 28 with 703 views | grabsplatter |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 13:23 - Sep 28 by jackal |
The guy flew in recklessly and cleared him out. No contact at all with the ball'
In the Brentford Man U game there was a similar incident to our first penalty shout with the defender pulling back the United player.
Result, red card and penalty. |
The ref gave Utd the penalty but the Brentford defender wasn't given a red card (even though he should have been) |  | | |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 13:40 - Sep 28 with 695 views | jack247 |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 13:30 - Sep 28 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
It’s been this way for years though. The odd mistake can be excused as human error, we all make mistakes. But the officials are generally incompetent and inconsistent. If they were any good in the first place we wouldn’t need VAR. |
That’s another interesting point. I know most people don’t like VAR, but if it’s here to stay, surely a league as big as the championship merits it | | | |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 13:43 - Sep 28 with 680 views | Fireboy2 |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 08:44 - Sep 28 by jack247 |
Can you keep your racist bullshit to one thread please? It ruins too many. |
It isn't racist, its xenophobic. |  | | |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 13:44 - Sep 28 with 676 views | jackal |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 13:39 - Sep 28 by grabsplatter |
The ref gave Utd the penalty but the Brentford defender wasn't given a red card (even though he should have been) |
My apologies, I was confused with the Chelsea game |  | | |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 13:47 - Sep 28 with 667 views | Fireboy2 |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 10:49 - Sep 28 by RichardO |
The season we got promoted under Rodgers we had decisions go our way repeatedly why maybe because we were deemed a far better footballing team and the refs giving us the benefit of the doubt sure as the season goes on we will get more going our way by virtue of the number of wrong decision so far this season.
Bias yes but nothing to do with racism [Post edited 28 Sep 11:42]
|
We were the better footballing team yesterday.
If we had a more competent ref we would have won by more more than 2 and millwall would have finished with at least 1 less player. | | | |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 13:51 - Sep 28 with 658 views | Fireboy2 |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 12:19 - Sep 28 by TheAlpineShrew |
Surely this boils down to the law of large numbers, where over a period of time the decisions in favour and against even themselves out?
Or is that too simplistic a view? |
UJ mentioned that yesterday.
If thats the case im going to keep tabs on how many penalties we get that arent, how many goals we get that are offside and how many opposition players get sent off that didnt deserve it.
And I hope that all this happens in the cup game against citeh 😃👍 | | | |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 16:19 - Sep 28 with 545 views | JJBomber |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 08:15 - Sep 28 by trampie |
The elephant in the room is English officials officiating games between a Welsh team and an English team, I reckon it costs the Swans and other Welsh teams about 3pts a season, which could cost them promotion or cause relegation. |
Cardiff got a penalty yesterday and the Wigan player had a red card. If only we'd have had that referee! | | | |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 16:25 - Sep 28 with 526 views | Whiterockin |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 16:19 - Sep 28 by JJBomber |
Cardiff got a penalty yesterday and the Wigan player had a red card. If only we'd have had that referee! |
We would be in Leage One. |  | | |
Login to get fewer ads
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 16:44 - Sep 28 with 474 views | trampie |
If there was no issue why were Welsh refs not appointed to officiate a Welsh club against an English club in the league.
I'm sure I can remember Johnny Tosh off about it being a disadvantage for Welsh teams. |  |
| |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 16:50 - Sep 28 with 461 views | union_jack |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 16:44 - Sep 28 by trampie |
If there was no issue why were Welsh refs not appointed to officiate a Welsh club against an English club in the league.
I'm sure I can remember Johnny Tosh off about it being a disadvantage for Welsh teams. |
Maybe they thought they’d all be if the same mentality as you! |  |
| |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 16:56 - Sep 28 with 436 views | trampie |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 16:50 - Sep 28 by union_jack |
Maybe they thought they’d all be if the same mentality as you! |
Taking everything into consideration the Welsh teams get very few wrong decisions in their favour and lots of wrong decisions against them, its the officials that make those decisions, it might be just 1 or 2 a season that are actualy biased but that could be enough for Welsh teams to lose 2 or 3 points a season which could be crucial as regards their league position. | |
| |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 16:58 - Sep 28 with 419 views | trampie |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 12:19 - Sep 28 by TheAlpineShrew |
Surely this boils down to the law of large numbers, where over a period of time the decisions in favour and against even themselves out?
Or is that too simplistic a view? |
That is absolutely rubbish I'm afraid, I would love it to be the case. | |
| |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:04 - Sep 28 with 416 views | trampie |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 13:40 - Sep 28 by jack247 |
That’s another interesting point. I know most people don’t like VAR, but if it’s here to stay, surely a league as big as the championship merits it |
VAR good for Welsh teams, I'm a massive fan of it, the rest of the World tend to use it correctly, English officials have not got a clue how to use it as I don't think they know the rules half the time truth be said and they just make things up as they go along. | |
| |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:10 - Sep 28 with 398 views | trampie |
No excuse for the Swans not getting a penalty late on in the match yesterday, ref must have been looking at it, no wrestling, no half a dozen of one, six of the other, no crowd of players to distract him or get in the way, ref must have been following the flight of the ball so must have seen a two handed push on the Swansea player, there is no reason for him not to give the penalty that I can see, some might say unless he did not want the Welsh team to win that is. [Post edited 28 Sep 17:12]
| |
| |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:17 - Sep 28 with 373 views | trampie |
Newcastle v Arsenal game on now, Newcastle keeper brings down Arsenal centre forward, Arsenal forward got to the ball first and was brought down no penalty awarded, if Newcastle keeper had got a touch on the ball first fine but he didn't, I'm not convinced the ball flicked the goalies leg after the Arsenal player knocked it passed him, a mute point as the forward was taken out after winning the ball, should have been a penalty, English VAR say no penalty. | |
| |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:20 - Sep 28 with 361 views | union_jack |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:10 - Sep 28 by trampie |
No excuse for the Swans not getting a penalty late on in the match yesterday, ref must have been looking at it, no wrestling, no half a dozen of one, six of the other, no crowd of players to distract him or get in the way, ref must have been following the flight of the ball so must have seen a two handed push on the Swansea player, there is no reason for him not to give the penalty that I can see, some might say unless he did not want the Welsh team to win that is. [Post edited 28 Sep 17:12]
|
Look, like you we are all fed up with the ref seeing things that don’t happen go against us and not seeing things like yesterday. But your last sentence reeks of small mindedness and insecurity. Grow a pair, all clubs experience these things regardless of where they come from. It’s noticeable to us because it’s happened a few games in succession. It won’t be because we are a Welsh club!
If you want to add one more piece of incompetence to your gripe list, you may have noticed that he blew the whistle 4 secs from the end. We had a throw and if we’d got it into the box (that’s a huge ‘if’ of course) we may have had one more opportunity as he shouldn’t blow if there’s a chance to score. All ‘if’s and buts’ though [Post edited 28 Sep 17:24]
| |
| |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:35 - Sep 28 with 312 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 13:38 - Sep 28 by jack247 |
Mary Whitehouse has had a pint |
I asked you to condemn it but this is beyond you. It would make you physically ill to roundly condemn English morons singing Anti Welsh filth.
I think I kind of understand that you are possibly of English heritage while being notional Welsh. It is not easy to find bad mouth the people of your ancestors.
I find patriotism a of all type a bit cringey to be honest but at the same time will not accept eithnic slurs. The reluctance of even Welsh patriots to agree with me is downright weird. They want to agree but prefer it to be private.
This sort of explains my memorable POTY win of 2023 which was by anonymous vote . |  |
| |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:44 - Sep 28 with 283 views | trampie |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:20 - Sep 28 by union_jack |
Look, like you we are all fed up with the ref seeing things that don’t happen go against us and not seeing things like yesterday. But your last sentence reeks of small mindedness and insecurity. Grow a pair, all clubs experience these things regardless of where they come from. It’s noticeable to us because it’s happened a few games in succession. It won’t be because we are a Welsh club!
If you want to add one more piece of incompetence to your gripe list, you may have noticed that he blew the whistle 4 secs from the end. We had a throw and if we’d got it into the box (that’s a huge ‘if’ of course) we may have had one more opportunity as he shouldn’t blow if there’s a chance to score. All ‘if’s and buts’ though [Post edited 28 Sep 17:24]
|
The point is some clubs (often same teams) get the majority of wrong decisions in their favour while the likes of some other clubs get the majority of wrong decisions go against them, the last 'real table' I seen it was either Swansea or Cardiff in the Premier League at the time, I got a feeling it was Swansea did not have a single wrong decision in their favour and it was March time, season
nearly over, near enough double figures for wrong decisions against (I think it was 7 - goals wrongly disallowed and goals wrongly allowed), ex Prem ref looked at every 'goal decision' on video if I remember. | |
| |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:49 - Sep 28 with 279 views | Whiterockin |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:20 - Sep 28 by union_jack |
Look, like you we are all fed up with the ref seeing things that don’t happen go against us and not seeing things like yesterday. But your last sentence reeks of small mindedness and insecurity. Grow a pair, all clubs experience these things regardless of where they come from. It’s noticeable to us because it’s happened a few games in succession. It won’t be because we are a Welsh club!
If you want to add one more piece of incompetence to your gripe list, you may have noticed that he blew the whistle 4 secs from the end. We had a throw and if we’d got it into the box (that’s a huge ‘if’ of course) we may have had one more opportunity as he shouldn’t blow if there’s a chance to score. All ‘if’s and buts’ though [Post edited 28 Sep 17:24]
|
We all remember the decisions or lack of them that go against us, but conveniently forget the ones that "could have gone either way" in our favour. | | | |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:56 - Sep 28 with 247 views | Fireboy2 |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:49 - Sep 28 by Whiterockin |
We all remember the decisions or lack of them that go against us, but conveniently forget the ones that "could have gone either way" in our favour. |
How many have those have we had this season? | | | |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:58 - Sep 28 with 242 views | trampie |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:49 - Sep 28 by Whiterockin |
We all remember the decisions or lack of them that go against us, but conveniently forget the ones that "could have gone either way" in our favour. |
Nonsense argument, it's like been in the North of Ireland in 1969 one lot having their homes burnt and somebody like you saying it needs to be remembered that a teenager from that side through a stone in responce. [Post edited 28 Sep 18:01]
| |
| |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:59 - Sep 28 with 245 views | jack247 |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:35 - Sep 28 by ReslovenSwan1 |
I asked you to condemn it but this is beyond you. It would make you physically ill to roundly condemn English morons singing Anti Welsh filth.
I think I kind of understand that you are possibly of English heritage while being notional Welsh. It is not easy to find bad mouth the people of your ancestors.
I find patriotism a of all type a bit cringey to be honest but at the same time will not accept eithnic slurs. The reluctance of even Welsh patriots to agree with me is downright weird. They want to agree but prefer it to be private.
This sort of explains my memorable POTY win of 2023 which was by anonymous vote . |
I’m not going to condemn it because I don’t care. I won’t apologise for singing songs taunting them every time they fail at a major tournament either. I doubt many English people would expect me to.
I have no English heritage at all, I’m just not a wet blanket. Very odd of you to assume that.
Patriotism is fine, but I agree it can go too far. In my book, the likes of yourself and Trampie are no different to people from Swansea who support Rangers, will turn up at the Wrexham game with Union Jacks and wish they were English. Opposite sides of the same coin. | | | |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 18:27 - Sep 28 with 202 views | Whiterockin |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:56 - Sep 28 by Fireboy2 |
How many have those have we had this season? |
I'm sure we have had two where their player went down in the box and there was contact. General concensus around me was I've seen those given. I'm sure Cabango was involved in one. | | | |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 18:42 - Sep 28 with 172 views | union_jack |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 17:59 - Sep 28 by jack247 |
I’m not going to condemn it because I don’t care. I won’t apologise for singing songs taunting them every time they fail at a major tournament either. I doubt many English people would expect me to.
I have no English heritage at all, I’m just not a wet blanket. Very odd of you to assume that.
Patriotism is fine, but I agree it can go too far. In my book, the likes of yourself and Trampie are no different to people from Swansea who support Rangers, will turn up at the Wrexham game with Union Jacks and wish they were English. Opposite sides of the same coin. |
I’m not sure how many Swans fans support Rangers but may have an association with them that they prefer to be regarded as British. And I’m sure they don’t wish they were English but just proud they are British first and foremost. Nothing wrong in that at all. | |
| |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 18:54 - Sep 28 with 154 views | jack247 |
| Elephant 🐘 in the room. on 18:42 - Sep 28 by union_jack |
I’m not sure how many Swans fans support Rangers but may have an association with them that they prefer to be regarded as British. And I’m sure they don’t wish they were English but just proud they are British first and foremost. Nothing wrong in that at all. |
We’ll have to agree to disagree on people from Swansea who follow Rangers as a second team because of what they represent.
It’s a step further than being proud to be British as I’m sure you know.
I’m not going to get into this though, a ‘patriotism’ argument is exactly what Trampie wabts. | | | |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
