| Oxford Utd Reflection 22:21 - Oct 1 with 22228 views | bluenwhite10 |
One of those games where you expect 3 points, but didn’t create enough to deserve 3 points and fair play to Oxford as they did what they had to do very well.
I can’t honestly remember either keeper making a save in the game:
The starting line up lacked a bit of creativity with Hayden and Field in the middle a kind of pairing you would go with in an away game against one of the top teams not in a game you are expected to dominate and win.
I will say we did get into some strong crossing positions but the balls never got past the 1st defender.
A bit disappointed tonight in the fact we lacked that cutting edge …MOM …nobody stood out but will go with Norrington-Davies |  | | |  |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:42 - Oct 2 with 1927 views | E15Hoop |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:23 - Oct 2 by Benny_the_Ball |
Little to reflect upon. The very epitome of a 'Bore Draw'. |
Not that I understand how this works, but according to Steve Brown on Radio London, our xG last night was 0.015, whilst Oxford's was a record breaking 0.00!  |  | | |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:43 - Oct 2 with 1918 views | PhilmyRs |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:38 - Oct 2 by Benny_the_Ball |
The trouble is we said that after Saturday. 'Beat Oxford and the point at Sheffield Wednesday is a good one'. |
Fair point, but I think our record is one of the worst in the 3rd game of a 3 match game week so if we were able to get a win, that would at least suggest some progress on that front. I'm not confident mind, and think going out all guns blazing last night would have been better option. | | | |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:57 - Oct 2 with 1834 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 11:59 - Oct 2 by karlski |
Argh that Smyth cut back opportunity after the most creative pass of the match from Madsen is terrorizing me in quieter moments - that was THE chance.
Agree that's not the most creative quadrant. Still finding out the combos that work in this squad.
Two games we'll look back on and think we should have won. |
"Argh that Smyth cut back opportunity after the most creative pass of the match from Madsen is terrorizing me in quieter moments - that was THE chance."
Kone did a dance/tantrum that had me in stitches.
Like a two-year old!
I have to watch it back. |  |
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| Oxford Utd Reflection on 13:18 - Oct 2 with 1760 views | BklynRanger |
I thought it was bad, but not as bad as that XG thing suggests.
Playing with that midfield was always going to mean we relied more on the two wingers and the two frontmen. But Dembele went in and out of the game, two great balls in, some nice touches but he loses form/touch/timing for 10-15 min stretches almost every half. Needs to sort that.
Vale was good again in a quiet way, Frey is still getting back to his own level of form and fitness, and Kone looked out of sorts for much of it to me. Thought the back 4 were all decent, but not much stuck first half up front and things were again disjointed going forwards in both halfs. |  | | |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 14:02 - Oct 2 with 1679 views | BrizR |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 13:18 - Oct 2 by BklynRanger |
I thought it was bad, but not as bad as that XG thing suggests.
Playing with that midfield was always going to mean we relied more on the two wingers and the two frontmen. But Dembele went in and out of the game, two great balls in, some nice touches but he loses form/touch/timing for 10-15 min stretches almost every half. Needs to sort that.
Vale was good again in a quiet way, Frey is still getting back to his own level of form and fitness, and Kone looked out of sorts for much of it to me. Thought the back 4 were all decent, but not much stuck first half up front and things were again disjointed going forwards in both halfs. |
I think if we were resting Madsen we really needed to play Morgan in there instead. Throughout the first half we struggled to get the ball out of defence at all and a more technically capable player would have helped.
Down the wings I thought RND did well last night and showed more as an attacker than he has done, and Jimmy was on better form too, but in the middle we were so slow and lumbering. Madsen and Saito coming on had an immediate impact. | | | |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 14:02 - Oct 2 with 1679 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 08:20 - Oct 2 by Logman |
I thought the execution was OK. I remember when we played Oxford last year they charged around at 100 mph for an hour and it wasn't until they tired after an hour that we were able to get our noses in front. Well it was pretty much a similar story last night, with us trying to overload on them up front and then bringing on our whippets when they were going to tire.
Credit has to go to Oxford. They defended really well and were not too bad at bringing the ball out and being dangerous on the counter. They were far from the 'piss-poor' which I have read on here. |
Yes, people see a league position, make wrong assumptions about how bad a side are and get disappointed by the result. Oxford defended well. They have some good defenders. They were better than Sheff Utd but lost 1-0. The rest of their recent results are probably as good as ours, as far as we can tell at this early stage. | | | |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 14:11 - Oct 2 with 1650 views | LongRanger |
Very disappointing result, as Oxford were so poor and should go down this year, but they clearly set out for a clean sheet, with anything more being a bonus. Ultimately JS got it wrong, Hayden and Field are too similar, make the same runs, and in the end neither are effective, the wingers were too narrow and Frey and Kone aren't going to work together. Frey had 30mins in him, so shouldn't have started, he did ok for 30mins, but was then cooked, should have been coming on after 60mins.
One of those results, hugely frustrating but we take the point and move on. | | | |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 14:44 - Oct 2 with 1576 views | Paddyhoops |
I thinks it’s progress that Madsen is now the answer to a lot of our problems rather than poor vilified soul he was a few short weeks ago .
That in itself is a win from last night.
I thought Oxford defended excellently last night. They did didn’t have a lot else. | | | |
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| Oxford Utd Reflection on 14:54 - Oct 2 with 1552 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:42 - Oct 2 by E15Hoop |
Not that I understand how this works, but according to Steve Brown on Radio London, our xG last night was 0.015, whilst Oxford's was a record breaking 0.00! |
Opta have it 0.77 to 0.40 but they somehow missed two shots on target by Frey that the goalkeeper had to save. The BBC have it 0.8 to 0.37 but us with only one shot on target which is also wrong. Perhaps it was a boring match compared with recent home games. But I didn't see those and last night I thought we played OK. Normal QPR imo. Oxford just good at defending on the night and us not quite with enough to break through. At Bristol City presumably they'll attack us more and we'll have less of the ball but better scoring chances. That's the championship, win or lose like a toss of a coin. | | | |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 14:55 - Oct 2 with 1546 views | derbyhoop |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 09:10 - Oct 2 by Beckenhamhoop |
Picking Field and Hayden together was not a selection based on winning a football match rather it was made simply to appease two senior members of the squad who weren’t getting any minutes in the team and hoping everything would work out. |
It was a stodge. Neither are creative so we were ways going to struggle to cut open a well organised defensive side. I don't think it's a selection JS will use much in the future. Maybe if we're winning by the odd goal away from home. |  |
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| Oxford Utd Reflection on 15:08 - Oct 2 with 1529 views | Spaghetti_Hoops |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 02:16 - Oct 2 by stainrods_elbow |
What about aspiration - is that a 'schoolboy error' too? |
Aspiration's good but all 24 teams and their supporters have aspirations. We are all fighting each other trying to climb higher up the greasy pole at the others expense. Extra aspiration doesn't get us anywhere. What we need is a superb manager and coaches who for whatever reason want to work for a club with a limited budget, some way of tempting better players to QPR for ordinary money and a lot of luck.
Now if you can come up with the answers to these things you would find us all ears and I promise we would all heap praise upon you. [Post edited 2 Oct 15:10]
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| Oxford Utd Reflection on 15:51 - Oct 2 with 1429 views | kensalriser |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 11:01 - Oct 2 by francisbowles |
You're comparing pineapples and cooking apples.
One is sweet and easy to eat the other is bitter but far more adaptable.
If you watch the old games from the 70's on ITV 4, it's a different sport. The pace is totally different, space is much easier to find. The modern game is intense, passing lanes are shut down, players are able to drop back and double up on wingers.
If the 75/76 squad, at the age, in the condition and with squad they then had, were to compete in the current championship, they would be annihilated. They would struggle with the pace, dead on their feet by half time and if they had somehow managed to keep the score down would be heavily defeated by the end.
I mean no disrespect to the 75/76 team. They excelled in their era, albeit only really for one season, were ahead of their time in terms of tactics and passing and are my heroes. |
Just to put this in perspective, that was half a century ago. Imagine if during that period we were listening to someone constantly harking back to the 1920s. Grandad's telling us the same old story again. Wonderful, but we know everything about it already and it's completely irrelevant today. [Post edited 2 Oct 15:51]
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| Oxford Utd Reflection on 16:23 - Oct 2 with 1342 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 06:38 - Oct 2 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Biggest load of bollox you've written since yesterday.
Perhaps listen to Phil Parkes discussing players who played when they were injured, taking cortisol injections or hiding injuries. Crippled today. He was lucky yet still has two new knees and a hip.
Fitness levels are miles higher than then as well, meaning any small injury or fatigue can have a huge impact on performance level.
The club has safe guarding and welfare guidelines they have to follow as well.
You only come on here when the team don't play well. Didn't see you post very much after beating Charlton, Wrexham and Stoke. |
You're the one talking bollix. How many players from that glorious QPR era are 'cripples', as you ludicrously claim? You need to read my namesake Simon Stainrod's interviews, where he speaks about how the less-cosseted players of the 80s having stronger characters, forged by their physical resilience. Pat Nevin's biog - an incredibly fit player who played an extraordinarily dense number of matches - is another case in point, who as far as I know is still walking around reasonably comfortably.
A piece of advice re critical thinking: Try and think about how your mind might have been impacted by incrementally downwardly managed expectations over the years (or perhaps you've just not been a fan for long enough to take a long view of these things). [Post edited 2 Oct 17:22]
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| Oxford Utd Reflection on 16:24 - Oct 2 with 1367 views | Beckenhamhoop |
On a slight tangent can I ask what websites people use for detailed stats analysis of our games and players? | | | |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 16:30 - Oct 2 with 1325 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 10:01 - Oct 2 by terryb |
Good luck with getting a reply to this as I've pointed it out numerous times but SE refuses to answer! Every team carried out this practice & I personally knew players who were totally f***** by their early 30's.
It may be irrelevant, but the players also didn't endure the pre/post match warm up/down, that must be the equivalent of playing nearly an extra half! You can't cheat in these! |
In an unfortunate counter-example for my interlocutors, Stan the Man famously used to turn up for games out of the bookies just in time to get stripped (though he reportedly always trained hard) - and the only thing wrong with him at the end was his poor brain. [Post edited 2 Oct 17:00]
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| Oxford Utd Reflection on 16:34 - Oct 2 with 1321 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 11:01 - Oct 2 by francisbowles |
You're comparing pineapples and cooking apples.
One is sweet and easy to eat the other is bitter but far more adaptable.
If you watch the old games from the 70's on ITV 4, it's a different sport. The pace is totally different, space is much easier to find. The modern game is intense, passing lanes are shut down, players are able to drop back and double up on wingers.
If the 75/76 squad, at the age, in the condition and with squad they then had, were to compete in the current championship, they would be annihilated. They would struggle with the pace, dead on their feet by half time and if they had somehow managed to keep the score down would be heavily defeated by the end.
I mean no disrespect to the 75/76 team. They excelled in their era, albeit only really for one season, were ahead of their time in terms of tactics and passing and are my heroes. |
I completely disagree. The 75/76 team would have wiped the floor with most modern teams. It had guts and physicality aplenty, as well as outstanding skills. | |
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| Oxford Utd Reflection on 16:39 - Oct 2 with 1308 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:21 - Oct 2 by E15Hoop |
Yes it is, when these so-called "aspirations" clearly have no basis in objective reality, which yours don't.
You seem to enjoy labouring under the mistaken belief that we are "entitled" to more than we're currently getting, and boring everyone to death with your completely unfounded assertions, when Clive, Kieran Maguire and others have spent a lot of time demonstrating that we are pretty much exactly where we "should" be given our resources.
I would normally at this point advise you to "lighten up" before you do yourself some permanent emotional and psychological damage, but, alas, I fear you are already too far gone in that regard..  |
Your supercilious, smug, debate-stifling garbage is just plain embarrassing, not to mention your linguistic manipulation - I wrote about 'aspiration' and 'dreaming harder', not 'entitlement'.
Your assertion that Clive W or anyone can work out by some kind of algorithmic/visionary journalism where we 'should' be, given our 'resources', is just risible, as well as tedious, and, in fandom terms, joyless. By many pre-season accounts (to which Clive may have contributed - I can't remember, as it's really just entertaining speculation not some kind of privileged prognostication), Birmingham and Wrexham were set to wipe the floor, because of their spending. Guess what, though - they're not! I've also supplied other data on other posts to illustrate how imperfect, and sometimes even inverse, that supposed correlation is (cf. the rise and fall of Luton FC), which obviously you're too prejudiced or closed-minded to read.
Football, and football message boards, is a game of opinions. I've been watching (and sometimes writing) about it and QPR for nearly half a century, so don't embarrass yourself by talking to me about the supposed adults in the room 'putting me straight' like you're the lieutnant of some seedy cult. You just make yourself sound like a dipstick, but sadly you're too far gone yourself to see it. If and when you come back and talk to me like an adult, engaging properly with my own arguments and data, I'll think about giving you the time of day. Until then, run along to your next cult/playgroup meeting! [Post edited 2 Oct 18:15]
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| Oxford Utd Reflection on 16:41 - Oct 2 with 1302 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 15:08 - Oct 2 by Spaghetti_Hoops |
Aspiration's good but all 24 teams and their supporters have aspirations. We are all fighting each other trying to climb higher up the greasy pole at the others expense. Extra aspiration doesn't get us anywhere. What we need is a superb manager and coaches who for whatever reason want to work for a club with a limited budget, some way of tempting better players to QPR for ordinary money and a lot of luck.
Now if you can come up with the answers to these things you would find us all ears and I promise we would all heap praise upon you. [Post edited 2 Oct 15:10]
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Thanks for missing my point and asking me for something that's impossible to deliver. Anyone anything worthwhile to say? | |
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| Oxford Utd Reflection on 16:59 - Oct 2 with 1233 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 15:51 - Oct 2 by kensalriser |
Just to put this in perspective, that was half a century ago. Imagine if during that period we were listening to someone constantly harking back to the 1920s. Grandad's telling us the same old story again. Wonderful, but we know everything about it already and it's completely irrelevant today. [Post edited 2 Oct 15:51]
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It's not completely irrelevant - you're just someone who stupidly/arrogantly thinks they have nothing to learn from the past. Football has evolved in some ways, but it hasn't fundamentally changed - it's just now much more 'managed'. Your lack of critical thinking is the issue here, not my arguments. | |
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| Oxford Utd Reflection on 17:35 - Oct 2 with 1164 views | BklynRanger |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 16:39 - Oct 2 by stainrods_elbow |
Your supercilious, smug, debate-stifling garbage is just plain embarrassing, not to mention your linguistic manipulation - I wrote about 'aspiration' and 'dreaming harder', not 'entitlement'.
Your assertion that Clive W or anyone can work out by some kind of algorithmic/visionary journalism where we 'should' be, given our 'resources', is just risible, as well as tedious, and, in fandom terms, joyless. By many pre-season accounts (to which Clive may have contributed - I can't remember, as it's really just entertaining speculation not some kind of privileged prognostication), Birmingham and Wrexham were set to wipe the floor, because of their spending. Guess what, though - they're not! I've also supplied other data on other posts to illustrate how imperfect, and sometimes even inverse, that supposed correlation is (cf. the rise and fall of Luton FC), which obviously you're too prejudiced or closed-minded to read.
Football, and football message boards, is a game of opinions. I've been watching (and sometimes writing) about it and QPR for nearly half a century, so don't embarrass yourself by talking to me about the supposed adults in the room 'putting me straight' like you're the lieutnant of some seedy cult. You just make yourself sound like a dipstick, but sadly you're too far gone yourself to see it. If and when you come back and talk to me like an adult, engaging properly with my own arguments and data, I'll think about giving you the time of day. Until then, run along to your next cult/playgroup meeting! [Post edited 2 Oct 18:15]
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I'm bookmarking that one. That's pure gold! | | | |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 18:03 - Oct 2 with 1104 views | E15Hoop |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 17:35 - Oct 2 by BklynRanger |
I'm bookmarking that one. That's pure gold! |
If I politely suggested that one area he might like to "improve" on his journey to "perfection" is how he handles interpersonal relations, BR, how do you think he's likely to respond?  | | | |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 18:41 - Oct 2 with 1028 views | dmm |
Stainrods elbow's narcissism is getting worse. His pompous opinion of himself is only exceeded by the disdain he has for others.
It's sad to witness the obvious pleasure he gets from writing posts like those above on a messageboard that thrives when communication is made in good faith.
No doubt he'll reply to this with more bile and contempt. |  | | |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 18:44 - Oct 2 with 1018 views | Northernr |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 16:23 - Oct 2 by stainrods_elbow |
You're the one talking bollix. How many players from that glorious QPR era are 'cripples', as you ludicrously claim? You need to read my namesake Simon Stainrod's interviews, where he speaks about how the less-cosseted players of the 80s having stronger characters, forged by their physical resilience. Pat Nevin's biog - an incredibly fit player who played an extraordinarily dense number of matches - is another case in point, who as far as I know is still walking around reasonably comfortably.
A piece of advice re critical thinking: Try and think about how your mind might have been impacted by incrementally downwardly managed expectations over the years (or perhaps you've just not been a fan for long enough to take a long view of these things). [Post edited 2 Oct 17:22]
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PAT NEVIN KLAXON.
Shots. |  | | |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 18:49 - Oct 2 with 1001 views | Northernr |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 16:39 - Oct 2 by stainrods_elbow |
Your supercilious, smug, debate-stifling garbage is just plain embarrassing, not to mention your linguistic manipulation - I wrote about 'aspiration' and 'dreaming harder', not 'entitlement'.
Your assertion that Clive W or anyone can work out by some kind of algorithmic/visionary journalism where we 'should' be, given our 'resources', is just risible, as well as tedious, and, in fandom terms, joyless. By many pre-season accounts (to which Clive may have contributed - I can't remember, as it's really just entertaining speculation not some kind of privileged prognostication), Birmingham and Wrexham were set to wipe the floor, because of their spending. Guess what, though - they're not! I've also supplied other data on other posts to illustrate how imperfect, and sometimes even inverse, that supposed correlation is (cf. the rise and fall of Luton FC), which obviously you're too prejudiced or closed-minded to read.
Football, and football message boards, is a game of opinions. I've been watching (and sometimes writing) about it and QPR for nearly half a century, so don't embarrass yourself by talking to me about the supposed adults in the room 'putting me straight' like you're the lieutnant of some seedy cult. You just make yourself sound like a dipstick, but sadly you're too far gone yourself to see it. If and when you come back and talk to me like an adult, engaging properly with my own arguments and data, I'll think about giving you the time of day. Until then, run along to your next cult/playgroup meeting! [Post edited 2 Oct 18:15]
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I would have thought such a skilled and diligent editor as you, with your eye for detail, would have at least gone to the trouble of a quick fact check before launching into another load of bolox about what I’ve said and not said.
LFW season preview on Wrexham
Clive’s prediction -13th
Steve’s prediction - 15th | | | |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 18:51 - Oct 2 with 992 views | Northernr |
| Oxford Utd Reflection on 16:24 - Oct 2 by Beckenhamhoop |
On a slight tangent can I ask what websites people use for detailed stats analysis of our games and players? |
Whoscored.com is good for individual player stats after games, heat maps etc.
Interface is terrible, but then who am I to talk? | | | |
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