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Oxford Utd Reflection 22:21 - Oct 1 with 22226 viewsbluenwhite10

One of those games where you expect 3 points, but didn’t create enough to deserve 3 points and fair play to Oxford as they did what they had to do very well.

I can’t honestly remember either keeper making a save in the game:

The starting line up lacked a bit of creativity with Hayden and Field in the middle a kind of pairing you would go with in an away game against one of the top teams not in a game you are expected to dominate and win.

I will say we did get into some strong crossing positions but the balls never got past the 1st defender.

A bit disappointed tonight in the fact we lacked that cutting edge …MOM …nobody stood out but will go with Norrington-Davies
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 01:58 - Oct 3 with 2341 viewsstainrods_elbow

Oxford Utd Reflection on 00:06 - Oct 3 by francisbowles

Yes it had all that.......in it's day. If you put them, in their then condition etc, into the modern game, the only time they would get the ball is when they kicked off and they would probably do that quite a few times.

If they tried to do a season with that number of players today, they would struggle to get a team out most weeks as they would pick up numerous injuries, through fatigue.


How do you know? It's just what you want to think in the end. I disagree completely, so you go your way and I'll go mine.

Poll: What do you expect from the Charlton game?

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Oxford Utd Reflection on 05:10 - Oct 3 with 2307 viewsQPROslo

Oxford Utd Reflection on 00:06 - Oct 3 by francisbowles

Yes it had all that.......in it's day. If you put them, in their then condition etc, into the modern game, the only time they would get the ball is when they kicked off and they would probably do that quite a few times.

If they tried to do a season with that number of players today, they would struggle to get a team out most weeks as they would pick up numerous injuries, through fatigue.


You are guessing of course, but I think you are probably right.
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 09:24 - Oct 3 with 2159 viewsfrancisbowles

Oxford Utd Reflection on 01:58 - Oct 3 by stainrods_elbow

How do you know? It's just what you want to think in the end. I disagree completely, so you go your way and I'll go mine.


Well, you go your way, if you must, ignoring every one else. Judging by the views expressed on here, it seems like you will be on your own. Maybe that won't bother you though, as you are probably used to it.
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 09:42 - Oct 3 with 2117 viewsE15Hoop

Oxford Utd Reflection on 09:24 - Oct 3 by francisbowles

Well, you go your way, if you must, ignoring every one else. Judging by the views expressed on here, it seems like you will be on your own. Maybe that won't bother you though, as you are probably used to it.


Judging by the amount of time and energy he wastes on here on a daily basis determinedly trying to prove why he's clearly right about everything and everyone else has the intellectual capacity of a dead amoeba in comparison, FB, I think it actually bothers him intensely..
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 10:05 - Oct 3 with 2080 viewsLazyFan

Oxford were there for the taking; everyone could see it. Even Sky commentators saw it.

We were poor as last season's game against them, but they were better, defensively only at least, which is why they didn't lose.

Dropping those players for a winnable game at home, for them to return from Brizzle away, really puts the manager under his own pressure. Even if we get a draw there, that's only 2 points from 2 games, when we could have had 3 here and then parked the bus Bristol, even if we lost that, that's 3 points from 2 games, so more points and home record looks intimidating for any opponent.

Field showed hes not gonna do it against weak oppo, Hayden the same , Dembele is an AMC (could have dropped one of the DMC's for him or Morgan and really tested Oxford) as I said before many times, Frey and Kone are too similar, Cook is still decent, Mbengue got a yellow so, he misses out anyway (should not have started him if you wanted to rotate as he was on yellow away from suspension).

I fear Julien has made a mistake and will learn the hard way here.
However, if we win, then he's the master tactician.

Saturday at 5pm will tell us what is what.

zzzzzzzzzz

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Oxford Utd Reflection on 10:31 - Oct 3 with 2035 viewsnick_hammersmith

Oxford Utd Reflection on 22:55 - Oct 2 by Northernr

Danny Maddix when we did him for the Patreon met me in a pub in Old Street.

Looks, to me, exactly like he did when he played. Aged terrifically. Lovely fella, chatted Rangers happily, loved the club. Now a taxi driver. Really good with me. Great way to spend an afternoon.

I joked when he came in "you look like you should still be playing". And given we had Joel Lynch or Leon Balogun or some other helmet at centre back, I wished he was. It knocked the stuffing out of him a bit. Later on he told me he's really struggling with all his old injuries. Years and years and years of playing on the needle, getting jabbed up with whatever it was they thought was appropriate in 1992, whatever it needed to get you through. Had operations on his knees, hips, all sorts of shit. Shoulders up, still looks 25, chest down, basically a fcking 80-year old.

I did my usual tactless bit about whether the Palace 6-0 was fixed. He got a bit aggy with me. He was injured, out for the season, and Gerry said I need you to play. They stuck needles in him all week and wheeled him out there with Andy Linighan. Alan McDonald style, "you tell me that was a fix". And now he drives a cab round London, in pain.

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If you took that attitude into the modern game, Danny would still be a top professional. Hopefully the massive team of sports scientists would be there to protect him.

I'm sure the great footballers of yesteryear would have been great in this modern game, as they would have adapted their lifestyle and training to suit the modern demands.

I remember watching a documentary, was it 'Horizon' where they talked to QPR players about improving their abilities through science. I remember Martin Allen happy to embrace new ideas, I'll try and find a link to it on YouTube

QED
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 11:39 - Oct 3 with 1874 viewsBenny_the_Ball

Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:43 - Oct 2 by PhilmyRs

Fair point, but I think our record is one of the worst in the 3rd game of a 3 match game week so if we were able to get a win, that would at least suggest some progress on that front. I'm not confident mind, and think going out all guns blazing last night would have been better option.


Oxford was the 2nd of those 3 matches. Given the opposition, the fact that we were at home, the stern test we face this Saturday against an opposition who played a day earlier, and our recent record in the 3rd game of a 3 match week, I'm inclined to agree with you. We should've gone for it against Oxford and then looked to the likes of Field/Hayden/Frey to shut up shop at Brizzle. But hey, Harry Hindsight is the smartest chap in town (cue Rangers nicking a win at AG).
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 11:56 - Oct 3 with 1858 viewsSpaghetti_Hoops

Oxford Utd Reflection on 22:20 - Oct 2 by Northernr

If that's the case then we'll be counting down to 50 points again this season because they're fcking drek.

Now three away wins in 28 Championship games.


That may well be so, I guess many predictions would have had Oxford as relegation fodder. However in these early and perhaps misleading stages of the season Oxford are just above us 12 to 14 on the Opta expected points table so far.
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:00 - Oct 3 with 1833 viewsNorthernr

Oxford Utd Reflection on 11:56 - Oct 3 by Spaghetti_Hoops

That may well be so, I guess many predictions would have had Oxford as relegation fodder. However in these early and perhaps misleading stages of the season Oxford are just above us 12 to 14 on the Opta expected points table so far.


Crikey, that doesn't say a lot for us does it!? Is that based on xG?
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:34 - Oct 3 with 1763 viewsKensalT

Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:00 - Oct 3 by Northernr

Crikey, that doesn't say a lot for us does it!? Is that based on xG?


It appears to be based on expected goals for and against:

https://theanalyst.com/competition/english-championship/table

On those rankings it has Birmingham fourth and Derby bottom.

Given that Birmingham recently managed only one shot on target in three games it underlines what a nonsense xG is.
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:39 - Oct 3 with 1748 viewsSpaghetti_Hoops

Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:00 - Oct 3 by Northernr

Crikey, that doesn't say a lot for us does it!? Is that based on xG?


Xgf created minus Xga conceded.

It is of course a proxi for performance suggesting that Oxford's league position is worse now than it will be. But very early days.
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:45 - Oct 3 with 1723 viewsLoftusR

Oxford Utd Reflection on 22:55 - Oct 2 by Northernr

Danny Maddix when we did him for the Patreon met me in a pub in Old Street.

Looks, to me, exactly like he did when he played. Aged terrifically. Lovely fella, chatted Rangers happily, loved the club. Now a taxi driver. Really good with me. Great way to spend an afternoon.

I joked when he came in "you look like you should still be playing". And given we had Joel Lynch or Leon Balogun or some other helmet at centre back, I wished he was. It knocked the stuffing out of him a bit. Later on he told me he's really struggling with all his old injuries. Years and years and years of playing on the needle, getting jabbed up with whatever it was they thought was appropriate in 1992, whatever it needed to get you through. Had operations on his knees, hips, all sorts of shit. Shoulders up, still looks 25, chest down, basically a fcking 80-year old.

I did my usual tactless bit about whether the Palace 6-0 was fixed. He got a bit aggy with me. He was injured, out for the season, and Gerry said I need you to play. They stuck needles in him all week and wheeled him out there with Andy Linighan. Alan McDonald style, "you tell me that was a fix". And now he drives a cab round London, in pain.

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The next time you're spending an afternoon in a pub in Old Street with an ex Rangers player do let me know and I'll join you. Purely for research purposes you understand.😉
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:46 - Oct 3 with 1725 viewsSpaghetti_Hoops

Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:34 - Oct 3 by KensalT

It appears to be based on expected goals for and against:

https://theanalyst.com/competition/english-championship/table

On those rankings it has Birmingham fourth and Derby bottom.

Given that Birmingham recently managed only one shot on target in three games it underlines what a nonsense xG is.


Of course some people will refuse to learn what insights Xg can provide and what it can't do. These people will usually come forward with snippets of info extracted from the bigger picture and think they know it all.
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:46 - Oct 3 with 1725 viewsKensalT

Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:39 - Oct 3 by Spaghetti_Hoops

Xgf created minus Xga conceded.

It is of course a proxi for performance suggesting that Oxford's league position is worse now than it will be. But very early days.


There must be a bit more to it than that.

Our expected goal difference is identical to Oxford's and worse than Pompey who are beneath us in that table.
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:50 - Oct 3 with 1715 viewsKensalT

Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:46 - Oct 3 by Spaghetti_Hoops

Of course some people will refuse to learn what insights Xg can provide and what it can't do. These people will usually come forward with snippets of info extracted from the bigger picture and think they know it all.


I'm not convinced by xG.

I think it's a very crude proxy which takes no account of the quality of the players involved and merely reflects the position on the pitch from where shots are taken and the probability of that shot going in.

But I'm open minded on the subject and happy to learn.

If you think I've got it wrong then please explain.
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 13:00 - Oct 3 with 1689 viewsTheChef

Oxford Utd Reflection on 12:50 - Oct 3 by KensalT

I'm not convinced by xG.

I think it's a very crude proxy which takes no account of the quality of the players involved and merely reflects the position on the pitch from where shots are taken and the probability of that shot going in.

But I'm open minded on the subject and happy to learn.

If you think I've got it wrong then please explain.


Yeah please not this one again.

Most important factor is the ball going in the white thing with the net hanging off it!

Poll: How old is everyone on here?

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Oxford Utd Reflection on 13:06 - Oct 3 with 1656 viewsHAYESBOY

Oxford Utd Reflection on 13:00 - Oct 3 by TheChef

Yeah please not this one again.

Most important factor is the ball going in the white thing with the net hanging off it!



Smells like a trout farm in here

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Oxford Utd Reflection on 13:12 - Oct 3 with 1649 viewsKensalT

Oxford Utd Reflection on 13:00 - Oct 3 by TheChef

Yeah please not this one again.

Most important factor is the ball going in the white thing with the net hanging off it!


Fair enough.

If Spaghetti_Hoops wants to drop me a DM explaining exactly why I'm an out of touch old Luddite I'll give it a fair hearing.

Or start a separate thread on xG for those who might want an open discussion on the subject.

Now where did I put that abacus....



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Oxford Utd Reflection on 14:31 - Oct 3 with 1519 viewsSpaghetti_Hoops

Oxford Utd Reflection on 13:00 - Oct 3 by TheChef

Yeah please not this one again.

Most important factor is the ball going in the white thing with the net hanging off it!


But having some insights about how it gets there makes the game more interesting for annoying nerdy people. You know how the ball doesn't just find the net by itself.
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 14:38 - Oct 3 with 1484 viewsKensalT

Oxford Utd Reflection on 14:31 - Oct 3 by Spaghetti_Hoops

But having some insights about how it gets there makes the game more interesting for annoying nerdy people. You know how the ball doesn't just find the net by itself.


For anyone who is interested in xG there's a good explanation on FBref:

https://fbref.com/en/expected-goals-model-explained/

I'm sill not convinced but I will save all that for another time and another thread.
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 16:16 - Oct 3 with 1325 viewsnumptydumpty

Oxford Utd Reflection on 19:02 - Oct 2 by Northernr

I reckon I could apply to the government for a care in the community grant for running this place.


Not only on here Clive.

Often felt on many occasions at a QPR game, the club is providing a service for the vulnerable.

Frustrations of a bad week, whether its at home or at work and Queens Park Rangers performances allow et al to vent and cuss at all and sundry and then they go home all prepped and ready for the next week ahead.

The very first game i went to with my dad, saw an Irish man getting more and more blood red vessels emanating from face, limbs etc and halfway through the second half he propelled his rain sodden overcoat from South Africa Road stand over the edge and onto the paddocks to show his outrage at the game.

it got things out of his system, i assume ...

"Dad, .why did that man do that ??"

"i dunno, son."

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"Walking in a Mackie Wonderland"
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 17:16 - Oct 4 with 990 viewsBenny_the_Ball

Oxford Utd Reflection on 11:39 - Oct 3 by Benny_the_Ball

Oxford was the 2nd of those 3 matches. Given the opposition, the fact that we were at home, the stern test we face this Saturday against an opposition who played a day earlier, and our recent record in the 3rd game of a 3 match week, I'm inclined to agree with you. We should've gone for it against Oxford and then looked to the likes of Field/Hayden/Frey to shut up shop at Brizzle. But hey, Harry Hindsight is the smartest chap in town (cue Rangers nicking a win at AG).


What the heck do I know? You're a genius, Julien.

Ah, this team. Just bonkers.
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Oxford Utd Reflection on 01:38 - Oct 5 with 822 viewsstainrods_elbow

Oxford Utd Reflection on 09:24 - Oct 3 by francisbowles

Well, you go your way, if you must, ignoring every one else. Judging by the views expressed on here, it seems like you will be on your own. Maybe that won't bother you though, as you are probably used to it.


What's wrong with being on your own - all the best people are? I suppose, for a conformist like you, the idea is frightening.

Poll: What do you expect from the Charlton game?

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Oxford Utd Reflection on 01:40 - Oct 5 with 812 viewsstainrods_elbow

Oxford Utd Reflection on 09:42 - Oct 3 by E15Hoop

Judging by the amount of time and energy he wastes on here on a daily basis determinedly trying to prove why he's clearly right about everything and everyone else has the intellectual capacity of a dead amoeba in comparison, FB, I think it actually bothers him intensely..


What a bore you are! I suppose you never speak to influence or persuade. Try to wake up to the fact that we're part of the same species.

Poll: What do you expect from the Charlton game?

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Oxford Utd Reflection on 02:49 - Oct 5 with 770 viewsHAYESBOY

Just to get back to this game. A win and we would be 3rd. Great win at Bristol today, but still have that feeling of frustration on this Oxford game.
2 week wait now.
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Smells like a trout farm in here

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