| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? 09:08 - Oct 2 with 1414 views | saint901 |
Like all of us, I've been bombarded with media coverage of Reform and how they react to events around them.
My view is that Reform does not really "stand for" anything other than the self aggrandisement of their cult leaders.
Instead they are just "against" everything. Their purpose is to either make people angry or ramp up frustrations and create a "protest vote".
Their economic plans are utterly bonkers and they have reached a place where the Truss Budget looks tame! In simple terms, they want to cut taxes, cut the working population by deporting even those who have been here (contributing) for decades and yet still fund world class welfare and services.
And when a PM calls them out, their reaction? To claim that the PM is encouraging some lunatic to take a pop at Fartage and friends.
I'm sorry, but if your trade is to be against everything and to make outrageous claims and encourage people to believe outright lies, are you then surprised if you create enemies? |  | | |  |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 10:13 - Oct 2 with 1323 views | kingslandstand1 |
Fair enough. It seems to me he only has one policy that he's living off at the moment which is regarding immigration etc and though he seems to be top of the pops right now because of it, but would he be any better than the current clown running the country
God help is if he managed to swing his way in as well because he seems to be convincing¾ the electorate that he is out messiah |  |
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| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 15:05 - Oct 2 with 1220 views | saint901 |
The immigration argument is based on a false presentation of the facts.
Like Trump, Fartage and Tice and the others seems to have only a passing acquaintance with facts and truth, happily able to ignore or use oof context pretty much anything.
Amusingly they are now claiming that the former head of reform in Wales - recently admitting to have taken bribes from Russia - is somebody they do not know, have never met and is a stranger. Very odd when pictures of them together circulate. | | | |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 21:54 - Oct 2 with 1114 views | Ron11 |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 15:05 - Oct 2 by saint901 |
The immigration argument is based on a false presentation of the facts.
Like Trump, Fartage and Tice and the others seems to have only a passing acquaintance with facts and truth, happily able to ignore or use oof context pretty much anything.
Amusingly they are now claiming that the former head of reform in Wales - recently admitting to have taken bribes from Russia - is somebody they do not know, have never met and is a stranger. Very odd when pictures of them together circulate. |
Tell us all about these false presentations regarding immigration | | | |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 23:16 - Oct 2 with 1032 views | 1885_SFC |
901 will blame Farage no doubt... |  |
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| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 00:17 - Oct 3 with 999 views | Gennaro_Contaldo |
Without getting too involved, all I will say is ... religion, fk me, what a load of old bollocks. |  |
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| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 07:34 - Oct 3 with 928 views | kingolaf |
I like Reform’s policies on illegal immigration. But for me, that’s not enough to give them my vote.
They need to start speaking about the economy and public services. I don’t know enough about them.
One sure thing though is that I won’t vote Labour again, after supporting them for most of my life. | | | |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 08:50 - Oct 3 with 890 views | DorsetIan |
I'm beginning to suspect that your regular 'something to think about' posts are written by ChatGPT. | |
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| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 09:08 - Oct 3 with 841 views | solent_toffee |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 07:34 - Oct 3 by kingolaf |
I like Reform’s policies on illegal immigration. But for me, that’s not enough to give them my vote.
They need to start speaking about the economy and public services. I don’t know enough about them.
One sure thing though is that I won’t vote Labour again, after supporting them for most of my life. |
It would be interesting to see how their policy of mass deportation of people who have claimed ILR since 2020 will effect services such as the NHS and the care industry, where there is already a massive shortage of people.
They don’t appear to have a follow up policy of filling these roles from the huge numbers of NEETs, UC and those who don’t work and have never worked.
It’s almost as though they haven’t got a plan. | | | |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 10:49 - Oct 3 with 768 views | saintmark1976 |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 09:08 - Oct 3 by solent_toffee |
It would be interesting to see how their policy of mass deportation of people who have claimed ILR since 2020 will effect services such as the NHS and the care industry, where there is already a massive shortage of people.
They don’t appear to have a follow up policy of filling these roles from the huge numbers of NEETs, UC and those who don’t work and have never worked.
It’s almost as though they haven’t got a plan. |
Should they ever get into a position of National Power and deport people who have lived here for years, I wonder if they will refund to them all of the Tax and National Insurance that they have paid whilst working in the UK ?
Farage and his cronies are what are known as Barack Room Lawyers, great at identifying problems but without any sensible ideas as to solutions.
Come the next General Election when most people switch on to politics and Reforms policies are exposed to proper detailed scrutiny they will melt like snow in the spring sunshine. | |
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| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 11:34 - Oct 3 with 740 views | Heisenberg |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 09:08 - Oct 3 by solent_toffee |
It would be interesting to see how their policy of mass deportation of people who have claimed ILR since 2020 will effect services such as the NHS and the care industry, where there is already a massive shortage of people.
They don’t appear to have a follow up policy of filling these roles from the huge numbers of NEETs, UC and those who don’t work and have never worked.
It’s almost as though they haven’t got a plan. |
I think the plan is for those people standing outside hotels waving flags to pick up the slack and take low paid jobs in care homes or as hospital porters. |  |
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| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 13:04 - Oct 3 with 686 views | GasGiant |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 15:05 - Oct 2 by saint901 |
The immigration argument is based on a false presentation of the facts.
Like Trump, Fartage and Tice and the others seems to have only a passing acquaintance with facts and truth, happily able to ignore or use oof context pretty much anything.
Amusingly they are now claiming that the former head of reform in Wales - recently admitting to have taken bribes from Russia - is somebody they do not know, have never met and is a stranger. Very odd when pictures of them together circulate. |
I'm not sure why you have picked on a minor bit of flummery rather than continue the important topic thread you introdued yourself. It seems there are approx 4.5 million people in the UK with indefinite leave to remain and There are approx 265,000 non European Nationals working for the NHS of whom around 175,000 come from Asia or Africa. As far as I know, Reform are not advocating a mass deportation of all foreign nationals, but rather a selective checking of those who arrived with work visas (who are not in scope of any deportation plan) and those who just arrived via "other means" ie hiding on trucks, freight trains or boats. They propose other checks around people with spurious claims, failed asylum claims, or remaining in the UK beyond the expiry of a visa. Two morals for 901 to consider - firstly, a selective removal of people with no right to be here is going to have a very minor impact on the Healthcare sector. Secondly, stop pretending that Reform are proposing to remove everyone from an ethinic minority, which is nonsense. I'm not a Reform Supporter and agree with what others are saying about them, but when you invent their policies rather than quoting them accurately you aren't going to win any arguments. | | | |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 16:59 - Oct 3 with 579 views | Bazza |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 13:04 - Oct 3 by GasGiant |
I'm not sure why you have picked on a minor bit of flummery rather than continue the important topic thread you introdued yourself. It seems there are approx 4.5 million people in the UK with indefinite leave to remain and There are approx 265,000 non European Nationals working for the NHS of whom around 175,000 come from Asia or Africa. As far as I know, Reform are not advocating a mass deportation of all foreign nationals, but rather a selective checking of those who arrived with work visas (who are not in scope of any deportation plan) and those who just arrived via "other means" ie hiding on trucks, freight trains or boats. They propose other checks around people with spurious claims, failed asylum claims, or remaining in the UK beyond the expiry of a visa. Two morals for 901 to consider - firstly, a selective removal of people with no right to be here is going to have a very minor impact on the Healthcare sector. Secondly, stop pretending that Reform are proposing to remove everyone from an ethinic minority, which is nonsense. I'm not a Reform Supporter and agree with what others are saying about them, but when you invent their policies rather than quoting them accurately you aren't going to win any arguments. |
Some good points Gas Giant. In their blurb Reform want controlled immigration. That is allowing in skills that we need but mostly not random boat people some of whom have criminal records, and include many from cultures that conflict with normal British values. Reform other policies include cutting down government waste especially in the bloated elements of the civil service.
Seems to me that some Labour supporters on here should take a look at what Reform really are about before commenting again. | | | |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 18:17 - Oct 3 with 538 views | Heisenberg |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 16:59 - Oct 3 by Bazza |
Some good points Gas Giant. In their blurb Reform want controlled immigration. That is allowing in skills that we need but mostly not random boat people some of whom have criminal records, and include many from cultures that conflict with normal British values. Reform other policies include cutting down government waste especially in the bloated elements of the civil service.
Seems to me that some Labour supporters on here should take a look at what Reform really are about before commenting again. |
Reform have pledged 17 billion to the NHS which is more than any other party. This on top of tax cuts and raising the tax thresholds. And huge increases in defence budgets. If anyone thinks this will be funded by stopping illegal immigration and cutting waste in public services then they are deluded. Like all parties if elected they will find UK PLC is up the shitter. The irony being that Brexit has played a huge part in. | |
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| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 20:19 - Oct 3 with 457 views | saintmark1976 |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 16:59 - Oct 3 by Bazza |
Some good points Gas Giant. In their blurb Reform want controlled immigration. That is allowing in skills that we need but mostly not random boat people some of whom have criminal records, and include many from cultures that conflict with normal British values. Reform other policies include cutting down government waste especially in the bloated elements of the civil service.
Seems to me that some Labour supporters on here should take a look at what Reform really are about before commenting again. |
“ some Labour supporters on here should take a look at what Reform really are about before commenting again “
I’ve looked at all the comments and can find no evidence that suggests that those commenting are Labour supporters Bazza. In fact in one case exactly the opposite.
In any event even, if they were, surely you wouldn’t want to stop them expressing their point of view would you ? | |
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| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 21:37 - Oct 3 with 430 views | Bazza |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 20:19 - Oct 3 by saintmark1976 |
“ some Labour supporters on here should take a look at what Reform really are about before commenting again “
I’ve looked at all the comments and can find no evidence that suggests that those commenting are Labour supporters Bazza. In fact in one case exactly the opposite.
In any event even, if they were, surely you wouldn’t want to stop them expressing their point of view would you ? |
Certainly I strongly believe in free speech. Also I remember several here airing their left wing views in the past. | | | |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 08:00 - Oct 4 with 283 views | Heisenberg |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 21:37 - Oct 3 by Bazza |
Certainly I strongly believe in free speech. Also I remember several here airing their left wing views in the past. |
It might help if you saw things beyond left and right Bazza. Things are far more complicated and solutions won’t be found through increased tribalism. | |
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| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 08:40 - Oct 4 with 256 views | jopreston |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 20:19 - Oct 3 by saintmark1976 |
“ some Labour supporters on here should take a look at what Reform really are about before commenting again “
I’ve looked at all the comments and can find no evidence that suggests that those commenting are Labour supporters Bazza. In fact in one case exactly the opposite.
In any event even, if they were, surely you wouldn’t want to stop them expressing their point of view would you ? |
Probably an assumption on his part on the basis that surely, there are no Tory supporters left are there? :-) |  | | |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 09:11 - Oct 4 with 239 views | Bazza |
| Hypocrisy of the highest order or genuine concern? on 08:00 - Oct 4 by Heisenberg |
It might help if you saw things beyond left and right Bazza. Things are far more complicated and solutions won’t be found through increased tribalism. |
Fair comment, especially since I’ve voted differently over the years. | | | |
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