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VAR 10:39 - Oct 19 with 2073 views

Following on from yesterdays refereeing performance and a few comments on other recent threads I did some very quick and limited research on whether, as has been suggested, VAR is coming to the Championship next season.
From what I could see this is not happening. Apparently some clubs don’t have the infrastructure and the cost is also a factor for not introducing it.

What is being considered in FVS (Football Video Support - not the catchiest acronym). This is similar to a review system in cricket and something I’ve thought for years would be significantly better than VAR which is a truly abysmal system and shows how poorly football is run at the top. They trialed this at the recent U20 World Cup and it worked well.

Basically, the manager gets two chances to review a decision. The referee comes to a pitch side monitor and makes the decision on his own. If the manager is correct the review is kept. This should stop the constant interference of VAR and speed up the game.

VAR on 10:53 - Oct 19 with 1976 views

Northernr

I’d rather Keith Stroud every week than VAR.

VAR on 10:56 - Oct 19 with 1939 views

Watford_Ranger

Looking forward to every winning team using their two video reviews in the 96th and 98th minute already.

VAR on 11:03 - Oct 19 with 1897 views

Gus_iom

VAR on 10:53 - Oct 19 by Northernr
I’d rather Keith Stroud every week than VAR.

Absolutely.
Yesterday, I thought Kone should have got a penalty, not so sure about Saito, didn't get them, we move on immediately, living in the moment in an increasingly structured world.
I think var would have gone with the refs decision anyway, neither where clear or obvious mistakes.
But when they hold up the game, kill the rhythm and impetus, and then give the wrong decision anyway.....😡

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VAR on 11:15 - Oct 19 with 1852 views

QPR_John

VAR on 11:03 - Oct 19 by Gus_iom
Absolutely. Yesterday, I thought Kone should have got a penalty, not so sure about Saito, didn't get them, we move on immediately, living in the moment in an increasingly structured world. I think var would have gone with the refs decision anyway, neither where clear or obvious mistakes. But when they hold up the game, kill the rhythm and impetus, and then give the wrong decision anyway.....😡

"I think var would have gone with the refs decision anyway, neither where clear or obvious mistakes."

Does that apply in a penalty situation. Many times this season VAR has asked the ref to look at a penalty shout on the monitor.

VAR on 11:43 - Oct 19 with 1762 views

francisbowles

Fair play to Jared Gillette for overruling Stockley Park yesterday.

VAR on 13:23 - Oct 19 with 1623 views

Gus_iom

VAR on 11:15 - Oct 19 by QPR_John
"I think var would have gone with the refs decision anyway, neither where clear or obvious mistakes." Does that apply in a penalty situation. Many times this season VAR has asked the ref to look at a penalty shout on the monitor.

Mate, do I come across as someone who really knows what he's talking about? Give me a break....😆😆

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VAR on 13:50 - Oct 19 with 1577 views

HAYESBOY

In a minority I know. I would have VAR. The Saito foul where he gets kicked up in the air would have been given.
See post after post about crap refs and yet we don't want to use technology to help them.
I agree with the arguments about how long some decisions take and it slows the game down, I just think getting to the right decision is more important.
Again, I know I am in a minority here, just my opinion.

Smells like a trout farm in here

VAR on 14:03 - Oct 19 with 1542 views

OldPedro

VAR on 13:50 - Oct 19 by HAYESBOY

The problem with VAR as they still don't seem to get decisions right

Extra mature cheddar......a simple cheese for a simple man

VAR on 15:18 - Oct 19 with 1437 views

stevenagehoop

VAR on 14:03 - Oct 19 by OldPedro
The problem with VAR as they still don't seem to get decisions right

It’s not the VAR technology that’s at fault it’s how it’s implemented. Too many times those charged with its involvement interfere when not necessary and then the referee on the field doesn’t have the courage to stand by their original decision.
Unfortunately unlike the system used in cricket still depends on the interpretation of those operating it and there lies the problem.

I never lie but I don't always tell the truth

VAR on 16:10 - Oct 19 with 1357 views

charmr

Until you have refereed at any level offering opinions is just that. It’s not for the faint of heart.

You don’t know that you don’t know.

Referee training now showing commentators for example so convinced about stuff but they don’t know the laws. To quote Martin Atkinson to my face. We will take anything that helps. What VAR,s role is the redeeming question.

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VAR on 16:23 - Oct 19 with 1310 views

charmr

Pushing, shoving or full on assaults in this country hardly ever get called. American sports more gladiatorial then soccers hunting and gathering. Too many ACL injuries I’ve seen, very sad. 12-18 months out.

There are some well dodgy refs out there admittedly. They will never get any breaks when the people calling them out have never done it. When I left the Uk Middx was short of 1,000 refs every weekend. Know one wants the shyte that comes with the gig especially young people.

The training by the FA and FIFA is second to none. Attended a few closed door presentations and believe me the training is meticulous. Thick skinned, an a hole or a Buddha like temperament required at the top level to survive.

VAR on 16:27 - Oct 19 with 1297 views

stevenagehoop

VAR on 16:10 - Oct 19 by charmr
Until you have refereed at any level offering opinions is just that. It’s not for the faint of heart. You don’t know that you don’t know. Referee training now showing commentators for example so convinced about stuff but they don’t know the laws. To quote Martin Atkinson to my face. We will take anything that helps. What VAR,s role is the redeeming question. [Post edited 19 Oct 16:34]

Did for 20 odd years- VAR was as I understand it brought in to help correct a clear and obvious error or a serious missed incident.
In my opinion some operating the system are going far beyond that remit and there lies the problem

I never lie but I don't always tell the truth

VAR on 16:38 - Oct 19 with 1258 views

charmr

What is VAR,s role and how it is implemented. That’s what I don’t get.

VAR on 16:59 - Oct 19 with 1203 views

Dorse

VAR on 16:38 - Oct 19 by charmr
What is VAR,s role and how it is implemented. That’s what I don’t get.

I believe it was developed as a method of fun prevention in North Korea.

'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'

VAR on 17:45 - Oct 19 with 1107 views

BristolR

VAR on 11:43 - Oct 19 by francisbowles
Fair play to Jared Gillette for overruling Stockley Park yesterday.

To be fair he is , ahem,

“The best a man can ge-e-et”

VAR on 19:30 - Oct 19 with 978 views

Northernr

VAR on 14:03 - Oct 19 by OldPedro
The problem with VAR as they still don't seem to get decisions right

The problem is you're trying to create binary, perfect decisions, where they do not exist.

What used to happen is Goals on Sunday with Ben and Kammy would slow an incident down, freeze frame it, run it through on 8 different replays, and Kammy would say "you can clearly see here, the defender has a toe on the ball, and all it would need is a 30 second video review to show that".

What they didn't mention, and nobody appreciated, is that GOS had a team of editors working Saturday and Sunday to prep the show, prepare the angles, find the shot, freeze frame it, and then hang a referee who had one look at it, while also intimating that this replay was easy to find and create and would clear it up in seconds. Meanwhile, Big Sam and Pards Pardew, that morning's guests on the sofa, even after all of that, still disagreed about whether it was a penalty or not.

Simmo and me have been going to football together for 20 years now. Every, single, week, we look at the same incident and think differently about it. After multiple replays.

You are far, far, far better off without it. Just accept that referee's a fallible, and get on with the game.

VAR on 22:40 - Oct 19 with 820 views

charmr

Shearer when playing was always trying it on with refs. Becomes a pundit and now a bloody expert on referees getting it wrong or right. Shearer you tw@t you were always tying to con the ref.

Pundits etc never castigate players for any shyte housery. How difficult does that make it for the ref?

Cool though, in the name of the game, gotta appeal etc. Players don’t HELP the cause either,

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VAR on 23:07 - Oct 19 with 760 views

HamptonHoop

VAR on 17:45 - Oct 19 by BristolR
To be fair he is , ahem, “The best a man can ge-e-et”

Might not be one for the teenagers, but that is very funny.

VAR on 08:15 - Oct 20 with 547 views

davman

Should only be used for black and white decisions. Ball is either over the line or it is not. Offside is clear IF you define what part of the body is involved.

What is a foul or handball is subjective and as much as I think we should have had at least two pens on Saturday, many don't...

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VAR on 09:23 - Oct 20 with 475 views

Watford_Ranger

Handball not given to Liverpool yesterday (correctly IMO) was remarkably similar to the one they were given in injury time at 0-0 at Burnley. The rule could be interpreted to justify giving both or neither.

One rule change I would like to see is more indirect free kicks for minor infringements inside the area. A penalty feels far too harsh for clearly not deliberate handballs.

VAR on 09:49 - Oct 20 with 433 views

francisbowles

VAR on 09:23 - Oct 20 by Watford_Ranger
Handball not given to Liverpool yesterday (correctly IMO) was remarkably similar to the one they were given in injury time at 0-0 at Burnley. The rule could be interpreted to justify giving both or neither. One rule change I would like to see is more indirect free kicks for minor infringements inside the area. A penalty feels far too harsh for clearly not deliberate handballs.

Was that the one where the player puts his hands in front of his chest? I think that is handball. He is getting his hands into a position where he is not controlling the ball with his body but letting it hit his hands.

It wasn't picked up on MOTD so I am probably out of touch with this week's interpretation of the laws of the game.

VAR on 12:17 - Oct 20 with 320 views

charmr

Hands come into body, no hand ball. Hands move away from body, Handball.

Maryland and US soccer top ref instructors words not mine. Ref with that rule certainly helps unless etc. some games I do have 2 refs not 3. A Quagmire at times. 2 refs calling and interpreting different things.

VAR on 13:26 - Oct 20 with 240 views

TheChef

If VAR comes to the Championship, I would seriously think about watching non League football instead.

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VAR on 14:06 - Oct 20 with 179 views

Beckenhamhoop

VAR on 13:26 - Oct 20 by TheChef
If VAR comes to the Championship, I would seriously think about watching non League football instead.

Out of interest how would you feel about the alternative FVS system that I mentioned in the OP? It would have been interesting to have attached a poll to this thread to gauge opinion.

VAR on 14:34 - Oct 20 with 148 views

TheChef

VAR on 14:06 - Oct 20 by Beckenhamhoop
Out of interest how would you feel about the alternative FVS system that I mentioned in the OP? It would have been interesting to have attached a poll to this thread to gauge opinion.

Better. But still not ideal, for me anyway.

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