| season not looking good 17:33 - Jul 12 with 6167 views | digswellhoop |
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| season not looking good on 09:07 - Jul 13 with 1345 views | eastside_r |
| season not looking good on 08:09 - Jul 13 by dmm |
We have this discussion every year. It's remarkable how much one game of football affects our assessment of how a season will pan out.
Last week we won 5-0 and most of us were positive. This week we lost and for many the world has caved in. There's no doubt that each of the next 4 preseason games will have similar effects.
It is a normal human trait to be heavily influenced by what happens in the now moment. However, in football, we should all try to follow the approach many managers take: not to get too down after a loss and not to get too high after a win, particularly during preseason. |
Yeah. I’m avoiding this board after the Brentford game. |  | | |
| season not looking good on 09:07 - Jul 13 with 1345 views | dmm |
| season not looking good on 08:24 - Jul 13 by GaryBannister86 |
You are dead right. The overreaction to pre-season games, or even just one game, can't be logical.
I am extremely pessimistic about next season, but was before our first pre-season game and didn't shift my opinion because of that easy win, nor likewise because of this defeat.
I am very fearful for next year. I know people are optimistic, but yet again we are going to go in to the season with a woeful collection of strikers (unless we keep Kelman and he fires, possibly decent odds against both), but this year we've no Marti to haul us out of the danger. Of course I hope Stephan is as good, but can't imagine we will make two quality managerial appointments in a row. When's the last time we did that? Howe then Francis?
Two lower league signings don't change my hopes - seen it all before from that division. Blackpool fans thought we were incredibly lucky to get Dembele. I think they may still be right, but even if these guys are good it usually takes time with young players.
The difference on this coming season is that Marti had the goodwill of match-going fans. Support was maintained even through horrific runs. Don't see Stephan getting that luxury, can see it going toxic and everything going pears.
I hope I am wrong. I usually am :-). Tell me why it is going to work out better than this. Need cheering up! [Post edited 13 Jul 8:24]
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Fair comments. I wish I could cheer you up, but given all the moving parts at the club, I don't feel I can make a realistic assessment until the proverbial 10 games in. There are just too many unknowns and probabilities at the moment. |  | | |
| season not looking good on 09:12 - Jul 13 with 1312 views | connell10 |
| season not looking good on 22:12 - Jul 12 by wombat |
Don’t even think it’s clears fault , he wa the wrong player from day one , with the team setting up with a loan striker to bring other into the game ,you would look at celar for one moment as the right choice , see his games for his previous club , heas box poacher not a worker out side the box , so the question is why was he even considered to be player to play that role up front ? It’s the Isla of use sticking what we want into an apple max and coming up with him , prob never seen hi. In the flesh playing an actual game of football , it’s numbers simple as that . |
So his style of play is to basically not move , not press, just stand there with your hands on your hips waiting for something to happen??? The amount of times I screamed at my computer screen for him to go and press the oppo goalie but the prick just stood there not moving , it was a pathetic display and on the back of that I'd bench him or sell him! |  |
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| season not looking good (n/t) on 09:38 - Jul 13 with 1199 views | JamesB1979 |
| season not looking good (n/t) on 21:26 - Jul 12 by numptydumpty |
Give Celar time...
Really ???
He had 20 games last season. Didn't even touch the ball or tackle one player for the first 18 games. Yet scored 2 excellent goals in game 19. But already looking again like reverting to type.
Yet there are those that would keep Celar this season and sell Kelman.
Surely Kelman deserves a chance....
I can't understand these viewpoints.... |
Well Kelman wasn’t available. Nor was Frey, nor was Kolli, nor was Lloyd. So, we only had him as an option.
Granted Celar wasn’t great but most of the first half was spent with us passing it short to defence or midfield and then losing it or conceding. I think the issue is more retaining the ball than Celar. He was barely involved | | | |
| season not looking good on 10:26 - Jul 13 with 1106 views | BAWHoops |
IF the starting 11 v PNE is
Nardi
Dunne Mbengue Morrison Larkeche
Vale Varane Field
Poku Kelman Chair
then perhaps the season turns out OK. However you are asking a hell of a lot from players that haven't performed above Lg 1 before coupled with others staying fit before you get down to Paul Smyth and a collection of children starting every week. You also need your sulky data led buys from last season to magically come good.
Starting 11 is serviceable, squad is thin and lightweight. You could just as easily be going up to Stoke in mid Jan with a team of
Nardi
Adamson Dunne Mbengue Esquardinha
Morgan Field Madsen
Dembele Celar Smyth
Which frankly is asking for a world of trouble |  |
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| season not looking good on 10:33 - Jul 13 with 1072 views | dmm |
| season not looking good on 10:26 - Jul 13 by BAWHoops |
IF the starting 11 v PNE is
Nardi
Dunne Mbengue Morrison Larkeche
Vale Varane Field
Poku Kelman Chair
then perhaps the season turns out OK. However you are asking a hell of a lot from players that haven't performed above Lg 1 before coupled with others staying fit before you get down to Paul Smyth and a collection of children starting every week. You also need your sulky data led buys from last season to magically come good.
Starting 11 is serviceable, squad is thin and lightweight. You could just as easily be going up to Stoke in mid Jan with a team of
Nardi
Adamson Dunne Mbengue Esquardinha
Morgan Field Madsen
Dembele Celar Smyth
Which frankly is asking for a world of trouble |
From what I've seen of Esquerdinha and Larkeche, I'd marginally prefer our Brazilian to start. That said, my greater preference would be a new LB. | | | |
| season not looking good (n/t) on 11:08 - Jul 13 with 1010 views | GroveR |
| season not looking good (n/t) on 22:50 - Jul 12 by rbee |
Have you just woken up? You have already replied to my post!
What is the difference between Celar, Varane and Madsen? All three were hammered and written off by many a few weeks in to the season. With time Varane came good. Before the end of the season some fans were saying that Madsen was doing better.
I repeat I am not a great Celar fan and if a club offered cash for him, happy days. But whilst he is our player, whilst the Head Coach plays him then yes, I will give him time, just like the club gave Furlong, Helguson etc time after fans had written them off.
I have previously given my thoughts on Kelman. In my opinion we should build the team around him, a player we know can score goals. But I don't think we will do that, mess around with him like we always have done so we may as well sell him whilst there is interest.
Apologies for the down vote, a slip of the mouse whilst looking for the reply button. |
Furlong was a free signing, scored on literally his first game for us and went on to top-score with another dozen or so that season. Helguson scored 3 or 4 in his 10 games as an emergency loan before we signed him and was probably the only player to emerge from our initial Premier league season with any credit.
Leaving the stats aside, both players had an almost homicidal desire to physically dominate the defenders they played against. Neither was the fastest or most skillful but they were strong and hard as coffin nails and used that strength ruthlessly. The only difference for me was Furs played with a smile while Helguson was a lot more businesslike.
I'll give Celar time as long as he's a Rangers player but i don't think anyone will ever be comparing him to Furlong or Helguson. |  | | |
| season not looking good (n/t) on 11:19 - Jul 13 with 987 views | Northernr |
| season not looking good (n/t) on 09:38 - Jul 13 by JamesB1979 |
Well Kelman wasn’t available. Nor was Frey, nor was Kolli, nor was Lloyd. So, we only had him as an option.
Granted Celar wasn’t great but most of the first half was spent with us passing it short to defence or midfield and then losing it or conceding. I think the issue is more retaining the ball than Celar. He was barely involved |
The issue (well one of them) is lots of these unavailable names are all the same people we had unavailable last year as well. It’s all well and good saying we’ll be fine when A, B and C are fit, but they never are. |  | | |
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| season not looking good on 11:21 - Jul 13 with 980 views | JamesB1979 |
| season not looking good on 10:26 - Jul 13 by BAWHoops |
IF the starting 11 v PNE is
Nardi
Dunne Mbengue Morrison Larkeche
Vale Varane Field
Poku Kelman Chair
then perhaps the season turns out OK. However you are asking a hell of a lot from players that haven't performed above Lg 1 before coupled with others staying fit before you get down to Paul Smyth and a collection of children starting every week. You also need your sulky data led buys from last season to magically come good.
Starting 11 is serviceable, squad is thin and lightweight. You could just as easily be going up to Stoke in mid Jan with a team of
Nardi
Adamson Dunne Mbengue Esquardinha
Morgan Field Madsen
Dembele Celar Smyth
Which frankly is asking for a world of trouble |
But the squad has to be stronger than last season no? We haven’t lost anyone that people thought were good. I thought Paal was ok to be fair. But everyone is happy with the 2 new signings. So, surely we’re slightly better?
If you take your 1st xi, then bench would be: Walsh, Cook, Morgan, Madsen, Frey, Kolli, Smyth, Celar, Adamson
That’s certainly better than last season. We do need a decent left back. And we could do with getting Colback-like player as cover. But we’re QPR….we can’t have too big a squad. | | | |
| season not looking good (n/t) on 11:23 - Jul 13 with 968 views | stevec |
| season not looking good (n/t) on 11:19 - Jul 13 by Northernr |
The issue (well one of them) is lots of these unavailable names are all the same people we had unavailable last year as well. It’s all well and good saying we’ll be fine when A, B and C are fit, but they never are. |
About the only department untouched by signings is our non functioning forward line. |  | | |
| season not looking good on 11:24 - Jul 13 with 964 views | Northernr |
| season not looking good on 11:21 - Jul 13 by JamesB1979 |
But the squad has to be stronger than last season no? We haven’t lost anyone that people thought were good. I thought Paal was ok to be fair. But everyone is happy with the 2 new signings. So, surely we’re slightly better?
If you take your 1st xi, then bench would be: Walsh, Cook, Morgan, Madsen, Frey, Kolli, Smyth, Celar, Adamson
That’s certainly better than last season. We do need a decent left back. And we could do with getting Colback-like player as cover. But we’re QPR….we can’t have too big a squad. |
Ronnie Edwards plays cricket presumably? | | | |
| season not looking good on 11:29 - Jul 13 with 937 views | stevec |
| season not looking good on 11:24 - Jul 13 by Northernr |
Ronnie Edwards plays cricket presumably? |
Wasn’t he involved with the Great Train Robbery of ‘67 ? | | | |
| season not looking good on 11:32 - Jul 13 with 928 views | Pindarus |
I really don't know why people are frothing at the mouth over pre season friendlies with experimental teams and newcomers feeling their way.
If we lose the first league game 4-0 (as has happened in the past) that is the time to start wailing and gnashing teeth. | | | |
| season not looking good on 11:34 - Jul 13 with 921 views | Mirrorball |
To me Celar looks a good finisher but the question mark is what he gives to the team when he isn't scoring.
If he snaffles twenty goals in the season then his all round game becomes irrelevant but if he only gets 7 or 8 goals then him being a passenger is a problem.
Surely, he knows that too and would want to develop his all round game?
The subject of my "man crush" Michi Frey is a great example. I love what he brings to the team even if he doesn't score. I'd imagine most defenders would prefer to play against Celar over Frey ... Even if Celar scored more often. | | | |
| season not looking good on 11:36 - Jul 13 with 894 views | Northernr |
| season not looking good on 11:34 - Jul 13 by Mirrorball |
To me Celar looks a good finisher but the question mark is what he gives to the team when he isn't scoring.
If he snaffles twenty goals in the season then his all round game becomes irrelevant but if he only gets 7 or 8 goals then him being a passenger is a problem.
Surely, he knows that too and would want to develop his all round game?
The subject of my "man crush" Michi Frey is a great example. I love what he brings to the team even if he doesn't score. I'd imagine most defenders would prefer to play against Celar over Frey ... Even if Celar scored more often. |
7 or 8 goals feels like a stretch at this stage. | | | |
| season not looking good on 11:39 - Jul 13 with 874 views | Pdog |
| season not looking good on 10:26 - Jul 13 by BAWHoops |
IF the starting 11 v PNE is
Nardi
Dunne Mbengue Morrison Larkeche
Vale Varane Field
Poku Kelman Chair
then perhaps the season turns out OK. However you are asking a hell of a lot from players that haven't performed above Lg 1 before coupled with others staying fit before you get down to Paul Smyth and a collection of children starting every week. You also need your sulky data led buys from last season to magically come good.
Starting 11 is serviceable, squad is thin and lightweight. You could just as easily be going up to Stoke in mid Jan with a team of
Nardi
Adamson Dunne Mbengue Esquardinha
Morgan Field Madsen
Dembele Celar Smyth
Which frankly is asking for a world of trouble |
I’m all for bringing in young, potentially appreciating assets, but there doesnt seem to be any snarl or bite in those lineups, each looking to the other for when sh*t inevitably hits the fan.
We probably need at least 4 Cook/Dunne/Colback types in the XI just to give those assets a chance to shine. If that means signing a solid but 'meh' 29-year-old, so be it. Proven Championship players who can actually start will eat up more of the budget, but balance is essential. We cant all play like PSG, this is the Champ.
Some might look the biz in a Girona sunshine training session, but reality hits fast when you’re up against a competent opponent, or in our case, a 27yr old journeyman winger recently playing in the Portuguese 3rd tier. |  | | |
| season not looking good (n/t) on 11:40 - Jul 13 with 871 views | JamesB1979 |
| season not looking good (n/t) on 11:19 - Jul 13 by Northernr |
The issue (well one of them) is lots of these unavailable names are all the same people we had unavailable last year as well. It’s all well and good saying we’ll be fine when A, B and C are fit, but they never are. |
I didn’t say we’ll be fine. We need to get these players fit. But I don’t agree that we’re weaker than last season. That’s nonsense. Get them fit, give the manager time. | | | |
| season not looking good on 11:42 - Jul 13 with 856 views | JamesB1979 |
| season not looking good on 11:24 - Jul 13 by Northernr |
Ronnie Edwards plays cricket presumably? |
He played half a season, was our best player. But he was a loan player. We haven’t even started to sign loan players yet. I’m sure we will when manager has assessed the squad. We also started our good run with Cook and Morrison at centre back. | | | |
| season not looking good on 11:43 - Jul 13 with 848 views | Northernr |
| season not looking good on 11:39 - Jul 13 by Pdog |
I’m all for bringing in young, potentially appreciating assets, but there doesnt seem to be any snarl or bite in those lineups, each looking to the other for when sh*t inevitably hits the fan.
We probably need at least 4 Cook/Dunne/Colback types in the XI just to give those assets a chance to shine. If that means signing a solid but 'meh' 29-year-old, so be it. Proven Championship players who can actually start will eat up more of the budget, but balance is essential. We cant all play like PSG, this is the Champ.
Some might look the biz in a Girona sunshine training session, but reality hits fast when you’re up against a competent opponent, or in our case, a 27yr old journeyman winger recently playing in the Portuguese 3rd tier. |
V well said. | | | |
| season not looking good on 12:02 - Jul 13 with 768 views | JamesB1979 |
| season not looking good on 11:39 - Jul 13 by Pdog |
I’m all for bringing in young, potentially appreciating assets, but there doesnt seem to be any snarl or bite in those lineups, each looking to the other for when sh*t inevitably hits the fan.
We probably need at least 4 Cook/Dunne/Colback types in the XI just to give those assets a chance to shine. If that means signing a solid but 'meh' 29-year-old, so be it. Proven Championship players who can actually start will eat up more of the budget, but balance is essential. We cant all play like PSG, this is the Champ.
Some might look the biz in a Girona sunshine training session, but reality hits fast when you’re up against a competent opponent, or in our case, a 27yr old journeyman winger recently playing in the Portuguese 3rd tier. |
What does that actually mean for our first eleven then?
Nardi or Walsh
Dunne, Morrison, Mbengue, Larkerche
Varane, Field, Vale
Poku, Kelman, Chair
Cook may be in centra back, or JCS, but I’m assuming both are out.
You mean get in a grizzly left back? I’d agree with that. But can’t we do that after we’ve taken a look at squad and assessed everything in pre season? | | | |
| season not looking good on 12:04 - Jul 13 with 762 views | baz_qpr |
Ok let's get a bit of perspective here, Young squad 3 weeks into pre-season with new manager after a week of warm weather training and double sessions. Gets tanked by small technical pressing and passing Spanish team of equivelent level whilst playing weaker 11 in the first half playing an unfamiliar 4-4-2 formation with one fit striker and two dev kids playing out of position at right back (where he got slaughtered) and 2nd half with no recognised striker having won 5-0 the week before.
One would hope Stephan has learnt that
a) We dont have a squad for 4-4-2
b) We need strikers
c) We need full backs |  | | |
| season not looking good on 12:27 - Jul 13 with 694 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| season not looking good on 11:24 - Jul 13 by Northernr |
Ronnie Edwards plays cricket presumably? |
I bet Ronnie would look absolutely gorgeous in the new P&B kit... |  |
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| season not looking good on 13:38 - Jul 13 with 571 views | Paddyhoops |
2 seasons ago I remember thinking Watford could get another 6 in the second half of that utter disaster. They called the dogs off . I was seriously worried then .
I didn’t see yesterday’s game so can’t really comment on our performance but 6.0 isn’t great and doesn’t bode well .
However it’s one month out from kick off and I’m hopeful that we’ll be ready to go .
We’ll probably see a few go and one or two more come in .
I’ll give the new man the benefit of the doubt until then . | | | |
| season not looking good (n/t) on 13:50 - Jul 13 with 535 views | rbee |
| season not looking good (n/t) on 11:08 - Jul 13 by GroveR |
Furlong was a free signing, scored on literally his first game for us and went on to top-score with another dozen or so that season. Helguson scored 3 or 4 in his 10 games as an emergency loan before we signed him and was probably the only player to emerge from our initial Premier league season with any credit.
Leaving the stats aside, both players had an almost homicidal desire to physically dominate the defenders they played against. Neither was the fastest or most skillful but they were strong and hard as coffin nails and used that strength ruthlessly. The only difference for me was Furs played with a smile while Helguson was a lot more businesslike.
I'll give Celar time as long as he's a Rangers player but i don't think anyone will ever be comparing him to Furlong or Helguson. |
Me neither. My point was both Furlong and Helguson were written off by fans before they came good.
Maybe Celar will also come good but I was more optimistic about Dykes and Armstrong!
Prove me wrong Zan. |  | | |
| season not looking good on 14:07 - Jul 13 with 474 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
The worry for me is we are still so light up top, relying on Frey (who can't play every match), Kolli (seemingly injury prone), Kelman (who people reckon wants out) and Celar (jury very much still out). Is the club banned from signing strikers? We still haven't replaced Charlie which is mind-blowing. | | | |
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