| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle 16:46 - Aug 12 with 44645 views | numptydumpty |
Clearly this is our year....
Well likely half the team that won the Premier League Cup will be involved here, so the cup pedigree is there !!!
Probably as Plymouth also stated they likely to field a second team, this could be seen as no more than a preseason friendly...
I have no idea as to the result, performance or team, but am not too hopeful.
Saying that Plymouth have lost almost all their top players, but its a cup game
Random from me.
Plymouth 2 QPR 2
We progress 3- 1 on penalties (Chloe Kelly strikes the winner)
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| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 16:29 - Aug 13 with 1871 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 14:53 - Aug 13 by aston_hoop |
I do wonder if there is some kind of psychological element to this now where because some of these lads have played for QPR in a first team game, clubs higher up the pyramid will consider them an option for loan. For instance Jaiden Putman, having never been in a matchday squad, might have some National League clubs looking. But Jaiden Putman who QPR deem good enough to start against League 1 teams might well tempt lets say a Bromley or a Barnet to take a punt on him in L2. I might be talking tripe, but maybe there is something in the idea that these clubs see us trusting them so take a punt themselves. Because we are crap at getting our younger players actual football league loans |
For the few times I have watched Putman, I have been impressed with him. Quick, tenacious and a decent crosser of the ball. I'd like to think he is one who could hold his own in the Championship. Time will tell. |  |
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| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 16:37 - Aug 13 with 1830 views | Rangersw12 |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 16:29 - Aug 13 by Esox_Lucius |
For the few times I have watched Putman, I have been impressed with him. Quick, tenacious and a decent crosser of the ball. I'd like to think he is one who could hold his own in the Championship. Time will tell. |
Only seen him twice which was last night and the U21 final and both times I've been impressed
I was surprised he wasn't involved more with the first team during pre season |  | | |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 20:43 - Aug 13 with 1631 views | derbyhoop |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 16:37 - Aug 13 by Rangersw12 |
Only seen him twice which was last night and the U21 final and both times I've been impressed
I was surprised he wasn't involved more with the first team during pre season |
Isn't he a bit small, especially for a defender (no Paul Parker comparisons).
He certainly sticks to his task, as seen from the PDL Final and trying to mark Patterson. |  |
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| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 21:11 - Aug 13 with 1560 views | 1JD |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 14:53 - Aug 13 by aston_hoop |
I do wonder if there is some kind of psychological element to this now where because some of these lads have played for QPR in a first team game, clubs higher up the pyramid will consider them an option for loan. For instance Jaiden Putman, having never been in a matchday squad, might have some National League clubs looking. But Jaiden Putman who QPR deem good enough to start against League 1 teams might well tempt lets say a Bromley or a Barnet to take a punt on him in L2. I might be talking tripe, but maybe there is something in the idea that these clubs see us trusting them so take a punt themselves. Because we are crap at getting our younger players actual football league loans |
They aren’t getting league 1 or 2 clubs because they aren’t good enough. Can’t think of one player who has played higher in recent years, than the level he originally went out on loan at. Perhaps Arkell-Jude Boyd. All players in recent years have gone out on loan, to the lower echelons, and largely stayed there. There’s a reason for that.
Also, blooding a 16 / 17 / 18 / 19 year olds, in our “new policy” does not suddenly make them a great talent. They may be exposed to higher age groups earlier, which you hope helps their development, but top talent is top talent and it’s a misnomer that coaching radically changes a players natural ceiling and outcome, with a few exceptions aside.
Stephen Duke-McKenna could have played at 18 years old, and I think he did for Everton in the cup, but doesn’t mean he’s actually any good. We could have blooded Charlie Owens and Ossie Kakay earlier at 18, but again doesn’t make them particularly promising talents. Are we are blooding earlier? Yes, which makes total sense and is long overdue. Are they actually top talents? Jury very much out. | | | |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 21:15 - Aug 13 with 1548 views | 1JD |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 16:29 - Aug 13 by Esox_Lucius |
For the few times I have watched Putman, I have been impressed with him. Quick, tenacious and a decent crosser of the ball. I'd like to think he is one who could hold his own in the Championship. Time will tell. |
Thought he was awful last night, and didn’t want to dig him out, but genuinely surprised if anyone thinks that was a good performance. He was quite literally destroyed, and when he did the ball, his touch was extremely poor , continuously bouncing off him and giving it away for fun.
His height and physicality also seriously goes against him, meaning he has to make it up with exceptional technical ability. He doesn’t have that as evidenced. No chance of making it at QPR, and I’d wager anywhere in professional football unfortunately. | | | |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 23:17 - Aug 13 with 1418 views | mart_Goblin |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 21:15 - Aug 13 by 1JD |
Thought he was awful last night, and didn’t want to dig him out, but genuinely surprised if anyone thinks that was a good performance. He was quite literally destroyed, and when he did the ball, his touch was extremely poor , continuously bouncing off him and giving it away for fun.
His height and physicality also seriously goes against him, meaning he has to make it up with exceptional technical ability. He doesn’t have that as evidenced. No chance of making it at QPR, and I’d wager anywhere in professional football unfortunately. |
Such a ridiculously harsh assessment of one of our young players based on less than 90 minutes of football .
Give constructive criticism of course, but to say he probably won’t make it anywhere in professional football is just a bit unnecessary really isn’t it?
He still has years of learning to do yet.
Ultimately, judging any of them individually is impossible because they will very rarely ALL be thrown under the bus together like that . They will have players around them with experience to guide them through where they will look 10 times better just for having those players around them [Post edited 14 Aug 6:26]
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| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 00:18 - Aug 14 with 1338 views | kensalriser |
Luckily for him he wasn't literally destroyed. Or if he was and I missed it, condolences to his family. |  |
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| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 06:06 - Aug 14 with 1198 views | NorthantsHoop |
Out of all the performances by the youngsters at Plymouth, thought Pearman looked lost and needs vast improvement and Talla when he came on was struggling. Still not sure what position Bennie plays, don't think he does either, sort of a utility player. Anyway good to give these youngsters a chance at a higher level, bit of a shame we don't progress further in the competition, when we had a good chance at 2-0 up. Lack of experience not available on the bench probably did for us in that 2nd half |  | | |
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| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 09:41 - Aug 14 with 1045 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 21:15 - Aug 13 by 1JD |
Thought he was awful last night, and didn’t want to dig him out, but genuinely surprised if anyone thinks that was a good performance. He was quite literally destroyed, and when he did the ball, his touch was extremely poor , continuously bouncing off him and giving it away for fun.
His height and physicality also seriously goes against him, meaning he has to make it up with exceptional technical ability. He doesn’t have that as evidenced. No chance of making it at QPR, and I’d wager anywhere in professional football unfortunately. |
What amazes me is that some are not prepared to cut a youngster, on his debut, any slack. He is an 18yo.
Awful and destroyed did not reflect his performance whatsoever, again OTT. As the game went on, he improved.
The point I would agree with is his physical attributes, which might hold him back, but he is only 18, so there's plenty of time to bulk up. | |
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| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 10:00 - Aug 14 with 996 views | lassel |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 09:41 - Aug 14 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
What amazes me is that some are not prepared to cut a youngster, on his debut, any slack. He is an 18yo.
Awful and destroyed did not reflect his performance whatsoever, again OTT. As the game went on, he improved.
The point I would agree with is his physical attributes, which might hold him back, but he is only 18, so there's plenty of time to bulk up. |
It’s a bit much to say he improved as he went on, he was targeted all night by Plymouth and they had plenty of success down his side, especially once Talla came on who was unfortunately struggled massively.
Another one btw who by Nourrys public edict should be gone, but instead is still hanging around at 21 with no prospect of ever making it at the club…… | | | |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 10:06 - Aug 14 with 950 views | dmm |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 10:00 - Aug 14 by lassel |
It’s a bit much to say he improved as he went on, he was targeted all night by Plymouth and they had plenty of success down his side, especially once Talla came on who was unfortunately struggled massively.
Another one btw who by Nourrys public edict should be gone, but instead is still hanging around at 21 with no prospect of ever making it at the club…… |
Talla is 20. |  | | |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 10:55 - Aug 14 with 866 views | 1JD |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 23:17 - Aug 13 by mart_Goblin |
Such a ridiculously harsh assessment of one of our young players based on less than 90 minutes of football .
Give constructive criticism of course, but to say he probably won’t make it anywhere in professional football is just a bit unnecessary really isn’t it?
He still has years of learning to do yet.
Ultimately, judging any of them individually is impossible because they will very rarely ALL be thrown under the bus together like that . They will have players around them with experience to guide them through where they will look 10 times better just for having those players around them [Post edited 14 Aug 6:26]
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Sorry but been watching the youth team for 10+ years and regularly posted on this site about it. It becomes quite obvious regarding those who will make it, and those that won’t. He’s firmly in the latter category, unfortunately. Seen him several times, it’s not a one off judgement. He requires exceptional technical ability to make up for his tiny frame and size, and he just doesn’t have that. Reminds me of Aaron Drewe. Tenacious, fast, small, good in the tackle, but lacking in technical ability needed at championship level at least. [Post edited 14 Aug 11:00]
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| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 12:52 - Aug 14 with 697 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 00:18 - Aug 14 by kensalriser |
Luckily for him he wasn't literally destroyed. Or if he was and I missed it, condolences to his family. |
That would be the worst debut we've ever had i'd say.
Kieran Dyer's was the closest we've come. |  | | |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 13:03 - Aug 14 with 685 views | mart_Goblin |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 10:55 - Aug 14 by 1JD |
Sorry but been watching the youth team for 10+ years and regularly posted on this site about it. It becomes quite obvious regarding those who will make it, and those that won’t. He’s firmly in the latter category, unfortunately. Seen him several times, it’s not a one off judgement. He requires exceptional technical ability to make up for his tiny frame and size, and he just doesn’t have that. Reminds me of Aaron Drewe. Tenacious, fast, small, good in the tackle, but lacking in technical ability needed at championship level at least. [Post edited 14 Aug 11:00]
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Ok I’ll take that on board .
How about as a suggestion then , not telling you what to do as you are obviously free to say what you like , but maybe then just show him a little respect .
In footballing terms he is a baby . A kid .
When players get older and experienced then I think criticism is part of the job .
But that’s his first ever game in professional football .
It would have been a huge evening for him and the others on Tuesday .
I was a youth team player for the Rangers in a past life and can only imagine how he felt and the buzz he will have this week .
But times have changed. There is a chance he’d be on pages like this to see what people think .
It’s a terrible idea but kids these days are addicted to this stuff.
Would have scared me to death to even look but to read someone who most likely has never played at that level (although I don’t know of course )tell the world I dont have any chance in professional football would crush me .
Now hopefully that’s one of the many many differences between 2 Bob players like I was and young lad like this .
But let’s not test that so early in his career, eh? | | | |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 13:06 - Aug 14 with 673 views | derbyhoop |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 10:55 - Aug 14 by 1JD |
Sorry but been watching the youth team for 10+ years and regularly posted on this site about it. It becomes quite obvious regarding those who will make it, and those that won’t. He’s firmly in the latter category, unfortunately. Seen him several times, it’s not a one off judgement. He requires exceptional technical ability to make up for his tiny frame and size, and he just doesn’t have that. Reminds me of Aaron Drewe. Tenacious, fast, small, good in the tackle, but lacking in technical ability needed at championship level at least. [Post edited 14 Aug 11:00]
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I don't think he was great and his size is going to count against him. He probably won't make it as an EFL player, but looks good enough for National League, based on the couple of times I've seen him. His tenacity should carry him a bit further than his ability. | |
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| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 19:09 - Aug 14 with 483 views | 1JD |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 13:03 - Aug 14 by mart_Goblin |
Ok I’ll take that on board .
How about as a suggestion then , not telling you what to do as you are obviously free to say what you like , but maybe then just show him a little respect .
In footballing terms he is a baby . A kid .
When players get older and experienced then I think criticism is part of the job .
But that’s his first ever game in professional football .
It would have been a huge evening for him and the others on Tuesday .
I was a youth team player for the Rangers in a past life and can only imagine how he felt and the buzz he will have this week .
But times have changed. There is a chance he’d be on pages like this to see what people think .
It’s a terrible idea but kids these days are addicted to this stuff.
Would have scared me to death to even look but to read someone who most likely has never played at that level (although I don’t know of course )tell the world I dont have any chance in professional football would crush me .
Now hopefully that’s one of the many many differences between 2 Bob players like I was and young lad like this .
But let’s not test that so early in his career, eh? |
Point taken, especially given your background and context. But I’m not really here to worry about what a youth team player thinks about my comment. Even if as I said, I was loathesome to post it. What I am seeing is a completely over the top praise on certain players at the Ossie Kakay level, and frankly, likely a lot lower. Just because they are young, doesn’t not make them a top talent as I posted earlier.
I’m more concerned at a club level, throwing several young players into the mix, for the purpose of statistics, or to try and bring about the illusion we are bringing through young academy talents at will. We are not, many of those players, as hard as they worked, are miles off it. Let’s not con ourselves because it sounds good, or because we need to pander to players on socials. And effort of players is the bare minimum, I hoped and expected to see quality. Only Tylon Smyth passed that. Kolli, Vale, Burrell also, but they are first team.
And Nourry, whilst I agree with the overall direction, needs to be called out. Some have got little to no chance of making it at QPR. Perhaps it was a sink or swim moment, by design. But there were some alarming performances. [Post edited 14 Aug 19:10]
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| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 19:21 - Aug 14 with 450 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 19:09 - Aug 14 by 1JD |
Point taken, especially given your background and context. But I’m not really here to worry about what a youth team player thinks about my comment. Even if as I said, I was loathesome to post it. What I am seeing is a completely over the top praise on certain players at the Ossie Kakay level, and frankly, likely a lot lower. Just because they are young, doesn’t not make them a top talent as I posted earlier.
I’m more concerned at a club level, throwing several young players into the mix, for the purpose of statistics, or to try and bring about the illusion we are bringing through young academy talents at will. We are not, many of those players, as hard as they worked, are miles off it. Let’s not con ourselves because it sounds good, or because we need to pander to players on socials. And effort of players is the bare minimum, I hoped and expected to see quality. Only Tylon Smyth passed that. Kolli, Vale, Burrell also, but they are first team.
And Nourry, whilst I agree with the overall direction, needs to be called out. Some have got little to no chance of making it at QPR. Perhaps it was a sink or swim moment, by design. But there were some alarming performances. [Post edited 14 Aug 19:10]
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Ossie Kakay is playing in Europe this season.
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| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 20:10 - Aug 14 with 387 views | lassel |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 19:21 - Aug 14 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Ossie Kakay is playing in Europe this season.
Just saying. |
Because he is having to play in a farmers league as he failed a trial in L1 this summer… | | | |
| Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 20:14 - Aug 14 with 374 views | Pdog |
Maybe it only takes one Tylon Smith being sold for £10m to make it all worth it.. |  | | |
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