Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle 16:46 - Aug 12 with 40522 views | numptydumpty | Clearly this is our year.... Well likely half the team that won the Premier League Cup will be involved here, so the cup pedigree is there !!! Probably as Plymouth also stated they likely to field a second team, this could be seen as no more than a preseason friendly... I have no idea as to the result, performance or team, but am not too hopeful. Saying that Plymouth have lost almost all their top players, but its a cup game Random from me. Plymouth 2 QPR 2 We progress 3- 1 on penalties (Chloe Kelly strikes the winner) |  |
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Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:21 - Aug 12 with 2608 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 21:57 - Aug 12 by Dominkingston | So. Had a long chat with my mate Tony today…..life long Plymouth fan….we haven’t spoken in a while since they got relegated……but the game tonight got us chatting……turns out he has been diagnosed with prostate cancer…..we laughed about the times we’d seen our teams and he had no hope about tonight……I told him we would gift him a win……and we did! So happy days for my mate but FFS let us make an effort!! Lots of love to all who travelled…. |
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Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:24 - Aug 12 with 2541 views | Bluce_Ree | Exactly what I expected and less. |  |
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Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:24 - Aug 12 with 2545 views | bosh67 | https://www.skysports.com/football/video/26896/13410778/plymouth-3-2-qpr-carabao Well I guess my takeaways from this, on the plus side are... Burrell looks very good and probably doesn't need to help out at the back. Nardi's penalty save was top drawer. Vale looks good. Kolli generally looked okay. Bennie too. It definitely felt like an exercise to see who from the youngsters could potentially cut it. A long way for the fans to go and pay to watch an experiment though. Hopefully none of the players left at home watching it snapped a hamstring getting a Kitkat from the kitchen at half time! |  |
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Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:32 - Aug 12 with 2395 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:06 - Aug 12 by A40Bosh | I genuinely believe that there was an agreement or dictate from CN at the start of the season that Furs’ squad would be front and centre for the cup 1st round. Tonight clearly gives Stephan a pass in terms of decision making for a cup game and protects his 1st team from further injuries ahead of Watford (I really do. It want to be sat in Vicarage Road 0-4 after 18 mins again). If we get a point or a win on Saturday tonight will be forgotten as it is (for me) every other year. |
Yeah maybe. Someone asked about the Cup prospects at the fan forum didn’t they, and either JS or Nourry were quick to highlight his cup credentials. Was tosh wasn’t it? |  | |  |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:32 - Aug 12 with 2387 views | ted_hendrix |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 21:57 - Aug 12 by Dominkingston | So. Had a long chat with my mate Tony today…..life long Plymouth fan….we haven’t spoken in a while since they got relegated……but the game tonight got us chatting……turns out he has been diagnosed with prostate cancer…..we laughed about the times we’d seen our teams and he had no hope about tonight……I told him we would gift him a win……and we did! So happy days for my mate but FFS let us make an effort!! Lots of love to all who travelled…. |
Best wishes and all the luck going for your mate Tony. |  |
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Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:49 - Aug 12 with 2194 views | Toast_R |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:24 - Aug 12 by Bluce_Ree | Exactly what I expected and less. |
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Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:56 - Aug 12 with 2085 views | QPunkR |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:49 - Aug 12 by Toast_R | You can say that again |
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Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:56 - Aug 12 with 2090 views | EuroRanger | I expected, even advocated for, a young side tonight. But to me, a young side meant Nardi - Adamson - Cook - Akindeleni - Vale - Field - Tuck - Bennie / Pearman - Sutton - Kolli - Burrell i.e. a mix of youngsters coming through and first teamers. This would've blooded young players while giving us a better chance. The line-up was shocking and an insult to the 1000 fans who went IMO. No disgrace to the DS players who put up a good fight, but you can't expect them to beat a League 1 side, and it meant we basically forfeited the game. By all means we should be rotating the squad and giving time to youth, but not like this. This was too far. |  | |  | Login to get fewer ads
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:57 - Aug 12 with 2074 views | 1JD | Great effort, and cannot be faulted, but there was zero quality on show. First half was dire, but somehow we went in 2-0 up. Second half equally as bad. I at least expected us to be able to pass the ball around with a few passages of play, but it took until the around 80th minute or so for one triangle and a sequence of about 4-5 passes in a row, without losing it. Which was generally the pattern of our play. We gave the ball away time and time again, continuously turning over possession due to poor touches and technique. Several players either turned in worrying cameos and there were others who looked totally out of their depth. Aussie boys in CM a real concern for me. Bennie needs to start showing what he has got, because it’s hard to see it. Game passed him by. Pearman very weak. Putman will surely have nightmares. Overall, the two centre halves were the most promising, Smith and Wilkie. |  | |  |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 23:05 - Aug 12 with 1996 views | joolsyp |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:01 - Aug 12 by aston_hoop | For those of you who genuinely don't think JS picked the side today, what next then? Because a head coach not picking the line up is an issue right? Like a proper big issue? I am not sure I believe it personally |
For sure he had input, I'm not saying he was handed a piece of paper from CN/Williams and told to get on with it. But there are delusional people on here peddling the line that he picked that team himself, on his own. That would be throwing himself under a bus in just his second match in charge - why would you do that? |  | |  |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 23:09 - Aug 12 with 1940 views | Gus_iom |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 21:55 - Aug 12 by BrianMcCarthy | I thought your post was great. So much to think about: I would have played Walsh - as you say he needs minutes and I think you should play your first-choice keeper in knockout games (if that's what Walsh is now). If they didn't agree with those reasons, I thought they should have picked Salamon. At half-time Nardi's performance was putting pressure on the new, young No.1. By full-time it was putting pressure on himself and we've managed to devalue one of our players. To get back to your post, I'm not sure any of the three goalies named are helped by tonight? |
Or maybe Nardi is just considered our number 2 now, and they aren't expecting to offload him, so gave him the game, which lots of teams do. I would like to have seen Walsh get more minutes, but possibly not with that defence in front of him. To those castigating young debutants on the back of that game....really? Personally, I thought EDB showed why he doesn't get much game time. Does some nice things, but drifts through games. He gets given opportunities, just never seizes them. |  |
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Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 23:22 - Aug 12 with 1843 views | davman |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 21:02 - Aug 12 by Wilkinswatercarrier | If anyone is wondering why Nardi is not number 1 then both goals are examples. Can't deal with crosses, but Walsh can. Plymouth have targeted that 2nd half. Kinda ironic that the oldest player in the team is responsible for both goals. Good test for them now. |
Walsh spilled a cross on Saturday and almost cost us the game. It is just a matter of time with him. He kicked a ball straight out into the Stanley Stand on Saturday uncontested from about 5 yards in from the touch line. He is NOT the answer and should be nowhere near our no.1. Nardi proved tonight that he can kick, can save, but does not leave his goalline. He cost us at least one goal tonight and should be nowhere near our no. 1. Murphy Cooper has had season long loans ending up as the PotS at those other clubs. He should be close to being our no.1, but they have loaned him out. Odd... |  |
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Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 23:23 - Aug 12 with 1839 views | davman |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 21:11 - Aug 12 by qprd | There’s an under 9 we might throw out there |
Yep, because he's fit and can count to that bs availability figure. If he is one of the 85%, he might as well get a run out... |  |
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Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 23:23 - Aug 12 with 1833 views | davman |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:32 - Aug 12 by BazzaInTheLoft | Yeah maybe. Someone asked about the Cup prospects at the fan forum didn’t they, and either JS or Nourry were quick to highlight his cup credentials. Was tosh wasn’t it? |
Yep it was. Lots of things that night were tosh too. The CLOWN CLUB is alive and well... |  |
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Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle (n/t) on 23:25 - Aug 12 with 1808 views | queensparker |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 21:46 - Aug 12 by mart_Goblin | Not trying to get anything from this game now Just statistics and charts for Nourry’s next PowerPoint . Congratulations to these youngsters getting debuts and minutes . Genuinely happy for them and they would have learned alot . The comment about Putnam ‘not ever playing for the first team again ‘ on here a little while ago just makes me feel physically sick that fans talk about our young players like that . He’s a f*cking kid making his debut. Fans maybe . Supporters? Not so sure . We have an injury crisis at the club like almost never before which is saying something . But make no mistake . Thee have been many players come and gone who were better than some of these and various stages that got NoWHERE near the 1st team . Another chapter of ego and self serving garbage that is running rampant at our club which a lot of you are only too happy to wave through like it’s ‘great’. There are huge red flags . One of which seems to be the head coach going along with this utter guff. I could go on but what’s the point . A small shout to EDB and Nardi tonight . Never mind their performance. Professional and committed in everything they did when really , they’ve been hung out to dry completely. They should be looking for exit for their own sakes . |
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Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 23:25 - Aug 12 with 1806 views | E17hoop | Stephan is picking teams for 3 games. I'd much prefer we fielded fewer first teamers today and give us a fighting chance against Watford. Having said that, the lack of legs in the dev squad was disappointing. Interesting how we see the games though; I thought Kolli was pretty rotten. 50% pass success rate and missed a sitter. [Post edited 12 Aug 23:26]
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Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 23:27 - Aug 12 with 1788 views | mart_Goblin | What self respecting head coach , when 3-2 down in a cup game with 8 minutes left decides to put on 2x 16 year olds and 17 year old . Now it would be different if they were Wayne Rooney or Michael Owen. But we know very well that these are bright young prospects but way , way out of their depth here . So , A) Julien Stephan thought these kids could get us back in the game or B) it was just about getting them on the pitch . Not winning . Just stats . Sod the fans that went . Sod the fans watching at home and sod the dismal pathetic cup (and league for the matter ) slop we continue to turn out year after year . Just about statistics . At no point were we ever trying to win that game . How we found ourselves 2-0 up I’ll never know . And it showed. It showed in the post match interview . It’s the clubs process . It’s the project Stephan said it multiple times . Never once about Winning . He looked delighted frankly which scares me to death . We have big problems right now. We may be in a much better place in 2 or 3 seasons . We will see. But right now there are things a foot that fans need to open their eyes too. Above all and the thing that grinds my gears more then anything is we’ll still go to Watford and stink the plsce out and get beat . You just know it . |  | |  |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 07:15 - Aug 13 with 1344 views | lassel |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 22:02 - Aug 12 by mart_Goblin | Totally agree with your first paragraph. I mean WWC is on his own little path . Best just to ignore Totally disagree with your second . You throw them all in together then of course they will struggle . But ‘absolutely none’? Come on man . You had Esquirdinha and Morgan as 2 of our better players just 72 hours ago . You bleed them into an experienced team then they might just have a chance . You can’t just write them off after tonight . It’s reactionary and misses the point . They shouldn’t have been thrown in like this in the first place. Just so the CEO can use it as statistics down the road . |
Obviously Mart I wasn’t suggesting you thrown them out together in a league game, I’m an idiot, I’m not a sadist. As you say, you introduce one or two, minutes here and there with experienced players to hopefully manage them through the game. But even the two centre backs who looked most comfortable out there could never be put into a championship match even with Cook or Morrison alongside them, it would be as traumatic as when Joe Gubbins was ritualistically sacrificed on the pitch at Watford.. |  | |  |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 07:19 - Aug 13 with 1327 views | mart_Goblin |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 07:15 - Aug 13 by lassel | Obviously Mart I wasn’t suggesting you thrown them out together in a league game, I’m an idiot, I’m not a sadist. As you say, you introduce one or two, minutes here and there with experienced players to hopefully manage them through the game. But even the two centre backs who looked most comfortable out there could never be put into a championship match even with Cook or Morrison alongside them, it would be as traumatic as when Joe Gubbins was ritualistically sacrificed on the pitch at Watford.. |
Ok mate , maybe I misunderstood slightly in the midst of my fury last night 😆. I thought you was suggesting that none of them had any chance of ‘ever ‘ playing for the 1st team in a championship game. Apologies if I misunderstood. |  | |  |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 07:38 - Aug 13 with 1258 views | lassel | In retrospect, the two most damning takeaways are that Petrie who was already too old this summer by Nourrys edict to paled or the club, was given a new contract by him and not even in the travelling party, instead being played RWB for the EDS team instead, and Dixon-Bonner who was given a new multi year contract by Nourry being sent out at DM to try and desperately rustle up some interested party to take him off our hands. #cooking |  | |  |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 07:43 - Aug 13 with 1217 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 23:27 - Aug 12 by mart_Goblin | What self respecting head coach , when 3-2 down in a cup game with 8 minutes left decides to put on 2x 16 year olds and 17 year old . Now it would be different if they were Wayne Rooney or Michael Owen. But we know very well that these are bright young prospects but way , way out of their depth here . So , A) Julien Stephan thought these kids could get us back in the game or B) it was just about getting them on the pitch . Not winning . Just stats . Sod the fans that went . Sod the fans watching at home and sod the dismal pathetic cup (and league for the matter ) slop we continue to turn out year after year . Just about statistics . At no point were we ever trying to win that game . How we found ourselves 2-0 up I’ll never know . And it showed. It showed in the post match interview . It’s the clubs process . It’s the project Stephan said it multiple times . Never once about Winning . He looked delighted frankly which scares me to death . We have big problems right now. We may be in a much better place in 2 or 3 seasons . We will see. But right now there are things a foot that fans need to open their eyes too. Above all and the thing that grinds my gears more then anything is we’ll still go to Watford and stink the plsce out and get beat . You just know it . |
Yes, that's what I find most bizarre. Why not play a few youngsters, win the match and build some confidence for Saturday? Forfeiting it doesn't achieve anything. Will a young player sink or swim based on getting 10 minutes in a League Cup game against Plymouth? Of course not. One thing is clear: Stephan is Nourry's man and will follow his instructions whatever the consequences. A very different scenario to last season. |  | |  |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 08:09 - Aug 13 with 1128 views | Mr_Beef |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 23:25 - Aug 12 by E17hoop | Stephan is picking teams for 3 games. I'd much prefer we fielded fewer first teamers today and give us a fighting chance against Watford. Having said that, the lack of legs in the dev squad was disappointing. Interesting how we see the games though; I thought Kolli was pretty rotten. 50% pass success rate and missed a sitter. [Post edited 12 Aug 23:26]
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That will have been the first time the majority of those players have played a game of that sort of intensity. They were also chasing the ball for most of it. It was inevitable that they would run out of steam, but they weren't helped by the manager's poor use of the bench. Not that he'd selected much on it to help. |  | |  |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 08:54 - Aug 13 with 988 views | qpr1976 |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 21:33 - Aug 12 by dm97 | One of their best players - Paterson - is now down injured. If we had played Dembele and this happened everyone here would be giving the club stick. Cake and eating it |
But their in the next round of the cup, more money and interest and the chance of a big home game. If Dembele got injured, Smyth would have been fit by them. Are we not bothered about 2 of the 3 competitions we enter ? If not, why enter them, give Everybody a week off after 1 game of the season….. |  | |  |
Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 10:55 - Aug 13 with 762 views | kingsburyR | Things I took from last are as follows * Burrell is fast. And I mean rapid by the looks of it * Nardi is a better keeper than Walsh currently (although a bit dodge on crosses) * Having got pumped up to half time but leading 2-0 (25% possession) and seeing us take Burrell off at HT I stuck £20 on Plymouth at 9/2. They scored their first a minute later. So its not all doom and gloom. |  |
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Carabao Cup Winners thread - victim one - Plymouth Argyle on 14:53 - Aug 13 with 512 views | aston_hoop | I do wonder if there is some kind of psychological element to this now where because some of these lads have played for QPR in a first team game, clubs higher up the pyramid will consider them an option for loan. For instance Jaiden Putman, having never been in a matchday squad, might have some National League clubs looking. But Jaiden Putman who QPR deem good enough to start against League 1 teams might well tempt lets say a Bromley or a Barnet to take a punt on him in L2. I might be talking tripe, but maybe there is something in the idea that these clubs see us trusting them so take a punt themselves. Because we are crap at getting our younger players actual football league loans |  |
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