| Just back - Watford reflections 19:25 - Aug 16 with 10932 views | dannyblue |
Mbengue was not good at left back.
Cook has lost some pace and with that some confidence. A couple times he overcommitted early because, I guess, he didn't think he'd be able to recover.
Unlike last week, Field played deep and Madsen further forward.
Even so, Sammy arrived on two good chances...and put them both wide. A theme.
Madsen effete, as so often.
Burrell promising and physical.
Some games Dembele just gets bullied by the big boys. Needs to learn how to con fouls from Smyth the master.
Ref was annoying and a bit of a homer, but of course we've known worse and it didn't affect the result.
We looked pretty good for the 20 minutes we had a balanced 11 (i.e., once Esquerdinha and Varane came on, and before Celar came one).
What a hit from Kieran.
Chair worked really hard. Would love to see his heat map.
We'll be ok if we can get anything like our first 11 playing regularly. [Post edited 16 Aug 19:26]
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| Just back - Watford reflections on 09:39 - Aug 17 with 1446 views | Paddyhoops |
Watford didn’t do a lot apart the two goals in the first half .They Came back into in the last ten minutes when we were blowing out our arse. In between big f**king giants fell about a lot and Try’d to con the referee . It was a sending off and it was funny to see him losing his shit as he went off.
As for us . We knew the full back positions would be a problem and so it proved .
One or two people not happy with Chair and Cook .
Don’t get that myself. Chair was very busy and thought Cook was decent.
Watching the team warm up , I was struck by how big a unit Kone is.
I think he’s going to do very well for us.
One last thing . Having lived in Watford for the last 25 years and being a regular at this fixture.
It never fails to amaze how quiet and passive there fans are.
Library indeed. |  | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 09:44 - Aug 17 with 1408 views | JamesB1979 |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 09:38 - Aug 17 by GaryBannister86 |
What I can't get my head around is if the manager has to do what the CEO / DofF tells him to do (I presume no-one knows this for certain, but the team selection on Tuesday and picking Madsen in that midfield today would perhaps indicate otherwise) then OK, I understand that is the game model and the modern way. I don't like it as an old fart, but I can see what the overall idea is.
I would be concerned enough as it is, but could let it go, if that was being driven by a chief that was Mark Warburton or Steve Gallen or some such experienced football luminary. But if this is being driven by someone with literally zero experience of managing teams, seems inexplicable to me. Or does this where de Souza (?) etc etc come in? I don't understand how it all works.
I would love someone at the club, honestly, tell us why the Tuesday selection was made and why a manager who has allegedly done his homework and watched our entire last season can think picking that midfield away at Watford is the right thing to do. I am not a tactics man but even I posted on seeing the teamsheet that the midfield doesn't work.
Fair enough if it was the manager's sole decision and mistake. Fair enough (if inexplicable) if it was driven from above. I would just like to know. Because then the manager's "fatigue" post-match comment could lead to all sorts of questions being posed at the right people. |
Come on. He’s not picking the team for Stephan. That’s ridiculous. And to use your example of Steve Gallen or Warburton, it would also be ridiculous them doing it. Call Nourry out for recruitment, communication, Williams role but not who turns out in the team against Watford. Got to look through the hatred for the guy. All last season it was Nourry is making Marti play 4231, Marti is still paying 4231. | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 09:47 - Aug 17 with 1393 views | Rsole |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 08:39 - Aug 17 by Big_Mac |
He supposedly watched all our games from last year so you’d hoped he’d have already learned all of this. |
Reminded of that famous quote….
‘When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth’
I don’t think he’s lying about watching the games and therefore I think it’s probably the case that someone else has to be picking that starting team and formation.
At least it was changed up at half time because that could have been a serious spanking. Hope he locked the dressing room door whilst he was doing his job. |  |
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| Just back - Watford reflections on 09:49 - Aug 17 with 1376 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 09:44 - Aug 17 by JamesB1979 |
Come on. He’s not picking the team for Stephan. That’s ridiculous. And to use your example of Steve Gallen or Warburton, it would also be ridiculous them doing it. Call Nourry out for recruitment, communication, Williams role but not who turns out in the team against Watford. Got to look through the hatred for the guy. All last season it was Nourry is making Marti play 4231, Marti is still paying 4231. |
Hang on - I'm not saying he is picking the team for Stephan. I am saying I don't quite understand who is picking what or deciding what.
In the old days, I would be heavily critical of Stephan's team selections for Tuesday and yesterday. All I am saying is I am not absolutely sure who is driving what so I don't know who to be worried about.
I would like to think you are right in your confidence it is the manager. But then, pretty poor from the manager so far - let's hope he works it out fast. And he fibbed about how much homework he had done. |  | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 09:54 - Aug 17 with 1335 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
What killed us was Mbengue at LB. Stephan plays with the FBs very high and supporting the attack, which is great as it gives us overloads etc, but f#ck me does it leave the two CBs exposed.
It works if at least one of your CBs is very quick, strong and powerful like Mbengue, but take him out and my God Cook and Morrison were running through treacle.
I'm afraid that was on the manager.
The positive was the 2nd half and that the issues are very fixable and that game may well have been 'Welcome to The Championship ' for Stephan. I don't think he'll make that mistake again. | |
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| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:00 - Aug 17 with 1281 views | StreathamRanger |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 09:44 - Aug 17 by JamesB1979 |
Come on. He’s not picking the team for Stephan. That’s ridiculous. And to use your example of Steve Gallen or Warburton, it would also be ridiculous them doing it. Call Nourry out for recruitment, communication, Williams role but not who turns out in the team against Watford. Got to look through the hatred for the guy. All last season it was Nourry is making Marti play 4231, Marti is still paying 4231. |
Marti's Leicester played a 4-2-3-1 against Preston and lost. It's the championship. Bar the odd team, everyone beats each other. We'll win a game in the next few that we shouldn't on paper. Hopefully next week at Coventry. | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:01 - Aug 17 with 1275 views | JamesB1979 |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 09:49 - Aug 17 by GaryBannister86 |
Hang on - I'm not saying he is picking the team for Stephan. I am saying I don't quite understand who is picking what or deciding what.
In the old days, I would be heavily critical of Stephan's team selections for Tuesday and yesterday. All I am saying is I am not absolutely sure who is driving what so I don't know who to be worried about.
I would like to think you are right in your confidence it is the manager. But then, pretty poor from the manager so far - let's hope he works it out fast. And he fibbed about how much homework he had done. |
I don’t know what went on mid week. But I’ve no doubt he is 100% picking the side yesterday. I think coaches look at the tapes and think “I know better” and “I can make x and y work”. I was worried in pre season that he seemed to think Madsen would be 1 of a midfield 2. And that’s what he has been picking. However, Varane has been unavailable so his hands are slightly tied. The “good” is that he did replace Madsen and Varane, leaving Field on. So, maybe we will not see Madsen in the 2 again. | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:15 - Aug 17 with 1196 views | mart_Goblin |
Lots of really good posts on here dissecting ,what as fans , we can see that needs desperate surgery before the transfer window ends really .
Fantastic point about Esquirdinha .
If you prepare for the season with Larkeche as first choice and Esquirdinha as back up , which is clearly what pre season suggested , and don’t get anyone else in , then why not play Esq. when it’s necessary?
I would suggest that Stéphan thinks he can’t trust him yet (away from home against wingers) , so straight away we are in the same situation we were this time last year , when the head coach wasn’t happy with the squad he was given .
We might get loans in , but as Hunterhoop said, we have already started p*ssing away games (only 2 league games admittedly …but the squad is full of holes ) whilst the head coach tries to shuffle this lop sided , weak , unfit and leaky squad .
Certain players can’t play more than a half , certain players play just to cover the weakness elsewhere (Smyth played ultimately to help Mbengue …almost sacrificing his game …it’s mad).
On the other side Dembele gives a Morgan no cover and at times Morgan gave Morgan no cover 😄 , giving Morrison to wide an area to cover . And I could go on .
Cook looks as stiff as board and either frightened of his injury or it’s affecting him. Everything he does is at its most basic .
Mbengue was good last week . Put Vale in there at left back . He has played there before .
I bang on relentlessly (I’m sorry ) about the pattern of play (ok Methodology 🤮) , but it has such serious flaws.
Another is our wide men being so wide that it leaves huge chasms of space that 2 in midfield , especially Madsen, can’t cover . We are so open it’s embarrassing and I felt embarrassed yesterday.
Not at the performance particularly, but the way we play , the squad assembled and the square pegs in round holes all over the place .
If I was Burrell this morning , I’d be quietly reflecting and wondering if i’d made the right move .
Played in 3 games (albeit not full games ) and only 1 half chance created alongside Kone being the main striker .
Which leads me once again back to that last question aimed at the panel at the fans forum .
Is there a plan B?
For me that. Caught them out and there was no real answer .
Will Burrell get to play alongside Kone?
We cannot just be so rigid in our ‘plan A’. I don’t want to hark back to Marti , because he has gone , only because he was the last coach , but he tried this and it didn’t work , so he done his thing and clearly the CEO didn’t like it .
Why rest Adamson in midweek if not to play him , even for a bit on the Saturday .
Because it was a tick box excercise in midweek. A cup match thrown away to use statistics down the road .
There’s no other explanation.
And if the head coach feels he isn’t ready then once again the recruitment hasn’t been good enough and around and around we go..
I fear history repeating itself here .
I hope I’m wrong . I desperately hope I’m wrong . |  | | |
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| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:21 - Aug 17 with 1158 views | nix |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 09:49 - Aug 17 by GaryBannister86 |
Hang on - I'm not saying he is picking the team for Stephan. I am saying I don't quite understand who is picking what or deciding what.
In the old days, I would be heavily critical of Stephan's team selections for Tuesday and yesterday. All I am saying is I am not absolutely sure who is driving what so I don't know who to be worried about.
I would like to think you are right in your confidence it is the manager. But then, pretty poor from the manager so far - let's hope he works it out fast. And he fibbed about how much homework he had done. |
No you're not exactly saying it seems to me you're doing that plague of SM everywhere thing that I think came from the tabloid media (the Brexit campaign and anti-vaxxers absolutely loved it) where you present a possible scenario 'if this is what is happening, then...'. It's useful because if you get called out on it you just say well I didn't actually say it was the case I was just speculating. But then you get to slag off whatever is the real target of your irritation without any evidence it's true.
Also people read these things often enough they believe them, they don't notice your buried away disclaimers. People start sayings like Nourry is definitely picking the team. Then it becomes an accepted fact. Like Marti was forced out of the club when he's been applying for jobs for a long time, I heard as early as last summer.
Now we all speculate of course and that's normal and fine but when it starts to invade so many posts in the way I've described it doesn't seem to me to be done in the spirit of genuine enquiry. |  | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:29 - Aug 17 with 1102 views | francisbowles |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:15 - Aug 17 by mart_Goblin |
Lots of really good posts on here dissecting ,what as fans , we can see that needs desperate surgery before the transfer window ends really .
Fantastic point about Esquirdinha .
If you prepare for the season with Larkeche as first choice and Esquirdinha as back up , which is clearly what pre season suggested , and don’t get anyone else in , then why not play Esq. when it’s necessary?
I would suggest that Stéphan thinks he can’t trust him yet (away from home against wingers) , so straight away we are in the same situation we were this time last year , when the head coach wasn’t happy with the squad he was given .
We might get loans in , but as Hunterhoop said, we have already started p*ssing away games (only 2 league games admittedly …but the squad is full of holes ) whilst the head coach tries to shuffle this lop sided , weak , unfit and leaky squad .
Certain players can’t play more than a half , certain players play just to cover the weakness elsewhere (Smyth played ultimately to help Mbengue …almost sacrificing his game …it’s mad).
On the other side Dembele gives a Morgan no cover and at times Morgan gave Morgan no cover 😄 , giving Morrison to wide an area to cover . And I could go on .
Cook looks as stiff as board and either frightened of his injury or it’s affecting him. Everything he does is at its most basic .
Mbengue was good last week . Put Vale in there at left back . He has played there before .
I bang on relentlessly (I’m sorry ) about the pattern of play (ok Methodology 🤮) , but it has such serious flaws.
Another is our wide men being so wide that it leaves huge chasms of space that 2 in midfield , especially Madsen, can’t cover . We are so open it’s embarrassing and I felt embarrassed yesterday.
Not at the performance particularly, but the way we play , the squad assembled and the square pegs in round holes all over the place .
If I was Burrell this morning , I’d be quietly reflecting and wondering if i’d made the right move .
Played in 3 games (albeit not full games ) and only 1 half chance created alongside Kone being the main striker .
Which leads me once again back to that last question aimed at the panel at the fans forum .
Is there a plan B?
For me that. Caught them out and there was no real answer .
Will Burrell get to play alongside Kone?
We cannot just be so rigid in our ‘plan A’. I don’t want to hark back to Marti , because he has gone , only because he was the last coach , but he tried this and it didn’t work , so he done his thing and clearly the CEO didn’t like it .
Why rest Adamson in midweek if not to play him , even for a bit on the Saturday .
Because it was a tick box excercise in midweek. A cup match thrown away to use statistics down the road .
There’s no other explanation.
And if the head coach feels he isn’t ready then once again the recruitment hasn’t been good enough and around and around we go..
I fear history repeating itself here .
I hope I’m wrong . I desperately hope I’m wrong . |
Very good post and tend to agree with most if not all of it.
Minor point in mitigation, I think Morgan picked up a knock last Saturday and on Tuesday may have been doubtful for yesterday. However, I still think Adamson could have done with an hour on Tuesday. | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:32 - Aug 17 with 1068 views | JamesB1979 |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:15 - Aug 17 by mart_Goblin |
Lots of really good posts on here dissecting ,what as fans , we can see that needs desperate surgery before the transfer window ends really .
Fantastic point about Esquirdinha .
If you prepare for the season with Larkeche as first choice and Esquirdinha as back up , which is clearly what pre season suggested , and don’t get anyone else in , then why not play Esq. when it’s necessary?
I would suggest that Stéphan thinks he can’t trust him yet (away from home against wingers) , so straight away we are in the same situation we were this time last year , when the head coach wasn’t happy with the squad he was given .
We might get loans in , but as Hunterhoop said, we have already started p*ssing away games (only 2 league games admittedly …but the squad is full of holes ) whilst the head coach tries to shuffle this lop sided , weak , unfit and leaky squad .
Certain players can’t play more than a half , certain players play just to cover the weakness elsewhere (Smyth played ultimately to help Mbengue …almost sacrificing his game …it’s mad).
On the other side Dembele gives a Morgan no cover and at times Morgan gave Morgan no cover 😄 , giving Morrison to wide an area to cover . And I could go on .
Cook looks as stiff as board and either frightened of his injury or it’s affecting him. Everything he does is at its most basic .
Mbengue was good last week . Put Vale in there at left back . He has played there before .
I bang on relentlessly (I’m sorry ) about the pattern of play (ok Methodology 🤮) , but it has such serious flaws.
Another is our wide men being so wide that it leaves huge chasms of space that 2 in midfield , especially Madsen, can’t cover . We are so open it’s embarrassing and I felt embarrassed yesterday.
Not at the performance particularly, but the way we play , the squad assembled and the square pegs in round holes all over the place .
If I was Burrell this morning , I’d be quietly reflecting and wondering if i’d made the right move .
Played in 3 games (albeit not full games ) and only 1 half chance created alongside Kone being the main striker .
Which leads me once again back to that last question aimed at the panel at the fans forum .
Is there a plan B?
For me that. Caught them out and there was no real answer .
Will Burrell get to play alongside Kone?
We cannot just be so rigid in our ‘plan A’. I don’t want to hark back to Marti , because he has gone , only because he was the last coach , but he tried this and it didn’t work , so he done his thing and clearly the CEO didn’t like it .
Why rest Adamson in midweek if not to play him , even for a bit on the Saturday .
Because it was a tick box excercise in midweek. A cup match thrown away to use statistics down the road .
There’s no other explanation.
And if the head coach feels he isn’t ready then once again the recruitment hasn’t been good enough and around and around we go..
I fear history repeating itself here .
I hope I’m wrong . I desperately hope I’m wrong . |
Agree with most of that. I think it’s all reasonably easily fixed though.
Dunne comes in at right back. Big difference as a player and leader for this group. This means we don’t need to move others out of position. Why not Adamson? No idea. My guess is that they thought Dunne might be out long term but then got good news and didn’t want to change Morgan who had done ok? Anyway, we move on.
Having Dunne in allows Morgan to move into middle or as cover for the middle.
Left back - I think we will get someone in here but I wouldn’t be averse to giving Esquerdinha a go. Which is why I found it odd he didn’t start. Would suggest they don’t think he’s ready as went for experience over youth. Would also add weight to us getting a left back in.
We do above, we can then move Mbengue into middle to provide some pace.
Pretty certain we won’t see Madsen as 1 of midfield 2 again. Varane is back and also rumours of Hayden. Hayden would be excellent. We must play a Hayden or Varane in front of the back 4. Then build team around that. | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:34 - Aug 17 with 1052 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:21 - Aug 17 by nix |
No you're not exactly saying it seems to me you're doing that plague of SM everywhere thing that I think came from the tabloid media (the Brexit campaign and anti-vaxxers absolutely loved it) where you present a possible scenario 'if this is what is happening, then...'. It's useful because if you get called out on it you just say well I didn't actually say it was the case I was just speculating. But then you get to slag off whatever is the real target of your irritation without any evidence it's true.
Also people read these things often enough they believe them, they don't notice your buried away disclaimers. People start sayings like Nourry is definitely picking the team. Then it becomes an accepted fact. Like Marti was forced out of the club when he's been applying for jobs for a long time, I heard as early as last summer.
Now we all speculate of course and that's normal and fine but when it starts to invade so many posts in the way I've described it doesn't seem to me to be done in the spirit of genuine enquiry. |
So I am not allowed to enquire without having some sort of agenda?
I'm just a fan, have absolutely no inside knowledge whatsoever. I am entitled to have a brain of my own and I never believed that Marti was forced to pick a certain team. I also find it hard to believe what some have claimed that Stephan isn't having a free rein on the side either. However, employing my brain cell on the team selections for Tuesday and Saturday it does seem fair to raise doubts. Is that allowed? That or Stephan has the same managerial aptitude as Ainsworth.
What I am saying is that I am fed up of QPR's losing mentality all round. I am fed up of us morphing into a club where we are meant to get excited about selling players at a profit. I am fed up of us throwing away cup ties, of being a soft touch on the road. And at home, come to that. Of team selections that make no sense even to a tactical dunce like me.
I wasn't there yesterday, but some are saying the discontent is arriving. Well, if we get stuffed at Coventry and Kelman bares his arse at the loft having scored the winner for Charlton, that would mean the fans are going to get seriously irritated. I will be. But at who? That's my point. Maybe I will just have a go at all of them, the owners, Nourry, Stephan, Jude the Cat. Because I don't really know what is going on.
I don't understand this game model and performance managers and stuff. Seems to me if it goes well people say that was down to me and if it doesn't it was down to someone else. [Post edited 17 Aug 10:36]
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| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:42 - Aug 17 with 988 views | mart_Goblin |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:21 - Aug 17 by nix |
No you're not exactly saying it seems to me you're doing that plague of SM everywhere thing that I think came from the tabloid media (the Brexit campaign and anti-vaxxers absolutely loved it) where you present a possible scenario 'if this is what is happening, then...'. It's useful because if you get called out on it you just say well I didn't actually say it was the case I was just speculating. But then you get to slag off whatever is the real target of your irritation without any evidence it's true.
Also people read these things often enough they believe them, they don't notice your buried away disclaimers. People start sayings like Nourry is definitely picking the team. Then it becomes an accepted fact. Like Marti was forced out of the club when he's been applying for jobs for a long time, I heard as early as last summer.
Now we all speculate of course and that's normal and fine but when it starts to invade so many posts in the way I've described it doesn't seem to me to be done in the spirit of genuine enquiry. |
All very well but do you think a coach as experienced as Stephen is , with all his experience, would try to win the game on Tuesday by putting on 2 16 year olds ? Not Rooney and Owen in their teenage pomp , but 2 kids who hadn’t even trained with the first team until Monday . And a 17 year old added to the DS squad and Nardi ….to try to win a cup tie?
So it’s not GB suggesting it .
It’s front in front of everyone if you want to see it | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:43 - Aug 17 with 977 views | themodfather |
watford is a nightmare ground for us, no need to fall apart over this one. yet.
is madsen worth reported 4m we paid?
who is our number one?
should we continue this goal kicking from inside the box, side to side or clear the lines?
when will frey be fit, if ever?
is celar done with? | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:47 - Aug 17 with 944 views | mart_Goblin |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:32 - Aug 17 by JamesB1979 |
Agree with most of that. I think it’s all reasonably easily fixed though.
Dunne comes in at right back. Big difference as a player and leader for this group. This means we don’t need to move others out of position. Why not Adamson? No idea. My guess is that they thought Dunne might be out long term but then got good news and didn’t want to change Morgan who had done ok? Anyway, we move on.
Having Dunne in allows Morgan to move into middle or as cover for the middle.
Left back - I think we will get someone in here but I wouldn’t be averse to giving Esquerdinha a go. Which is why I found it odd he didn’t start. Would suggest they don’t think he’s ready as went for experience over youth. Would also add weight to us getting a left back in.
We do above, we can then move Mbengue into middle to provide some pace.
Pretty certain we won’t see Madsen as 1 of midfield 2 again. Varane is back and also rumours of Hayden. Hayden would be excellent. We must play a Hayden or Varane in front of the back 4. Then build team around that. |
Yes . Perhaps reserving my judgement until September 1st would be best admittedly , but we shouldn’t be in a position that 1 injury to 1 player ( Jimmy) causes so much upheaval .
That’s a squad not assembled properly.
But again , accept it might look different in a couple of weeks.
In the mean time though , we are dropping points ..again. | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:47 - Aug 17 with 932 views | JamesB1979 |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:42 - Aug 17 by mart_Goblin |
All very well but do you think a coach as experienced as Stephen is , with all his experience, would try to win the game on Tuesday by putting on 2 16 year olds ? Not Rooney and Owen in their teenage pomp , but 2 kids who hadn’t even trained with the first team until Monday . And a 17 year old added to the DS squad and Nardi ….to try to win a cup tie?
So it’s not GB suggesting it .
It’s front in front of everyone if you want to see it |
Fair enough. I can’t really give evidence that Nourry is or isn’t picking the 1st team. You think Nourry is, I think Stephan is. But we can still debate merits of team selection yesterday. I think Nourry/Stephan will probably not pick Madsen in 2 again as an example. | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:50 - Aug 17 with 886 views | mart_Goblin |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:47 - Aug 17 by JamesB1979 |
Fair enough. I can’t really give evidence that Nourry is or isn’t picking the 1st team. You think Nourry is, I think Stephan is. But we can still debate merits of team selection yesterday. I think Nourry/Stephan will probably not pick Madsen in 2 again as an example. |
Whether Nourry is picking the entire team is probably unlikely .
Whether he is dictating certain things is much more likely .
And he is absolutely no experience to do so | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:51 - Aug 17 with 881 views | JamesB1979 |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:47 - Aug 17 by mart_Goblin |
Yes . Perhaps reserving my judgement until September 1st would be best admittedly , but we shouldn’t be in a position that 1 injury to 1 player ( Jimmy) causes so much upheaval .
That’s a squad not assembled properly.
But again , accept it might look different in a couple of weeks.
In the mean time though , we are dropping points ..again. |
Well rightly or wrongly, the choice of starting full backs was Dunne and Larkeche. With Adamson and Esquerdinha as cover. We lost both 1st choice, 1 for the season and all relatively recently. I think it does take some time to get cover in and also when 1 injury was/is uncertain. What I don’t understand is why the 2 youth players didn’t start yesterday, as they were the “cover” options. | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:54 - Aug 17 with 842 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:21 - Aug 17 by nix |
No you're not exactly saying it seems to me you're doing that plague of SM everywhere thing that I think came from the tabloid media (the Brexit campaign and anti-vaxxers absolutely loved it) where you present a possible scenario 'if this is what is happening, then...'. It's useful because if you get called out on it you just say well I didn't actually say it was the case I was just speculating. But then you get to slag off whatever is the real target of your irritation without any evidence it's true.
Also people read these things often enough they believe them, they don't notice your buried away disclaimers. People start sayings like Nourry is definitely picking the team. Then it becomes an accepted fact. Like Marti was forced out of the club when he's been applying for jobs for a long time, I heard as early as last summer.
Now we all speculate of course and that's normal and fine but when it starts to invade so many posts in the way I've described it doesn't seem to me to be done in the spirit of genuine enquiry. |
Not sure what Brexit or anti-vaxxers has got do with us not winning football matches. “Like Marti was forced out of the club when he's been applying for jobs for a long time, I heard as early as last summer“. Who told you this? |  |
| Scooters, Tunes, Trainers and QPR. |
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| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:55 - Aug 17 with 835 views | JamesB1979 |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:50 - Aug 17 by mart_Goblin |
Whether Nourry is picking the entire team is probably unlikely .
Whether he is dictating certain things is much more likely .
And he is absolutely no experience to do so |
Dictating what? Playing youth? Both youth full backs were on the bench. As said earlier, for me, what happens on match-day, selection and set-up is down to the coach. | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:58 - Aug 17 with 807 views | Third_Division_South |
In the first half That was as aggy as I’ve I’ve heard our fans for a long time with loud booing towards the end of the first half. Morgans goal saving the team from a horrible send off at halftime. My other main takeaway from yesterday was how much bigger and stronger their players looked than ours, also when they received the ball they mostly tried to spin and run or progress the ball forward, whereas our players first option always seems to be to pass the ball backwards or sideways, ending up going nowhere with no momentum. | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 11:12 - Aug 17 with 719 views | mart_Goblin |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:51 - Aug 17 by JamesB1979 |
Well rightly or wrongly, the choice of starting full backs was Dunne and Larkeche. With Adamson and Esquerdinha as cover. We lost both 1st choice, 1 for the season and all relatively recently. I think it does take some time to get cover in and also when 1 injury was/is uncertain. What I don’t understand is why the 2 youth players didn’t start yesterday, as they were the “cover” options. |
Ok I think that’s fair comment | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 11:15 - Aug 17 with 692 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 09:44 - Aug 17 by JamesB1979 |
Come on. He’s not picking the team for Stephan. That’s ridiculous. And to use your example of Steve Gallen or Warburton, it would also be ridiculous them doing it. Call Nourry out for recruitment, communication, Williams role but not who turns out in the team against Watford. Got to look through the hatred for the guy. All last season it was Nourry is making Marti play 4231, Marti is still paying 4231. |
Let's say he isn't picking the team. What assurances have that he hasn't insisted that his two biggest signings, Celar & Madsen, must play when fit? It's been two seasons now and no-one has been able to get a tune out of either of them which, coupled with the fact that neither ever seem to put much effort in, should be a huge red flag and most supporters have identified this as a major issue. |  |
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| Just back - Watford reflections on 11:18 - Aug 17 with 673 views | mart_Goblin |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 10:55 - Aug 17 by JamesB1979 |
Dictating what? Playing youth? Both youth full backs were on the bench. As said earlier, for me, what happens on match-day, selection and set-up is down to the coach. |
Ok . I give up | | | |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 11:21 - Aug 17 with 640 views | JamesB1979 |
| Just back - Watford reflections on 11:15 - Aug 17 by Esox_Lucius |
Let's say he isn't picking the team. What assurances have that he hasn't insisted that his two biggest signings, Celar & Madsen, must play when fit? It's been two seasons now and no-one has been able to get a tune out of either of them which, coupled with the fact that neither ever seem to put much effort in, should be a huge red flag and most supporters have identified this as a major issue. |
Celar didn’t start and only came on because Demebele can’t last 90 minutes. I also think it was “let’s go for it”, so stuck 2 up front. Celar only started last weekend because we had no other options.
On Madsen - I don’t know. Maybe. I was worried about him being 1 of the 2 pre-season as that what Stephan seemed to be playing / hinting at. But…I’m willing to give benefit of doubt that with Varane out and Morgan as make shift defender, his hands were tied. Let’s see how this one develops I guess. I’m sure we both hope im right anyway! | | | |
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