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Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? 20:38 - Aug 17 with 1323 viewsbosh67

It does feel like every manager/coach coming through the door struggles more than 45 minutes of what they want the players to do. Stephan is no different to the previous 3,4,5 coaches through the door here. It feels like a combination of historical mentality and fitness issues.

Stephan speaks briefly about it here and I must say I have a great deal more respect for him after this interview. He's f*cking angry and it's good to see because it appears that he's identified this historical issue. God knows how he sorts it out but I think given a squad not fully hit by injuries he may find a solution.



One is that he now has a number of attacking options. I think he really needs to play two up top, especially at Loftus Road because we now have players with power and pace to play a high press against anyone. The other thing is perhaps we do have to look at a strategy that plays with 100% intensity by asking the 10 outfield that start to put absolutely everything into 65-70 minutes with the idea that they are then replaced with players who commit the same intensity to the last 30-35 minutes. Especially if some of these players have a tendency to cramp up.

I do feel like I have been watching a team for seasons now that can't string two halves together and it is a really evident issue that lies deeper than the coaches coming in and out of the door.

On the plus side, Kieran Morgan is the latest in post match interviews to say that they really want to get what the gaffer is asking them to do right for more than a half! So the players obviously have a lot of time for this guy.

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Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 21:42 - Aug 17 with 1235 viewscolinallcars

I quite agree and it seems to be a recent phenomenum. As a supporter nearing my sell-by date, I'm often perplexed by the game these days. How about that thing yesterday where, from kickoff, we boot the ball up towards their corner flag. That's really going to baffle them eh ?
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Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 22:07 - Aug 17 with 1173 viewsMatch82

It feels particularly pronounced this time but I think a lot of it is just the flow of the game. Nobody in the championship is really massively better or worse than the other teams. If you start well, you're more likely to score. If you're winning you're more likely to sit back, and if you sit back, you're letting the opposition control the game.

Against Preston we looked good in the first half when it was tied, then we scored and came up defensive in the second half and looked awful. Against Watford we looked terrible until they scored and sat back, then we grew into the game.

The very best teams are able to stay on top even when they have the advantage. It's something we need to be better at.
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Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 22:12 - Aug 17 with 1144 viewsBeauRanger

Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 21:42 - Aug 17 by colinallcars

I quite agree and it seems to be a recent phenomenum. As a supporter nearing my sell-by date, I'm often perplexed by the game these days. How about that thing yesterday where, from kickoff, we boot the ball up towards their corner flag. That's really going to baffle them eh ?


Good point..

Don’t think I have seen a football team deliberately knock the ball straight out of play from the kick off before…a few rugby teams but not football??
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Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 22:36 - Aug 17 with 1075 viewsBrianMcCarthy

Bosh,

Thanks for posting that video.

He's very open, and he makes sense to me when he chats.
Early days yet.

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Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 23:09 - Aug 17 with 1010 viewsKensalT

Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 22:12 - Aug 17 by BeauRanger

Good point..

Don’t think I have seen a football team deliberately knock the ball straight out of play from the kick off before…a few rugby teams but not football??


It has been done a few times in France:

https://tribuna.com/en/blogs/why-psg-players-kick-the-ball-out-at-the-start-of-h

Apparently Graham Taylor tried it once in a European Championship qualifier against Poland but we managed to balls it up.

Andy Gray (the one that used to play for us) was supposed to kick it straight out near the corner flag but miskicked it and it bobbled straight down the middle into the hands of the Polish keeper.

Taylor was livid. Gray was hooked at half time and never played for England again.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-gray-s-days-of-poland-widgets-and-j

The logic behind it is that no team likes taking throw ins near their own corner flag. It means they are in a defensive position and that the player taking the throw is off the pitch and therefore out of position.

By playing for this early in a half the hope is that the defensive team hasn't got into it's rhythm yet and might not be properly focused. This in turn means there's the chance of a turnover and possibly a goalscoring opportunity.

Not sure I buy it myself.
[Post edited 17 Aug 23:38]
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Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 13:40 - Aug 18 with 761 viewsterryb

Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 22:12 - Aug 17 by BeauRanger

Good point..

Don’t think I have seen a football team deliberately knock the ball straight out of play from the kick off before…a few rugby teams but not football??


Newcastle did it at Villa on Saturday, beating us by 2 1/2 hours!
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Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 13:55 - Aug 18 with 721 viewsMonkey_Roots

If only we could stitch the first half of Preston onto the second half of Watford...
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Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 14:00 - Aug 18 with 699 viewsRsole

Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 13:55 - Aug 18 by Monkey_Roots

If only we could stitch the first half of Preston onto the second half of Watford...


Dr Fixturestein, I presume.

Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?

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Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 14:16 - Aug 18 with 634 viewsLongsufferingR

I liked the 1st half kickoff v Preston where we surged forward as a forward line immediately and panicked them. That causes proper pressure, not having them take a throw in.
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Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 16:05 - Aug 18 with 532 viewsBeauRanger

Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 23:09 - Aug 17 by KensalT

It has been done a few times in France:

https://tribuna.com/en/blogs/why-psg-players-kick-the-ball-out-at-the-start-of-h

Apparently Graham Taylor tried it once in a European Championship qualifier against Poland but we managed to balls it up.

Andy Gray (the one that used to play for us) was supposed to kick it straight out near the corner flag but miskicked it and it bobbled straight down the middle into the hands of the Polish keeper.

Taylor was livid. Gray was hooked at half time and never played for England again.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football-gray-s-days-of-poland-widgets-and-j

The logic behind it is that no team likes taking throw ins near their own corner flag. It means they are in a defensive position and that the player taking the throw is off the pitch and therefore out of position.

By playing for this early in a half the hope is that the defensive team hasn't got into it's rhythm yet and might not be properly focused. This in turn means there's the chance of a turnover and possibly a goalscoring opportunity.

Not sure I buy it myself.
[Post edited 17 Aug 23:38]


Thanks 🙏 for the clarification 😁
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Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 16:19 - Aug 18 with 488 viewsdaveB

This approach to deliberately go into a season under cooked and build fitness throughout the season makes no sense to me at all, you are basically writing off the first 2/3 months of the season every year doing this and even then you can still get a ton of injuries as we did last year and get no benefit. The whole point of pre season is to have a month off then slowly build fitness on your own before stepping up with the club for a month playing games and being ready to go for the first game not the 15th one.

There really is no excuse these days to go into a season unable to play a 90 minute game of football and being dead on your feet after an hour. Players with a bit of a gut 20 years ago looked fresher after an hour than our current lot

It's another case of people trying to change things that didn't need to be changed and us being worse off for it.
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Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 16:32 - Aug 18 with 449 viewsLazyFan

Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 16:19 - Aug 18 by daveB

This approach to deliberately go into a season under cooked and build fitness throughout the season makes no sense to me at all, you are basically writing off the first 2/3 months of the season every year doing this and even then you can still get a ton of injuries as we did last year and get no benefit. The whole point of pre season is to have a month off then slowly build fitness on your own before stepping up with the club for a month playing games and being ready to go for the first game not the 15th one.

There really is no excuse these days to go into a season unable to play a 90 minute game of football and being dead on your feet after an hour. Players with a bit of a gut 20 years ago looked fresher after an hour than our current lot

It's another case of people trying to change things that didn't need to be changed and us being worse off for it.


I agree.
What the point of pre-season if you not ready?

Might as well had it off and not get injuries like Dunne and Varane if your gonna still be only good for 45 mins at the start of the season.

This build it up is garbage talk. Your ready for 95 mins of football in the Champ or you are not.

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Solving the 'we only ever play 45 minutes' problem? on 17:08 - Aug 18 with 371 viewsDavieQPR

Other than the fact refs let throw ins near the flag to be taken about 10yds from where it went out.
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