| Cullen 18:49 - Aug 23 with 3317 views | union_jack |
Do you think we can all lay off Cullen for now. I hope he doesn’t read the forum because it will knock every bit of confidence out of him. I’m sure he doesn’t but all the same.
He’s not lazy in fact works hard, he’s not without ability as we’ve seen in many occasions and he doesn’t lack passion.
But he’s being played in the wrong position and he’s not had many rivals although there is a feeling now that Wales needs more grass time. And Vip of course.
We all know we need better but that’s down to others not him and I think / hope the situation will be resolved in the next 10 days or so.
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| Cullen on 23:11 - Aug 23 with 1565 views | KeithHaynes |
| Cullen on 20:12 - Aug 23 by vetchonian |
Its not Cullens fault....he is only doing what he is being asked to do.
Its the manager who keeps picking him there playing him out of position who should be gettimg the flack |
Hope he wasn’t asked to hit the post from two yards today 😉 |  |
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| Cullen on 07:20 - Aug 24 with 1421 views | Whiterockin |
| Cullen on 23:11 - Aug 23 by KeithHaynes |
Hope he wasn’t asked to hit the post from two yards today 😉 |
I did notice that after they scored and before the restart he went straight to the bench to get fresh instructions without being called over. |  | | |
| Cullen on 08:26 - Aug 24 with 1331 views | Dr_Winston |
When Martin, Duff and Williams were making mistakes I don't recall many people asking supporters to pipe down because they knew more than we did. People can see what works and what doesn't. As well as Sheehan as done, he's not infallible.
Cullen has looked out of place as a central striker whenever he's been played there. He looked out of place 4/5 years ago when he had Piroe supporting him and he looks out of place now. If Sheehan keeps picking him there despite that then that's on Sheehan.
If Vipotnik had actually looked as bad there as consistently as Cullen does then maybe I'd be one of those queuing up to slag him off. |  |
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| Cullen on 08:42 - Aug 24 with 1300 views | lifelong |
I want Cullen to succeed as much as anyone else but his performance yesterday was very poor, some of the offside decisions against him were very frustrating to watch. |  | | |
| Cullen on 08:45 - Aug 24 with 1293 views | jack247 |
This shouldn’t really come down to which one of them plays up front. Most can see that Cullen isn’t a centre forward and Vipotnik isn’t a very good one.
We’ve spent the summer chasing next level strikers, whilst not addressing the issue of not having a decent one at the club. It was always going to be a high risk strategy and this isn’t hindsight, I’ve been saying it since half way through pre season.
With a solid striker, we quite could conceivably be sitting near the top of the table by now. That was quite achievable and should have been a priority IMO as we are going to need one whether we get a game changer in or not.
I do think it will be sorted in the next week and Sheehan won’t have to choose between an undersized #10 and a generally anonymous striker who turns up every seven or eight games. |  | | |
| Cullen on 09:00 - Aug 24 with 1251 views | pencoedjack |
| Cullen on 08:45 - Aug 24 by jack247 |
This shouldn’t really come down to which one of them plays up front. Most can see that Cullen isn’t a centre forward and Vipotnik isn’t a very good one.
We’ve spent the summer chasing next level strikers, whilst not addressing the issue of not having a decent one at the club. It was always going to be a high risk strategy and this isn’t hindsight, I’ve been saying it since half way through pre season.
With a solid striker, we quite could conceivably be sitting near the top of the table by now. That was quite achievable and should have been a priority IMO as we are going to need one whether we get a game changer in or not.
I do think it will be sorted in the next week and Sheehan won’t have to choose between an undersized #10 and a generally anonymous striker who turns up every seven or eight games. |
Problem is 20 goal championship strikers are not easy to find on our budget.
Cullen is awful playing up top & as others have said if wasn’t a local boy he’d be getting far more stick than he currently gets. |  | | |
| Cullen on 09:27 - Aug 24 with 1226 views | jack247 |
| Cullen on 09:00 - Aug 24 by pencoedjack |
Problem is 20 goal championship strikers are not easy to find on our budget.
Cullen is awful playing up top & as others have said if wasn’t a local boy he’d be getting far more stick than he currently gets. |
This is my point really. We’ve spent all summer chasing a unicorn when a Carlton Morris would have done.
Neither of them are up to it. Cullen’s best position is further back and even then, there are players ahead him.
Vipotnik just isn’t up to it. If we’re judging him on yesterday, maybe. If we’re judging him on the 12 months he’s been here, he’s nowhere near. | | | |
| Cullen on 09:38 - Aug 24 with 1208 views | RichardO |
Cullen did today at times was what a lot of us asked him to do his initial hold up play worked and we got a lot of good quick possession on the flanks, which we should have made more of, Watford then didn't just get to grips with Cullen they controlled the ball and used their strength up front to keep our centrehalves busy allowing their midfield to hunt around them while the tall midfielder sat back to pick up the pieces in the midfield to tidy up and to keep their ball going forward. There could be a question to asked about why we started chasing the ball instesd of locking our defensive game down to wrestle control of the game back.
Eom end moving infield to allow Malcouye to go out wide but that didn't win us control in the middle of the park, we seemed so intent on using the flanks to go forward we didn't stop them having time on the ball, did the midfield on mass drop too deep allowing them time to drive forward,So if Cullen did get the ball to feet there was no one to play off him or go beyond him and if the players on the flanks gain territory we could not get numbers forward quick enough. Cullen was now getting bullied bý the centre backs similar to how our defenders were bullied by there forwards
Last season Sheehan knew that Derby had turned their season around by putting big strong players in the middle of the park to win forward momentum ugly but effective against smaller teams, Sheehan picked his starting eleven accordingly including Fulton in the middle, the effect of bringing on Stamenic, Inoussa, Widell and Vipotnik won us better possession, that we were able to convert into forward momentum.
Did Cullen get in front of defender, as we have asked, to where he was unlucky to just hit the post, Vipotnik got the goal great but should Vipotnik have buried his other chance on his left foot, he had the good movement to get into the right position make a good contact but didn't when he should have,
I think the strong Inoussa, the quick agile Widell alongside Wales may cause more problems for defenders than the likes of Cullen and Vipotnik, it is a team game and different solution need to be applied to each game while adapting ithem to suit before and during each game and Sheehan changed things and they worked up to a point.
Plymouth game a chance to mix things up a little but caution needed to rehabilitate players with injury issues. | | | |
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| Cullen on 09:39 - Aug 24 with 1204 views | onehunglow |
If I were Zliam and reading this thread then I’d feel rather embarrassed
Clearly , he must know he’s not playing well and hasn’t for ages yet he sees fans clearly feeling sympathy for him
It’s all about the club
Right now, he’s not of sufficient quality
He gets paid for this
As for Bellamy and Wales , just who gives one as it’s how he plays for us that matters
Or is it ?
Bellamy hasn’t taught him much about staying onside or about special awareness or improved his heading ability | |
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| Cullen on 19:51 - Aug 24 with 1026 views | sons_of_omri |
| Cullen on 09:38 - Aug 24 by RichardO |
Cullen did today at times was what a lot of us asked him to do his initial hold up play worked and we got a lot of good quick possession on the flanks, which we should have made more of, Watford then didn't just get to grips with Cullen they controlled the ball and used their strength up front to keep our centrehalves busy allowing their midfield to hunt around them while the tall midfielder sat back to pick up the pieces in the midfield to tidy up and to keep their ball going forward. There could be a question to asked about why we started chasing the ball instesd of locking our defensive game down to wrestle control of the game back.
Eom end moving infield to allow Malcouye to go out wide but that didn't win us control in the middle of the park, we seemed so intent on using the flanks to go forward we didn't stop them having time on the ball, did the midfield on mass drop too deep allowing them time to drive forward,So if Cullen did get the ball to feet there was no one to play off him or go beyond him and if the players on the flanks gain territory we could not get numbers forward quick enough. Cullen was now getting bullied bý the centre backs similar to how our defenders were bullied by there forwards
Last season Sheehan knew that Derby had turned their season around by putting big strong players in the middle of the park to win forward momentum ugly but effective against smaller teams, Sheehan picked his starting eleven accordingly including Fulton in the middle, the effect of bringing on Stamenic, Inoussa, Widell and Vipotnik won us better possession, that we were able to convert into forward momentum.
Did Cullen get in front of defender, as we have asked, to where he was unlucky to just hit the post, Vipotnik got the goal great but should Vipotnik have buried his other chance on his left foot, he had the good movement to get into the right position make a good contact but didn't when he should have,
I think the strong Inoussa, the quick agile Widell alongside Wales may cause more problems for defenders than the likes of Cullen and Vipotnik, it is a team game and different solution need to be applied to each game while adapting ithem to suit before and during each game and Sheehan changed things and they worked up to a point.
Plymouth game a chance to mix things up a little but caution needed to rehabilitate players with injury issues. |
Unfair on Vipotnik for the second chance as the goalkeeper’s parry took the ball away from him. Sheehan need’s Vipotnik to lead the line until new players come in because Cullen hasn’t got the physical strength. It’s simply not his game. | | | |
| Cullen on 20:53 - Aug 24 with 976 views | RichardO |
| Cullen on 19:51 - Aug 24 by sons_of_omri |
Unfair on Vipotnik for the second chance as the goalkeeper’s parry took the ball away from him. Sheehan need’s Vipotnik to lead the line until new players come in because Cullen hasn’t got the physical strength. It’s simply not his game. |
I wasn't on about "that" second chance as it wasn't a chance there was another chance the result of good playmovement by Vipotnik the ball on his left foot, waiting for a clean strike on goal, he didn't connect. | | | |
| Cullen on 23:41 - Aug 24 with 888 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cullen on 09:27 - Aug 24 by jack247 |
This is my point really. We’ve spent all summer chasing a unicorn when a Carlton Morris would have done.
Neither of them are up to it. Cullen’s best position is further back and even then, there are players ahead him.
Vipotnik just isn’t up to it. If we’re judging him on yesterday, maybe. If we’re judging him on the 12 months he’s been here, he’s nowhere near. |
Vipotnik was not signed as a finished product. He is in his early 20 and Swansea has not produced a Welsh player like this for over 25 years. They are very hard to find. Cullen is improving but will never get to be number 9.
He has always been a no 9 in all age groups and has not developed his skills in order to be an automatic pick. I believe he would score a lot of goals in League 2 and probably league 1, He is at the club as a back up option on low wages.
It makes sense to develop Vipotik. The club cannot have a musical chairs of £2m strikers. I believe in coaching to get the best out of the player. He can head the ball in the 6 yard box is stronger on the ball than Cullen and has a fearsome shot. Swnsea now have the midfield players to put him in space on his prefered peg.
Carlton Morris was a lower league battler with worse stats than Vipotnik and then he clicked, in his late twenties, [Post edited 24 Aug 23:42]
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| Cullen on 06:48 - Aug 25 with 820 views | jack247 |
| Cullen on 23:41 - Aug 24 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Vipotnik was not signed as a finished product. He is in his early 20 and Swansea has not produced a Welsh player like this for over 25 years. They are very hard to find. Cullen is improving but will never get to be number 9.
He has always been a no 9 in all age groups and has not developed his skills in order to be an automatic pick. I believe he would score a lot of goals in League 2 and probably league 1, He is at the club as a back up option on low wages.
It makes sense to develop Vipotik. The club cannot have a musical chairs of £2m strikers. I believe in coaching to get the best out of the player. He can head the ball in the 6 yard box is stronger on the ball than Cullen and has a fearsome shot. Swnsea now have the midfield players to put him in space on his prefered peg.
Carlton Morris was a lower league battler with worse stats than Vipotnik and then he clicked, in his late twenties, [Post edited 24 Aug 23:42]
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There’s nothing wrong with signing players who aren’t the finished product, it’s only a problem when you try to use them as your main centre forward when they’ve got glaring holes in their game.
I said on another thread recently, that he hasn’t had a proper centre forward at the club with him and if we signed one and kept him, Vipotnik could well improve by training with a ‘finished article’ striker day in day out.
Carlton Morris was just an example of a nuts and bolts striker who would have been within our grasp and could have substantially improved our starting line up. There were and I’m sure still are, plenty available. It’s great bringing in players for the future, but the here and now has to be a priority. | | | |
| Cullen on 15:25 - Aug 25 with 631 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Cullen on 06:48 - Aug 25 by jack247 |
There’s nothing wrong with signing players who aren’t the finished product, it’s only a problem when you try to use them as your main centre forward when they’ve got glaring holes in their game.
I said on another thread recently, that he hasn’t had a proper centre forward at the club with him and if we signed one and kept him, Vipotnik could well improve by training with a ‘finished article’ striker day in day out.
Carlton Morris was just an example of a nuts and bolts striker who would have been within our grasp and could have substantially improved our starting line up. There were and I’m sure still are, plenty available. It’s great bringing in players for the future, but the here and now has to be a priority. |
Swansea have a strategy of buying unpolished diamonds and developing them. Morris was Vipotnik until he was 27.
A lower league striker struggling. Swansea signed three strikers and ditched two of them at a loss.. One guy did not fit the system.
There must be room for player development of a guy with some edges needing refinement. He has potential.
Gyorkeres impressed no one and when shown love and game time blossomed. | |
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| Cullen on 15:56 - Aug 25 with 605 views | jack247 |
| Cullen on 15:25 - Aug 25 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Swansea have a strategy of buying unpolished diamonds and developing them. Morris was Vipotnik until he was 27.
A lower league striker struggling. Swansea signed three strikers and ditched two of them at a loss.. One guy did not fit the system.
There must be room for player development of a guy with some edges needing refinement. He has potential.
Gyorkeres impressed no one and when shown love and game time blossomed. |
Yes, that’s fine, but you can’t do it while they are the main striker at the club. | | | |
| Cullen on 16:05 - Aug 25 with 578 views | Whiterockin |
| Cullen on 15:56 - Aug 25 by jack247 |
Yes, that’s fine, but you can’t do it while they are the main striker at the club. |
We will be doing it with Wales. He is not number one and has time to develop. | | | |
| Cullen on 23:08 - Aug 25 with 385 views | RichardO |
Think there is a lot more options with the players in the midfield if you can call them such, Stamenic we have only seen a glimpse, Widell and Yalcouye similarly, Galbraith and Inoussa both look nailed on starters even in the short time we have seen them. Would like to see Sam Parker start on Tuesday he did well against Crawley against a player who they seemed to use as their preferred option, would be nice to see how he deals with the league step up in opposition.
With all the movement that now seems to be around the centre forward and providing we keep the quick ball moving in mostly forward in the midfield both through the middle and the flanks now is the time for the likes of Vipotnik and Wales step up and prove a point or in Vipotnik's prove many of us wrong. [Post edited 25 Aug 23:23]
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