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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 00:04 - Aug 24 by Hooping_Mad
Sorry wasn't having a pop at you Brian.
Games Smarts and Guile are sorely lacking though, Colback types who know how to grind a result out. Maybe JCS, Frey, Smyth enough to have a effect on a game.
Cook won't be first choice for much longer, Field and Chair don't seem as effective against physical sides. What we are lacking is any real upper championship experience. Loans are going to have to save us.....again.
"Sorry wasn't having a pop at you Brian."
Sound. Didn't think you were.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 21:59 - Aug 23 by BrianMcCarthy
I thought the interview was perfectly fine, to be honest.
He started off with an apology, he promised better, he didn't hang his players out to dry, and he didn't hang his bosses out to dry.
With which I agree with you on Brian, The big question is though, how exactly does he hope to achieve that? It's a big statement to make - especially as like many other people of this parish, i don't think he is actually picking the team. So to follow through with his statement of intent - playing completely differently, ensuring this won't happen again etc- it's a bold assertion. Maybe he's decided he will play the team that he wants, in a manner in which he's confident with..... but will be allowed to, without challenging the project master? Hopefully he's felt enough shame to insist he would rather fall on his own sword rather than someone else's... but that would surely compromise his status within the project collective, and we've seen where that got Cifuentes...
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 00:46 - Aug 24 with 1353 views
I would like to see Julien try something new against Sharletonne. Specifically play Ben Williams in the centre of midfield and invite the opposition to kick the fcuk out of him.
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 01:00 - Aug 24 with 1307 views
Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 23:04 - Aug 23 by Hooping_Mad
Not wanting to just repeat Clive but "Bibs, balls and cones" not a manager. First team coach, and quite probably CM's yes man.
Fitness, the fans were asked to help fund the new training centre and all we've had ever since is constant muscle injuries. We did and do our bit every week, isn't it about time the club got the basics sorted? are we within our right to ask why does it keep going wrong?
I recall a recent 4 yr 'project' where Gianni Pallidini was part of actually deleivering on a stated aim, and oh how we laughed at the pompous fat chancer. That was a guy who was in tears at news we got promoted and no points deduction.
Shall we compare the quality of Palidini's signings and his squads 'Fitness' over the Nourry bots tenure.
The question I ask is this, if Palidini was a joke then what is Nourry?
The DOF is responsible for First Team affairs not the head coach, Ben Williams what are his KPI's? what are the consequences for missing them? Does JCS still exsist? Nothing makes sense Brian absolutley nothing !
If you want to talk old school then I agree in as much as we should spend more time in the 'breaking balls' aspect of club management
I agree the owner shouldn't accept it, which is why it falls to the fans to pass on the message as for some reason I very much doubt Christian will be telling Ruben all about his winning rapport with the fan base any time soon.
Lee hoos appears to have left the building in all but spirit so we are in essence a hobby horse for a pubic school bratt.
I've had two of the worst weekends of my life losing my Dad along the way and the club serve up this. It's not much of an escape any more is it?
Sorry for your loss of your dad mate.
Tbf when I last saw my dad, I tried to have what we would have considered a normal chat and I waffled a bit about QPR. He was frightened of leaving this earth and QPR was as about as irrelevant as it always has been.
Totally pointless club that hardly ever achieve anything of note and always seem to attract charlatans to positions of power.
We need new blood at all levels but zero guarantees we will get it right. We rarely ever do, but yes mate, concentrate completely on your dad's memory and hope you have supportive family and friends around.
QPR will continue to fk up forevermore.
They will still be doing it, when we are in our last days.
Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 22:30 - Aug 23 by BrianMcCarthy
"Less interested in his after match statements as I am his team selections currently."
Me too, Hooping_Mad.
The problem I have when I think about Stéphan's selection is that I have no idea who's fit, who's partially fit and who isn't available at all.
And I think - I think - that we may as fans be concentrating too much on the availability/unavailability of certain players, as concerning as that is, rather than the much bigger problem of even the players who are technically available being nowhere near fit.
In old money, there was always three main components of fitness - speed, strength and stamina. There are more components these days, I realise, but let's just look at the old three for now if that's ok.
Speed - we're slow to breaking balls, even early on in games. Strength - we're getting horsed off the ball. Stamina - we're gassed, we're getting cramps.
When we look at it like that...
What chance does Stéphan currently have? What chance to the players have? What chance does our club currently have?
Fitness is one of those things that fits into the category of "be the best you can be at the things where only work is required".
I'm not sure that many other clubs would accept this. I'm not sure that many of our past managers would accept this. I'm not sure that many of our past owners would accept this.
And I don't think that our club, our manager and our owners should accept it.
"The problem I have when I think about Stéphan's selection is that I have no idea who's fit, who's partially fit and who isn't available at all."
Gosh if only there was a way that you could avoid hanging your newly appointed manager out to dry by being even slightly open about player availability. Nope cant think of a single way. #competitiveadvantage
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 02:01 - Aug 24 with 1226 views
It’s been years since I’ve seen players at the start of the season go down with cramp, it’s so unprofessional, maybe it’s ok in April after playing 60 games but 2/3 games into a new season?
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 02:43 - Aug 24 with 1192 views
I mentioned it my post in the Preview thread with regard to Stephan just not being the right fit and I see nothing in this interview to change my mind.
He just doesn't have the "QPR" factor that we so desperately need.
One and only exhibit that I'll leave here, for now is his way of communicating the fact that he can promise that next week against Charlton won't be the same because;
"We will be at home and because we need to show another thing next week"
It's not just the accent and pronunciation, before "les predictables" jump in (Marti had the same issue, albeit to a lesser degree) it's just the demeanour and fortitude that is an issue with Stephan, imo and that tells me it will be extremely hard to turn an already difficult situation around.
I realise Clive is probably shaking his head as it's another go at the puppet, sorry manager, he manager, when th problem is deeper than that but this type and style of manager just adds to the problem and fast forwards the disconnect with the fans.
I'm not saying an Ainsworth or Allardyce as manager is the answer but somebody like Dyche, in principle (years, in the game, respected, calls it how it is, takes no mierde, not a pastie, etc) would be the style of manager that we need and it's another example of CN's incontinence that he didn't realise that employing a yes man to fullfill his dreams would work against him.
I see Dyche is on Celebs go Dating (according to the wife) maybe he can go out with us for a few months, or more realistically someone of his ilk. But then again CN wouldn't employ somebody like that and vice versa somebody like that wouldn't take the job under the remit that CN would put infront of them.
Our so called manager is way out of his depth and needs to go NOW. No experience in English football and it shows. And it is clear he has no idea. Who in their right mind appointed him?! We have money from the Palace sale so use that to send him and his useless coaching team out of the door pronto. If digging a losers hole you don't keep digging... Sort the problem NOW.
Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 02:43 - Aug 24 by FredManRave
I mentioned it my post in the Preview thread with regard to Stephan just not being the right fit and I see nothing in this interview to change my mind.
He just doesn't have the "QPR" factor that we so desperately need.
One and only exhibit that I'll leave here, for now is his way of communicating the fact that he can promise that next week against Charlton won't be the same because;
"We will be at home and because we need to show another thing next week"
It's not just the accent and pronunciation, before "les predictables" jump in (Marti had the same issue, albeit to a lesser degree) it's just the demeanour and fortitude that is an issue with Stephan, imo and that tells me it will be extremely hard to turn an already difficult situation around.
I realise Clive is probably shaking his head as it's another go at the puppet, sorry manager, he manager, when th problem is deeper than that but this type and style of manager just adds to the problem and fast forwards the disconnect with the fans.
I'm not saying an Ainsworth or Allardyce as manager is the answer but somebody like Dyche, in principle (years, in the game, respected, calls it how it is, takes no mierde, not a pastie, etc) would be the style of manager that we need and it's another example of CN's incontinence that he didn't realise that employing a yes man to fullfill his dreams would work against him.
I see Dyche is on Celebs go Dating (according to the wife) maybe he can go out with us for a few months, or more realistically someone of his ilk. But then again CN wouldn't employ somebody like that and vice versa somebody like that wouldn't take the job under the remit that CN would put infront of them.
What a sorry state of affairs!
Agreed. Not heard a single suggestion that he understands why the players are performing so poorly, or any inkling of why we are utterly back-firing at the moment.
For goodness sake man, after 7 goals can you not see that we were bringing danger upon ourselves by playing it out from the keeper, at a snail's pace, with Cov simply able to nick the ball off us time and time again and help themselves to golden chances while 3 of our back four were widespread and 7 of the team were out of the game in front of the ball ?
How about you mention that for starters ?
Don't know about the cones, bibs and flags, sounds to me like this one is into rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 06:29 - Aug 24 with 1036 views
Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 03:20 - Aug 24 by rbrb999
Our so called manager is way out of his depth and needs to go NOW. No experience in English football and it shows. And it is clear he has no idea. Who in their right mind appointed him?! We have money from the Palace sale so use that to send him and his useless coaching team out of the door pronto. If digging a losers hole you don't keep digging... Sort the problem NOW.
I was thinking about the same
Time to try bring some experienced British manager, maybe Wilder. But who wants to come here, i don´t know.
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 06:36 - Aug 24 with 1024 views
Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 00:46 - Aug 24 by DannyPaddox
I would like to see Julien try something new against Sharletonne. Specifically play Ben Williams in the centre of midfield and invite the opposition to kick the fcuk out of him.
Nice idea. Doomed to fail of course, as he'll inevitably be out with an injury sustained in training.
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On the train back he was described to me as the French Gareth Ainsworth. I am sure he’s a nice bloke, but hasn’t got a clue. He promised us after Watford we would never see such a performance again. It was going to be different against Coventry…well it was different…even worse!
I couldn’t even tell you what our game plan is as club is under him. I’m not sure if we are a possession side, a high pressing side, a counter attacking side?? We literally look a bag of nerves. There’s no spine to the side. There’s a real lack of leaders. We look incredibly unfit. I really could go on. We have conceded 13 goals in 4 games under him. If we get another abject performance against Charlton the ground is going to get poisonous which doesn’t help anyone. And it’s all of our own making. There were so many warning sides in the pre-season games with our performances and continued injury situation. And don’t start me on recruitment.
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 07:45 - Aug 24 with 927 views
Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 00:46 - Aug 24 by DannyPaddox
I would like to see Julien try something new against Sharletonne. Specifically play Ben Williams in the centre of midfield and invite the opposition to kick the fcuk out of him.
Kick the fck out of him until they get tired, injured or go down with cramp. Which, unlike our players, they won't.
'What do we want? We don't know! When do we want it? Now!'
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 07:55 - Aug 24 with 883 views
What I am struggling to understand is although yes we are very under cooked and that performance yesterday was shocking. The amount of people on here who seem to think it is ok to mock the manager only 3 games in. OK. We get it. He's French but why already so much hatred and ridicule. We had some pretty awful spells under Marti where the football was dire but I never read him getting so many personal attacks. Ridiculing him purely because of his nationality and what he says. We are all fed up and angry because of the state of the club and this has been going on for many years. He is currently been involved for 3 months of that. To already have like a shrug count is a bit sad really. I mean it's obvious it means he doesn't give a damn and nothing to do with a natural characteristic he has. Maybe time to direct your anger towards the people who deserve it. The owners and the people they have hired over the years in executive positions who have mis managed the club for so long. Reading the stuff on here at the moment it would seem to be Stephans biggest crime for a few, is that he is french
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 08:13 - Aug 24 with 763 views
Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 07:55 - Aug 24 by sdm1508
What I am struggling to understand is although yes we are very under cooked and that performance yesterday was shocking. The amount of people on here who seem to think it is ok to mock the manager only 3 games in. OK. We get it. He's French but why already so much hatred and ridicule. We had some pretty awful spells under Marti where the football was dire but I never read him getting so many personal attacks. Ridiculing him purely because of his nationality and what he says. We are all fed up and angry because of the state of the club and this has been going on for many years. He is currently been involved for 3 months of that. To already have like a shrug count is a bit sad really. I mean it's obvious it means he doesn't give a damn and nothing to do with a natural characteristic he has. Maybe time to direct your anger towards the people who deserve it. The owners and the people they have hired over the years in executive positions who have mis managed the club for so long. Reading the stuff on here at the moment it would seem to be Stephans biggest crime for a few, is that he is french
Ainsworth got the same stick as have many British managers down here so please don’t start that nonsense.
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 08:48 - Aug 24 with 604 views
Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 06:46 - Aug 24 by HammersmithR
On the train back he was described to me as the French Gareth Ainsworth. I am sure he’s a nice bloke, but hasn’t got a clue. He promised us after Watford we would never see such a performance again. It was going to be different against Coventry…well it was different…even worse!
I couldn’t even tell you what our game plan is as club is under him. I’m not sure if we are a possession side, a high pressing side, a counter attacking side?? We literally look a bag of nerves. There’s no spine to the side. There’s a real lack of leaders. We look incredibly unfit. I really could go on. We have conceded 13 goals in 4 games under him. If we get another abject performance against Charlton the ground is going to get poisonous which doesn’t help anyone. And it’s all of our own making. There were so many warning sides in the pre-season games with our performances and continued injury situation. And don’t start me on recruitment.
I agree with this, I said in a previous thread that our new manager might just be too nice and unfortunately he looks lost as does our team. I left the game just before half time never done that before, because of the mess that I was watching in front of me. I actually don't know what I will witness against Charlton next week and probably more worrying is that the manager does not either. I was actually quite jealous of the Coventry supporters as they have now got a team that looks good and they are going places, we are just again in a vortex of inertia.
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 09:00 - Aug 24 with 525 views
We’re all on the outside trying to look in. Taking a step back and looking at this from a common sense human behavioural perspective I suspect:
- CN has sold JS ‘the project’ and I suspect it was a pretty attractive pitch - JS has bought into it - JS, having assessed from inside, has reached the same conclusion as MS - JS has raised concerns but hasn’t been able to move away from the model because it’s too early into his tenure - in public he’s going to toe the party line because (1) that’s what decent people do (MS was pretty diplomatic in public) (2) he’s not going to destroy his relationship with CN by throwing him under the bus. - he made the point, twice, in his post-match interview, pretty clearly, that Charlton will be as VERY different game - he can now go to CN and point, with concrete evidence, to what happens if we keep on down this path. Evolution, not revolution. - he’s in a far stronger position to dictate playing style now because (1) he can walk at this stage without it damaging his CV because he can just say, diplomatically, that things weren’t as he expected (2) CN can’t afford him to walk. The alternative is he keeps playing like this and he carries the can and gets sacked on CN’s terms later in the season. He doesn’t strike me as stupid so will have worked out he’s got nothing to lose in having the conversation, the outcome being either we change style to one that he thinks will work and we start picking up points, or he walks away before any damage is done to his reputation.
If nothing changes against Charlton, I think we have a serious problem. If there are changes we may look back on yesterday as a blessing in disguise that wouldn’t have been if we’d lost 2-0
Edit: if I were JS I’d also be taking the opportunity to have a serious conversation about the medical team
Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 07:55 - Aug 24 by sdm1508
What I am struggling to understand is although yes we are very under cooked and that performance yesterday was shocking. The amount of people on here who seem to think it is ok to mock the manager only 3 games in. OK. We get it. He's French but why already so much hatred and ridicule. We had some pretty awful spells under Marti where the football was dire but I never read him getting so many personal attacks. Ridiculing him purely because of his nationality and what he says. We are all fed up and angry because of the state of the club and this has been going on for many years. He is currently been involved for 3 months of that. To already have like a shrug count is a bit sad really. I mean it's obvious it means he doesn't give a damn and nothing to do with a natural characteristic he has. Maybe time to direct your anger towards the people who deserve it. The owners and the people they have hired over the years in executive positions who have mis managed the club for so long. Reading the stuff on here at the moment it would seem to be Stephans biggest crime for a few, is that he is french
Neither Critchley nor Ainsworth are French and they got dogs abuse for the pisspoor slop they served up. I think our fan base has been unbelievably patient over the last decade. This manager looks hopefully out of his depth and nothing he has said is reassuring. After the debacle at Watford he promised the next game would be different….none of us realised he meant it would be considerably worse! After yesterday’s embarrassment he’s trotted out the same ‘next game will be different’ BS. I cannot see how he survives the shambles we watched at Coventry - you had to be there to see how truly diabolical our football team is. Coventry could’ve scored 10+ if they’d wanted to. I would’ve fired Stephan, Nourry, Williams et al at half time. HTF have our clueless absentee owners inflicted us with these nobody charlatans?
Scooters, Tunes, Trainers and QPR.
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 09:34 - Aug 24 with 386 views
Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 08:13 - Aug 24 by stevec
Ainsworth got the same stick as have many British managers down here so please don’t start that nonsense.
I'll start whatever I want. It's forum where we can give opinions. Couldn't be the same 'stick' as Ainsworth isn't French. Or if he is, hides it very well
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 09:36 - Aug 24 with 378 views
Nourry made a big thing in that he did not appoint Marti. But am I right in saying he might have helped QPR with the process through his previous employers? Anyway, this appointment of Stephan is very much on him. Nourry for his own career needs this to be a success. If he’s having to sack him 2-3 months into the job it will reflect terribly on him. As I’ve said before I don’t doubt Stephan’s credentials but jobs are about timing and I think for where we are in Nourry’s ‘project’ he’s simply not the right person at this stage. The managers that have got the best out of the players and connected with the fans are the ones who understand what we are as a club. Stephan’s vibes and aura don’t reflect someone who knows this league and what we currently need as a club. The naivety of the tactics yesterday off the back of the Watford debacle reaffirmed this to me. All leaders need to show humility at times. Nourry needs to own this one and just apologise to the fans if it goes wrong. I would love for Stephan to succeed but after the start we have had I think we are going to get worse before there’s any positivity and hope around the Bush in the near future. Sad times for the Rs faithful. We literally spend every flaming season hovering around relegation. This year if this shambles continues might be our year to drop sadly.
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 09:37 - Aug 24 with 370 views
Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 09:02 - Aug 24 by Northolt_Rs
Neither Critchley nor Ainsworth are French and they got dogs abuse for the pisspoor slop they served up. I think our fan base has been unbelievably patient over the last decade. This manager looks hopefully out of his depth and nothing he has said is reassuring. After the debacle at Watford he promised the next game would be different….none of us realised he meant it would be considerably worse! After yesterday’s embarrassment he’s trotted out the same ‘next game will be different’ BS. I cannot see how he survives the shambles we watched at Coventry - you had to be there to see how truly diabolical our football team is. Coventry could’ve scored 10+ if they’d wanted to. I would’ve fired Stephan, Nourry, Williams et al at half time. HTF have our clueless absentee owners inflicted us with these nobody charlatans?
I totally get there but my point is this is three games in and it seems that many didn't want to give this guy a chance. Maybe it's because he is a Nourry guy.
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 09:39 - Aug 24 with 358 views
Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 09:39 - Aug 24 by gazza1
I put much of this season's performances down to Team Selection & tactics........surely the manager has a major input into both.
If he is a failure then Nourry has failed.
The thinking at this stage isn't joined up. Stéphan likes hight intensity football with pressing. The team can't do that at the moment due to a lack of fitness. This perceived notion that this approach allows us to hlbe strong at the season. No good if you are already 10 point adrift. The time will tell when everyone is fit and the game plan can be implemented. No game plan can legislate for a lack of effort and players not being able to complete 5 yard passes
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 09:58 - Aug 24 with 251 views
Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 09:37 - Aug 24 by sdm1508
I totally get there but my point is this is three games in and it seems that many didn't want to give this guy a chance. Maybe it's because he is a Nourry guy.
….or maybe the fact we’ve played three games, got a single point from 9 and conceded 10 goals, and watched some of the worst football from a QPR side we’ve ever witnessed (which is some statement!) is making some of us question ‘the project’… Le Shrug looks completely out of his depth.
Scooters, Tunes, Trainers and QPR.
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Le shrug on todays catastrophuck on 10:08 - Aug 24 with 199 views
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