| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 07:29 - Aug 30 with 4601 views | Landore_Jack |
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| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 07:43 - Aug 30 with 4534 views | Whiterockin |
Brendan seems to be souring his legacy here if he stops him coming. Possibly he is under massive pressure after the Champions League exit and a loss to a very poor Rangers would make his position untenable. He could obviously play in Sundays game and still sign, let's hope so. |  | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 08:53 - Aug 30 with 4253 views | sons_of_omri |
I do feel sorry for Vipotnik as he’s a victim of the old regime’s transfer policy - I don’t think they signed him realising he thrives on service we don’t give him (or at least rarely like at Leeds last season) - a through ball for him to run onto.
If he leaves I’ll be wishing him the very best for his future life and career. |  | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 09:01 - Aug 30 with 4188 views | Fireboy2 |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 08:53 - Aug 30 by sons_of_omri |
I do feel sorry for Vipotnik as he’s a victim of the old regime’s transfer policy - I don’t think they signed him realising he thrives on service we don’t give him (or at least rarely like at Leeds last season) - a through ball for him to run onto.
If he leaves I’ll be wishing him the very best for his future life and career. |
I too would wish him the best but no matter what service has been there he has struggled, he just hasn't been on it.
I just hope last Saturdays and Tuesdays goals have given him confidence. |  | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 12:28 - Aug 30 with 3661 views | sons_of_omri |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 09:01 - Aug 30 by Fireboy2 |
I too would wish him the best but no matter what service has been there he has struggled, he just hasn't been on it.
I just hope last Saturdays and Tuesdays goals have given him confidence. |
You don’t think playing the ball around the back and no crosses during Williams’ reign means he wasn’t “on it”?
Give him service he scores. I think most strikers will be down on their heels when the ball is mostly played between the two centre halves and Grimes. No there’s someone i don’t wish well…… | | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 13:14 - Aug 30 with 3561 views | Dr_Winston |
Since we threw off the shackles of Williams I've seen enough in Vipotnik to suggest that given decent service and support he's capable of scoring anything between 10-15 goals a season. A return which would have put him in the upper echelons of the divisional top scorers last year.
Now, is he a brilliant striker? No. There are flaws in his game which is why he's playing for us. Is he better than any of his harshest critics are prepared to admit? Yes. I think that's fairly obvious. Considering his age, potential and the fact that we picked him up on a free we could have done a lot, lot worse.
There's not a chance on Earth that we should be starting games with Cullen up front instead of him. If we do lose him and get stuck with LC as our first reserve striker to whoever we do end up bringing in then we would have weakened our squad. [Post edited 30 Aug 13:18]
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| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 13:53 - Aug 30 with 3468 views | wwcigne |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 13:14 - Aug 30 by Dr_Winston |
Since we threw off the shackles of Williams I've seen enough in Vipotnik to suggest that given decent service and support he's capable of scoring anything between 10-15 goals a season. A return which would have put him in the upper echelons of the divisional top scorers last year.
Now, is he a brilliant striker? No. There are flaws in his game which is why he's playing for us. Is he better than any of his harshest critics are prepared to admit? Yes. I think that's fairly obvious. Considering his age, potential and the fact that we picked him up on a free we could have done a lot, lot worse.
There's not a chance on Earth that we should be starting games with Cullen up front instead of him. If we do lose him and get stuck with LC as our first reserve striker to whoever we do end up bringing in then we would have weakened our squad. [Post edited 30 Aug 13:18]
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Well said , agree with the points you make , I think any striker would have struggled under Williams way of playing.I like Vipotnik and he’s still quite young ,and if he gets the service I’d like to think he’ll find the net more and we now have the players to provide it.Cullen doesn’t get the criticism Vipotnik gets even when he doesn’t play well only because he’s an academy product | | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 14:09 - Aug 30 with 3401 views | Whiterockin |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 13:53 - Aug 30 by wwcigne |
Well said , agree with the points you make , I think any striker would have struggled under Williams way of playing.I like Vipotnik and he’s still quite young ,and if he gets the service I’d like to think he’ll find the net more and we now have the players to provide it.Cullen doesn’t get the criticism Vipotnik gets even when he doesn’t play well only because he’s an academy product |
I think Cullen gets cut more slack because we all know he is not a number 9 and has been played there because he was the best we had available. Vipotnik is getting the role now on merit because he is the best we currently have because of improved performances, still not good but improved. When/if we sign a forward neither Vipotnik or Cullen will start. | | | |
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| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 14:13 - Aug 30 with 3372 views | KeithHaynes |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 14:09 - Aug 30 by Whiterockin |
I think Cullen gets cut more slack because we all know he is not a number 9 and has been played there because he was the best we had available. Vipotnik is getting the role now on merit because he is the best we currently have because of improved performances, still not good but improved. When/if we sign a forward neither Vipotnik or Cullen will start. |
Question you have to ask yourself is with Cullen & Vipotnik as our main goal scorers can this team legitimately challenge for the top six. |  |
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| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 14:19 - Aug 30 with 3336 views | Whiterockin |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 14:13 - Aug 30 by KeithHaynes |
Question you have to ask yourself is with Cullen & Vipotnik as our main goal scorers can this team legitimately challenge for the top six. |
If Vipotnik improves possibly, with Cullen up front I doubt it. We would need to score a lot of goals from midfield and change our system possibly playing with "a false nine". It's immaterial anyway as we are signing a wow forward.  | | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 17:08 - Aug 30 with 3152 views | wwcigne |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 14:19 - Aug 30 by Whiterockin |
If Vipotnik improves possibly, with Cullen up front I doubt it. We would need to score a lot of goals from midfield and change our system possibly playing with "a false nine". It's immaterial anyway as we are signing a wow forward. |
Vipotnik played well today ,scoring and an assist
Galbraith great again,good win | | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 17:14 - Aug 30 with 3120 views | nantywatcher |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 17:08 - Aug 30 by wwcigne |
Vipotnik played well today ,scoring and an assist
Galbraith great again,good win |
There's a whole new dimension to his game this season. One to one coaching?? | | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 17:20 - Aug 30 with 3078 views | RichardO |
Three in three. | | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 17:30 - Aug 30 with 3018 views | Landore_Jack |
He needs to stay and given better service from midfield. | |
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| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 18:07 - Aug 30 with 2901 views | blackswan |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 17:30 - Aug 30 by Landore_Jack |
He needs to stay and given better service from midfield. |
Absolutely instead of bringing two strikers in bringing one and keep zan don't want another gorkeres situation | | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 18:38 - Aug 30 with 2768 views | jack247 |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 17:30 - Aug 30 by Landore_Jack |
He needs to stay and given better service from midfield. |
Don’t quite agree. He has to make intelligent runs and demand the ball like he did today.
It’s no coincidence that the service came as soon as he made it easy for teammates to create chances for him. | | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 19:15 - Aug 30 with 2637 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 13:14 - Aug 30 by Dr_Winston |
Since we threw off the shackles of Williams I've seen enough in Vipotnik to suggest that given decent service and support he's capable of scoring anything between 10-15 goals a season. A return which would have put him in the upper echelons of the divisional top scorers last year.
Now, is he a brilliant striker? No. There are flaws in his game which is why he's playing for us. Is he better than any of his harshest critics are prepared to admit? Yes. I think that's fairly obvious. Considering his age, potential and the fact that we picked him up on a free we could have done a lot, lot worse.
There's not a chance on Earth that we should be starting games with Cullen up front instead of him. If we do lose him and get stuck with LC as our first reserve striker to whoever we do end up bringing in then we would have weakened our squad. [Post edited 30 Aug 13:18]
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Take an up arrow. Fat finger. |  |
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| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 21:56 - Aug 30 with 2383 views | sons_of_omri |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 18:38 - Aug 30 by jack247 |
Don’t quite agree. He has to make intelligent runs and demand the ball like he did today.
It’s no coincidence that the service came as soon as he made it easy for teammates to create chances for him. |
It must be eating you alive (as your comments elude) to see him ramming your words down your throat. And still you won’t give him ANY credit. Pathetic | | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 23:45 - Aug 30 with 2241 views | jack247 |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 21:56 - Aug 30 by sons_of_omri |
It must be eating you alive (as your comments elude) to see him ramming your words down your throat. And still you won’t give him ANY credit. Pathetic |
Jesus Christ. Comment on what I wrote, not what you would have liked me to write .
In that post alone…
He has to make it intelligent runs and demand the ball AS HE DID TODAY
the service came AS SOON AS HE MADE IT EASY FOR TEAMMATES TO CREATE CHANCES FOR HIM
If he plays like he did in the second half, it’s fantastic for us. If he plays like he did in the first, it’s not. Can you not see the correlation between the way he played in the second half and how much easier his teammates found it to pick him out? | | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 08:55 - Aug 31 with 2018 views | Dr_Winston |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 23:45 - Aug 30 by jack247 |
Jesus Christ. Comment on what I wrote, not what you would have liked me to write .
In that post alone…
He has to make it intelligent runs and demand the ball AS HE DID TODAY
the service came AS SOON AS HE MADE IT EASY FOR TEAMMATES TO CREATE CHANCES FOR HIM
If he plays like he did in the second half, it’s fantastic for us. If he plays like he did in the first, it’s not. Can you not see the correlation between the way he played in the second half and how much easier his teammates found it to pick him out? |
I mean, by implying that Vipotnik was responsible for his own lack of service in the first half (such wonderful sway he must have over his team mates who all mostly struggled too) you are kinda making his point for him.
Why not just say he played well and leave it at that? | |
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| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 09:06 - Aug 31 with 1969 views | jack247 |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 08:55 - Aug 31 by Dr_Winston |
I mean, by implying that Vipotnik was responsible for his own lack of service in the first half (such wonderful sway he must have over his team mates who all mostly struggled too) you are kinda making his point for him.
Why not just say he played well and leave it at that? |
He did play well.
Thing is, strikers often are responsible for their own lack of service. The ones that constantly make runs and demand the ball get a lot more service than those that hang around the edge of the box and wait for it to come to them. Surely you can see that?
As an example, using a player we both used to rate really highly, but plenty didn’t get, Routledge used to get more clear shooting chances than nearly anyone. Some put it down to luck. You knew full well it was clever off the ball movement. Different position but same principle.
‘All mostly struggled too’ - can’t agree with that. We were comfortably on top after the first ten minutes or so. | | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 09:11 - Aug 31 with 1939 views | RichardO |
Little things that make a difference against Plymouth Vipotnik went around the keeper from a tight angle tried to get the ball onto his right foot instead of using his left which would have been his best option giving defender time to make the tackle, yesterday he took his best option first time strike with his left. He was in a similar position as yesterday goal in an earlier game this season were he used his left and took a swipe and most missed the ball completely the changed a result of confidence or more care and focus on his part. I don't know but he seems a lot more focused and switched on to what is happening around him, for the most part. [Post edited 31 Aug 9:29]
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| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 09:12 - Aug 31 with 1922 views | Dr_Winston |
The main thing I can see at the moment is that this is just a higher IQ version of one of Perchy's little campaigns.
Nothing he ever does will be good enough for you. You made that clear in the Summer when you starting talking about "all round play" as well as goals, keeping your options open for stuff to criticise him about. He played very well yesterday. Voted MOTM by supporters. Your response? "Yeah, but...".
Maybe you'll get your wish during the International break and he'll move on? | |
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| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 09:22 - Aug 31 with 1851 views | jack247 |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 09:12 - Aug 31 by Dr_Winston |
The main thing I can see at the moment is that this is just a higher IQ version of one of Perchy's little campaigns.
Nothing he ever does will be good enough for you. You made that clear in the Summer when you starting talking about "all round play" as well as goals, keeping your options open for stuff to criticise him about. He played very well yesterday. Voted MOTM by supporters. Your response? "Yeah, but...".
Maybe you'll get your wish during the International break and he'll move on? |
Absolutely not. He’s a Swansea City player. I’d much rather him prove me wrong and have a good season for us than have another season like the last one.
With regard to him moving on, of course if we can replace him with better. Of course not if we can’t. After the last week, the chances of replacing him with better have reduced significantly.
You don’t think ‘all round play’ is inportant? That conversation was along the lines of ‘if he scores 10 instead of 7, but contributes very little else, just like last season, it won’t be good enough, whereas if he scores 10, gets a few assists, imposes himself on centre backs and generally contributes to our build up…it’s a different conversation.
Do you disagree with what I’ve said in the previous post, or are you just changing topic because you’ve realised strikers do have their part to play in getting chances created for them? | | | |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 09:33 - Aug 31 with 1800 views | Dr_Winston |
| Zân Vipotnik Transfer : Our March report on him leaving in the summer seems to on 09:22 - Aug 31 by jack247 |
Absolutely not. He’s a Swansea City player. I’d much rather him prove me wrong and have a good season for us than have another season like the last one.
With regard to him moving on, of course if we can replace him with better. Of course not if we can’t. After the last week, the chances of replacing him with better have reduced significantly.
You don’t think ‘all round play’ is inportant? That conversation was along the lines of ‘if he scores 10 instead of 7, but contributes very little else, just like last season, it won’t be good enough, whereas if he scores 10, gets a few assists, imposes himself on centre backs and generally contributes to our build up…it’s a different conversation.
Do you disagree with what I’ve said in the previous post, or are you just changing topic because you’ve realised strikers do have their part to play in getting chances created for them? |
Do you agree that the rest of the team has a part to play in assisting the strikers also or will you continue to insist that Vipotnik is soley responsible for the service he gets?
"the service came AS SOON AS HE MADE IT EASY FOR TEAMMATES TO CREATE CHANCES FOR HIM"
Nothing to do with the other ten players on the pitch. All his fault. His alone.
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