| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:25 - Sep 11 with 552 views | Boundy |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:16 - Sep 11 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I'm afraid I don't understand the rush by some to discredit a man who was assassinated less than 24 hours ago! |
Because that's what the left wing ,woke , uneducated , down right evil do , the ones who scream brutality unless its them providing it, the ones who demand everyone listen to what they have to say but deny others the same right, the ones who say don't do that but do it themselves. The world is a sick place and maybe it should come to its end because there's no going back from where we are now. |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:26 - Sep 11 with 547 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:20 - Sep 11 by Boundy |
This country or its citizens have no right to claim the moral high ground when it comes to protecting its children . |
If we had a referendum tomorrow on cutting immigration numbers the result would be massively overwhelming. It would probably be in the 80-90% range. The people of this country aren’t responsible for what the government does, especially when every government for the last 20 years plus has pledged to cut numbers and deal with the issue when campaigning for votes. |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:30 - Sep 11 with 533 views | Gwyn737 |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:16 - Sep 11 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I'm afraid I don't understand the rush by some to discredit a man who was assassinated less than 24 hours ago! |
And the rush to call for vengence and apportion blame when as yet we don't know? | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:31 - Sep 11 with 528 views | Boundy |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:26 - Sep 11 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
If we had a referendum tomorrow on cutting immigration numbers the result would be massively overwhelming. It would probably be in the 80-90% range. The people of this country aren’t responsible for what the government does, especially when every government for the last 20 years plus has pledged to cut numbers and deal with the issue when campaigning for votes. |
"The people of this country aren’t responsible for what the government does," I agree but the people are to blame for voting the same useless bunch of self serving b******s back into power , just look at Wales and its Nation of Sanctuary policy , people say well I never wanted this , but you did, you put a cross in the box against some purpled haired freaks name and in doing so gave them carte blanche to do what the fug they wanted. | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:34 - Sep 11 with 511 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:30 - Sep 11 by Gwyn737 |
And the rush to call for vengence and apportion blame when as yet we don't know? |
Equally disrespectful. |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:38 - Sep 11 with 503 views | Gwyn737 |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:20 - Sep 11 by Boundy |
This country or its citizens have no right to claim the moral high ground when it comes to protecting its children . |
Of course we have our issues but it's much safer to be a child in the UK that the US.
Just because we're not perfect doesn't mean they can't learn from us. I'm not just talking about guns. We have:
- Lower infant mortality
- Safer roads
- Lower child poverty (of course we're rubbish in this area with more childrenin poverty than pensioners)
Would you rather the children in your family go to school here or there?
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:40 - Sep 11 with 493 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:31 - Sep 11 by Boundy |
"The people of this country aren’t responsible for what the government does," I agree but the people are to blame for voting the same useless bunch of self serving b******s back into power , just look at Wales and its Nation of Sanctuary policy , people say well I never wanted this , but you did, you put a cross in the box against some purpled haired freaks name and in doing so gave them carte blanche to do what the fug they wanted. |
Immigration isn’t a devolved issue though so the Welsh assembly has no right or power to concoct such a policy in the first place. Blair, Brown, Cameron, May, Boris, Starmer all campaigned to deal with the issue and cut the numbers to “tens of thousands”. Once they got those votes they carried on regardless and let the issue spiral out of control.
They all said they were going to deal with it but didn’t.
That is why the trust is gone. That is why the keys are inevitably going to be handed over to Nigel Farage and Reform. | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:43 - Sep 11 with 482 views | Whiterockin |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:38 - Sep 11 by Gwyn737 |
Of course we have our issues but it's much safer to be a child in the UK that the US.
Just because we're not perfect doesn't mean they can't learn from us. I'm not just talking about guns. We have:
- Lower infant mortality
- Safer roads
- Lower child poverty (of course we're rubbish in this area with more childrenin poverty than pensioners)
Would you rather the children in your family go to school here or there?
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Just because its currently safer here it doesn't mean it will be in the future. We have every reason to be concerned with the direction the country is heading and look to change it. |  | | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:47 - Sep 11 with 455 views | Gwyn737 |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:43 - Sep 11 by Whiterockin |
Just because its currently safer here it doesn't mean it will be in the future. We have every reason to be concerned with the direction the country is heading and look to change it. |
I agree and we can learn from others how to do this.
At the moment, the US can specifically learn from us on how to keep educational establishments safer.
That’s all I was saying. | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:49 - Sep 11 with 447 views | Gwyn737 |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:25 - Sep 11 by Boundy |
Because that's what the left wing ,woke , uneducated , down right evil do , the ones who scream brutality unless its them providing it, the ones who demand everyone listen to what they have to say but deny others the same right, the ones who say don't do that but do it themselves. The world is a sick place and maybe it should come to its end because there's no going back from where we are now. |
This is not about sides, it’s about extremists.
The far left and right practically touch at the ends of the horseshoe. | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:52 - Sep 11 with 441 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:47 - Sep 11 by Gwyn737 |
I agree and we can learn from others how to do this.
At the moment, the US can specifically learn from us on how to keep educational establishments safer.
That’s all I was saying. |
You can have all the security you want but if some nutcase wants to rampage around with a gun then there’s little stopping it in reality. And the ease these nutcases can tool themselves up is shocking really. | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:58 - Sep 11 with 415 views | Boundy |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:38 - Sep 11 by Gwyn737 |
Of course we have our issues but it's much safer to be a child in the UK that the US.
Just because we're not perfect doesn't mean they can't learn from us. I'm not just talking about guns. We have:
- Lower infant mortality
- Safer roads
- Lower child poverty (of course we're rubbish in this area with more childrenin poverty than pensioners)
Would you rather the children in your family go to school here or there?
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We have a lower population , our history or country doesn't have the same constitution created when settlers were being attacked by the indigenous population or where vast swathes of the country had no definable law or personnel to uphold a law if there was one. I'm not defending the Americans but its their country and to think we have something to teach another nation is to me ironic when the UKs trying to forget its imperial past.
No child should die, of anything, but they do, of many causes and the fact that out of all deaths by shooting its 1% of that number which are children all of which are tragic of that there's no doubt but my point still stands that we can't seemingly protect our own when it should be a given that we can and should. | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:58 - Sep 11 with 415 views | theloneranger |
As of 10th September 2025 - there have been 47 school shootings in the US this year - where at least 1 person has been shot!! |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:02 - Sep 11 with 402 views | Gwyn737 |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:52 - Sep 11 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
You can have all the security you want but if some nutcase wants to rampage around with a gun then there’s little stopping it in reality. And the ease these nutcases can tool themselves up is shocking really. |
And they have guns to help them which was really my point. | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:03 - Sep 11 with 391 views | Gwyn737 |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:58 - Sep 11 by theloneranger |
As of 10th September 2025 - there have been 47 school shootings in the US this year - where at least 1 person has been shot!! |
It's so regular it feels like it's reached a level of acceptance there. A price worth paying.
To most of us over here it's insane. | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:04 - Sep 11 with 383 views | Gwyn737 |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:58 - Sep 11 by Boundy |
We have a lower population , our history or country doesn't have the same constitution created when settlers were being attacked by the indigenous population or where vast swathes of the country had no definable law or personnel to uphold a law if there was one. I'm not defending the Americans but its their country and to think we have something to teach another nation is to me ironic when the UKs trying to forget its imperial past.
No child should die, of anything, but they do, of many causes and the fact that out of all deaths by shooting its 1% of that number which are children all of which are tragic of that there's no doubt but my point still stands that we can't seemingly protect our own when it should be a given that we can and should. |
Who should we learn from? | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:08 - Sep 11 with 369 views | Boundy |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 11:49 - Sep 11 by Gwyn737 |
This is not about sides, it’s about extremists.
The far left and right practically touch at the ends of the horseshoe. |
It was an extreme action, killing someone always is so that's a given and I agree both sides are more than capable but in this case who would you think ( having some knowledge about Mr Kirks politics) do you think would want to kill him . | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:23 - Sep 11 with 332 views | Boundy |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:04 - Sep 11 by Gwyn737 |
Who should we learn from? |
If you are referring to our kids ,then go back its not difficult
If you're referring to our kids then ourselves , you don't need to find validation from another country to know that mass sexual exploitation of children is wrong , to know that the Police should abide by their oath ,that the law should protect the weak and vulnerable. We should and did know all those things but they've been lost because of many ideologies driven by who knows and for what which has allowed the UKs standards in all aspects of life to have fallen off a cliff.
We can all learn from each other including other nations of course but we don't live in an ideal world I'm afraid IMO | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:25 - Sep 11 with 328 views | Gwyn737 |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:23 - Sep 11 by Boundy |
If you are referring to our kids ,then go back its not difficult
If you're referring to our kids then ourselves , you don't need to find validation from another country to know that mass sexual exploitation of children is wrong , to know that the Police should abide by their oath ,that the law should protect the weak and vulnerable. We should and did know all those things but they've been lost because of many ideologies driven by who knows and for what which has allowed the UKs standards in all aspects of life to have fallen off a cliff.
We can all learn from each other including other nations of course but we don't live in an ideal world I'm afraid IMO |
That was sort of my point. I wasn't saying we're an ideal - no-one is., just that the US could learn from gun contol in this country to make their young people safer.
It's safer to be a child here than it is over there, on the whole. | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:27 - Sep 11 with 327 views | DJack |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:08 - Sep 11 by Boundy |
It was an extreme action, killing someone always is so that's a given and I agree both sides are more than capable but in this case who would you think ( having some knowledge about Mr Kirks politics) do you think would want to kill him . |
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/10/who-is-charlie-kirk-profile
Given the list in the above article i say a whole boatload of people/groups might want him gone.
Maybe he was going to release the unredacted Epstein files.🤐
Edit as autocorrect kicked in ...incorrectly. [Post edited 11 Sep 12:28]
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:55 - Sep 11 with 273 views | Gwyn737 |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:08 - Sep 11 by Boundy |
It was an extreme action, killing someone always is so that's a given and I agree both sides are more than capable but in this case who would you think ( having some knowledge about Mr Kirks politics) do you think would want to kill him . |
I really don't know.
When I first saw the video I assumed it was a trained marksman but I suppose in a country with so many firearms, training to kill someone from distance is pretty easy. | | | |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 13:17 - Sep 11 with 219 views | onehunglow |
Safer here?
Depends where
I’d suggest many of our multi cultural large cities are simmering cess pits where Police are politically terrified to do what they are paid to do
They don’t
We need to wake up
As regards US , well the downside of the right to bear arms is there’s more guns around and more nutters
They have not learnt anything
Or they simply don’t have the guts to address the gun lobby | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 13:56 - Sep 11 with 164 views | Demitrius |
I don't know if any of you follow a young lad on X/Twitter called Charlie Simpson an aspiring political journo, but he's said on there today that his schoolteacher on the Kirk shooting said to the class:
"He wasn't a tolerant individual. At the end of the day, if you live by the sword, you might as well be killed by the sword."
I find that reprehensible on many levels and yet again I stand by my comments of a few weeks back about teachers.
There's a Guardian editorial with similar sentiments and very little in the way of outrage, but then you expect it from that one-eyed rag. |  |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 14:02 - Sep 11 with 149 views | Boundy |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:55 - Sep 11 by Gwyn737 |
I really don't know.
When I first saw the video I assumed it was a trained marksman but I suppose in a country with so many firearms, training to kill someone from distance is pretty easy. |
IMO anyone who wants to kill someone with a firearm at the distance being quoted won't be aiming for the neck ,head probably/possibly , chest definitely.
Its claimed the shooter was also above Mr Kirk so not an easy target, so my opinion is that Mr Kirk was unlucky as was someone I knew , a friend who was shot in the neck in Belfast ,bled out on the street with no chance of saving his life ,the shooter in this incident claims he wasn't aiming for my mate but was scared when he saw the patrol arrive to investigate an ongoing Post Office robbery and just fired his weapon. A couple of millimetres to right and he'd have missed. | |
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| Charlie Kirk shot. on 14:23 - Sep 11 with 96 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Charlie Kirk shot. on 12:55 - Sep 11 by Gwyn737 |
I really don't know.
When I first saw the video I assumed it was a trained marksman but I suppose in a country with so many firearms, training to kill someone from distance is pretty easy. |
It’s not just the shot though. It’s also that this person has snuck in, climbed to the top of a very tall building, done the job efficiently and slunk back out again seemingly unnoticed. To be able to do this you need to be either very skilled or very lucky.
Just looking from the outside I’d be surprised if he/she didn’t have people helping them too. | |
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